Guns and Ammo Thread

[Couchlockd]

Question

What is everyone's favorite ammo like bullet design for carrying a pistol an automatic specifically

I love the Winchester Ranger Black Talon PDX1 bullet design I keep all the bullets of that design in every single gun I own my second-favorite is Hornady FTX

No I'm not talkin loadings I'm talking actual projectiles

Let's hear it..

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Any good places for sub sonic ammo?

Engel Ballistic Research

Question

What is everyone's favorite ammo like bullet design for carrying a pistol an automatic specifically

I love the Winchester Ranger Black Talon PDX1 bullet design I keep all the bullets of that design in every single gun I own my second-favorite is Hornady FTX

No I'm not talkin loadings I'm talking actual projectiles

Let's hear it..

That's one subject I gladly give the nod to Dr Gary K Roberts on. Doc Roberts is an assistant professor at Stanford University, an oral surgeon, a certified armorer and a retired a Lieutenant Commander in the Naval Reserves (same as a Major in the Army) who specializes in analysis of real-world terminal ballistics. He also has done terminal ballistic and cartridge effectiveness studies for both civilian LEAs amd the military. He has a list of recommended duty loads that he maintains on several firearm, law enforcement and tactical websites under the screen name of DocGKR. And he uses his combination of military and medical credentials to get access to autopsy and emergency room reports from both the civilian and military communities and uses that information to determine a particular bullet's suitability to the list.

He breaks down the list by factory loads but it's not the load so much that counts as the bullet itself, so he also includes the specific bullet used by each load. I think now he automatically adds any bullet that passes the FBI's new 6-protocol approval test but they're still subject to removal if they don't prove effective in the field. I hand load most of my stuff, so that's how I use his information, a guidance in bullets to use for HD/SD loads.

I don't know of anyone else who comes anywhere close to having that breadth of access to information plus the experience and education to know what to do with it as Doc Roberts, and on top of that he shares it freely on the Interwebs.

Here's his list at AR15.com. It hasn't been updated in a couple of years now, which I take to mean there hasn't been any significant new information since then.

Winchester Ranger and Speer Gold Dots show up repeatedly in all the calibers he considers so they both look like safe bets. That's why I load more Gold Dots than anything else (but I've got several 10mm magazines laying around that are stuffed with Black Talons).

[Couchlockd]

Engel Ballistic Research


That's one subject I gladly give the nod to Dr Gary K Roberts on. Doc Roberts is an assistant professor at Stanford University, an oral surgeon, a certified armorer and a retired a Lieutenant Commander in the Naval Reserves (same as a Major in the Army) who specializes in analysis of real-world terminal ballistics. He also has done terminal ballistic and cartridge effectiveness studies for both civilian LEAs amd the military. He has a list of recommended duty loads that he maintains on several firearm, law enforcement and tactical websites under the screen name of DocGKR. And he uses his combination of military and medical credentials to get access to autopsy and emergency room reports from both the civilian and military communities and uses that information to determine a particular bullet's suitability to the list.

He breaks down the list by factory loads but it's not the load so much that counts as the bullet itself, so he also includes the specific bullet used by each load. I think now he automatically adds any bullet that passes the FBI's new 6-protocol approval test but they're still subject to removal if they don't prove effective in the field. I hand load most of my stuff, so that's how I use his information, a guidance in bullets to use for HD/SD loads.

I don't know of anyone else who comes anywhere close to having that breadth of access to information plus the experience and education to know what to do with it as Doc Roberts, and on top of that he shares it freely on the Interwebs.

Here's his list at AR15.com. It hasn't been updated in a couple of years now, which I take to mean there hasn't been any significant new information since then.

Winchester Ranger and Speer Gold Dots show up repeatedly in all the calibers he considers so they both look like safe bets. That's why I load more Gold Dots than anything else (but I've got several 10mm magazines laying around that are stuffed with Black Talons).

That's why I like the new talon the "PDX 1"

Black talon is unbonded
Ranger t is unbonded talon sans lubalox coating.
Pdx1 is bonded ranger.

I've played with jugs and plywood. The pdx1 8 out of 10 times expands , few times it plugged up.

The Hydra shok (not HST) IMHO, sucks.

The ftx, well never seen it not expand.

This was all done with a 3.5" 45 acp millennium pro. So everything was subsonic leaving that tube..

Pdx won in my crude fun tests.

[almostgone]

Question

What is everyone's favorite ammo like bullet design for carrying a pistol an automatic specifically

I love the Winchester Ranger Black Talon PDX1 bullet design I keep all the bullets of that design in every single gun I own my second-favorite is Hornady FTX

No I'm not talkin loadings I'm talking actual projectiles

Let's hear it..

For rolling my own, Speer Gold Dots and Hornady XTPs work well for me.

If for some reason I purchase off the shelf (rarely), Magtech First Defense CDHP and surprisingly, the PMC Starfires perform decently.

Edit: I was given a box of Hornady Personal Defense... horrible performance, IMHO.

[Ernst]

Question

What is everyone's favorite ammo like bullet design for carrying a pistol an automatic specifically

I love the Winchester Ranger Black Talon PDX1 bullet design I keep all the bullets of that design in every single gun I own my second-favorite is Hornady FTX

No I'm not talkin loadings I'm talking actual projectiles

Let's hear it..

Our his and hers Glock 19s are loaded with Federal HST 147gr. Speer Gold Dots are also excellent. I'm still fond of Hornady XTP bullets, though I think they are generally outclassed by more modern bullet designs.