I'm with you Duke. I cant see the need for jumping into 2 or 3 grams of gear right out of the gate. That would drive me nuts. This is a solid cycle, you can add in a touch more test or tren if you wish, and maybe toss in a T3 or clen if you are feeling frisky and got a decent amount of bad you want to drop. Gotta get good results outta less gear before you start gettin into massive amounts of gear