Gearheaded’s crazy EXPERIMENTS log

[GearHeaded]

What does your anxiety feel like?
Do you also get paranoia on these doses?

claustrophobia, restlessness, feeling smothered (like I can't breath), on edge, dissociation with reality (ie, uneasy about the fact I'm existing on a giant ball of dirt suspended in outer space spinning around at a thousand miles an hour). things like that

[EDCG19]

claustrophobia, restlessness, feeling smothered (like I can't breath), on edge, dissociation with reality (ie, uneasy about the fact I'm existing on a giant ball of dirt suspended in outer space spinning around at a thousand miles an hour). things like that

What do you mean dissociation with reality? I thought I was the only one

Do you think its because of AAS use??

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[GearHeaded]

What do you mean dissociation with reality? I thought I was the only one

Do you think its because of AAS use??

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I consider this side effect normal and to be expected for 'me'. it will subside in a week or so.
its the high levels of androgens . my androgen rating on this last blast was 7,500 (thats 15 times higher then a basic test only cycle). causing a strong over stimulation of the CNS (and don't forget we got tons of androgen receptors in the brain).
a similar type of thing can happen with other drugs or when coming down or going through withdrawal symptoms of alcohol even.

when on such a heavy androgen cycle the only time I feel 'normal' is when I'm in the gym.. the time I feel the most non normal is laying in bed trying to relax or go to sleep.. everything is just over stimulated.

its a temporary discomfort and simply part of the process (if your going to mess with high dosages). if you have awesome genetics and you can get by running very low dosages, then you may never experience the over stimultion sides that come with high dosages of AAS

[charger69]

claustrophobia, restlessness, feeling smothered (like I can't breath), on edge, dissociation with reality (ie, uneasy about the fact I'm existing on a giant ball of dirt suspended in outer space spinning around at a thousand miles an hour). things like that

Sort of like tren. LOL


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[Charlie67]

.... (ie, uneasy about the fact I'm existing on a giant ball of dirt suspended in outer space spinning around at a thousand miles an hour)

Well, when thinking about things that might make you anxious, I must admit I didn't see that one coming, lol.

I'm running more gear than I've ever run in my life.... And I'm still only at a gram, so it's insignificant by many standards.... The only side effect I'm having is that anything even remotely emotional makes my eyes water. Commercials, movies, music... It's ridiculous and embarrassing.

[charger69]

Well, when thinking about things that might make you anxious, I must admit I didn't see that one coming, lol.

I'm running more gear than I've ever run in my life.... And I'm still only at a gram, so it's insignificant by many standards.... The only side effect I'm having is that anything even remotely emotional makes my eyes water. Commercials, movies, music... It's ridiculous and embarrassing.

Estrogen my friend!


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[EDCG19]

Well, when thinking about things that might make you anxious, I must admit I didn't see that one coming, lol.

I'm running more gear than I've ever run in my life.... And I'm still only at a gram, so it's insignificant by many standards.... The only side effect I'm having is that anything even remotely emotional makes my eyes water. Commercials, movies, music... It's ridiculous and embarrassing.

Yea, I've been there. Somehow I enjoy that experience and I find it good to know sometimes I still have emotions

[Charlie67]

Estrogen my friend!


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Yeah, that's my thinking too... I get blood work in about a week. I'm trying to let it run a little high to see what sides I might have.

(Gearheaded, close your eyes for this brother
I'm not running nolva, only .25mg 3 x's wk of adex so my E should be high but not crazy. If being a bit emotional is the worst of it, the benefits may be worth it, I feel great!

For whatever reason, I've been reluctant to try running just Nolva to control sides, and letting my E get high.... It's probably just my history of always believing I must keep my E within normal blood range, it's been hard for me to let that idea go. I did try that last year, but to be honest, my diet sucked, my training sucked, and I didn't really give it a fair chance. When my bloodwork had my E in the 80's at only 500Test/wk, I gave in and started some Adex.

This current cycle is a bit more thoughtful.

Side note: Why is Aromasin so freaking expensive? I'd rather run that than adex, but dang it's pricey.

[Charlie67]

Yea, I've been there. Somehow I enjoy that experience and I find it good to know sometimes I still have emotions

I don't mind it when I'm alone.... I took my three daughters to a Christmas concert that had a children's choir singing this emotional version of this Christmas mashup, but then it blended into this rock anthem with full on marching band drum-lines and these crazy solos by these kids... My eyes watered like mad.

[GearHeaded]

UPDATE-
so I decided that switching over to cruising on trt dose of test for a few weeks is going to be quite boring. not much of an 'experiment' in doing that , we all know how that goes.
So I'm going to cruise on 350mg of Primo per week. will see how that maintains me and my current weight and physique (I'll either go no test at all, or just 100mg per week to maintain some test function)

[kelkel]

100 mgs per week.

[Proximal]

claustrophobia, restlessness, feeling smothered (like I can't breath), on edge, dissociation with reality (ie, uneasy about the fact I'm existing on a giant ball of dirt suspended in outer space spinning around at a thousand miles an hour). things like that

I applaud the fact that you can even remotely get through the day & not freak out everyone around you. How do you do it?

[GearHeaded]

100 mgs per week.

yeah , well you probably think with my craziness that I'm either missing a few zeros here , or that I mean 100mg per hour. but yeah 100mg per week is all (or no test at all).

the reason I would go so low is to have a short phase with no estrogen or dht conversion. the primo is mainly just a pure anabolic so I don't need any test to hold on to muscle tissue. so this short cruise would be a 'clean out' phase where I go low estrogen and low androgens (I really don't need any test in there to give me estrogen or androgens at this point).

[GearHeaded]

I applaud the fact that you can even remotely get through the day & not freak out everyone around you. How do you do it?

requires a lot of mental will power and focus.. but basically if I can occupy my mind with things that I'm passionate about (like if I'm in an intense training session or training a client) and stay busy with that then it doesn't bother me. the problem is when the day is over and its time to unwind and relax or go to sleep that the anxiety really ramps up (because I'm not occupied with other things)

[Narkissos]

I know I'm late to the party but:

My current insulin and GH protocol
10iu Novalin R upon waking - with 30g whey isolate and 30-40 carbs
10iu Novalin R preworkout - with my intra workout shake
15iu Novalin R post workout - 50g whey isolate and 50-70g carbs

Came off of HGH a few weeks ago. Taking MK677 25mg a night at the moment. YES I like to come off HGH on occasions and use either GHRPs or secretagogues to get natty pulses going for a time.

I fucking love this.

Also:

T4 - 125mcg per day

I also love that you use t4. It's brilliant in a hypercaloric environment. Covers all your bases.

I'm planning a similar protocol. Humulin-R + Humulin-N (or lantus), t4, BPC-157 (if I can get ahold of it), metformin, DHEA, pregnenolone at base... other stuff as the year progresses.

Good log.

[kelkel]

Nark is shipping an issue for you with BPC-157?

[Narkissos]

What about working out 3x day for a max of 30-40 minutes each. A different muscle group each session. Go in and kill the muscle. Limit the rest time. I was in my 20’s and this routine is what started me growing. I would do it if I had time, just to see.


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That's how I trained for most of last year. 8-10 week cycles of 2-3 times per day... followed by 2 weeks of active rest.

Not gonna lie... it worked.

[charger69]

the problem is when the day is over and its time to unwind and relax or go to sleep that the anxiety really ramps up (because I'm not occupied with other things)

I guess I’ll have to have a chat with Mrs. GH. LOL


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[Narkissos]

Nark is shipping an issue for you with BPC-157?

Shipping is a problem for me, with all compounds.

Sad but true.

[GearHeaded]

I guess I’ll have to have a chat with Mrs. GH. LOL

I was on a gram of Tren .. please don't talk her into wanting to get my heart rate up and out of breath again

[Narkissos]

if it wasn't for Insulin (endogenous) we wouldn't be able to build muscle. we could take all the tren in the world and still wouldn't build muscle without insulin. insulin is the 'key' that unlocks muscle cells and Fr allows them to receive glycogen, amino acids, nutrients, and everything else needed to build muscle.

Facts.
Exogenous use has application even whilst cutting.

Nutrient partitioning. Accelerated Ketosis (for those who subscribe that sort of dieting). More lean tissue retention (via better-timed nutrient partitioning, cortisol suppression, and igf-1 receptor stimulation).

Insulin has always been my top 3 favourite compounds.

Period.

[GearHeaded]

Facts.
Exogenous use has application even whilst cutting.

Nutrient partitioning. Accelerated Ketosis (for those who subscribe that sort of dieting). More lean tissue retention (via better-timed nutrient partitioning, cortisol suppression, and igf-1 receptor stimulation).

Insulin has always been my top 3 favourite compounds.

Period.

fasted cardio with 3iu of insulin, 10mg yohimbe, 2iu HGH (or 500mcg hgh-frag), has always been something I've promoted for fat loss (or modifications similar), and people seem to get confused as to why the insulin is in there for a fat loss protocol. well as you mention there are plenty of reasons

[Narkissos]

Facts.
Exogenous use has application even whilst cutting.

Nutrient partitioning. Accelerated Ketosis (for those who subscribe that sort of dieting). More lean tissue retention (via better-timed nutrient partitioning, cortisol suppression, and igf-1 receptor stimulation).

Insulin has always been my top 3 favourite compounds.

Period.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22420005

You can dig deeper into this. May affect/enhance the way you apply and stack peptides.

You're doing an awesome job as is though.
Great log.

[GearHeaded]

just to throw a couple more out there . increased conversion of T4 into T3 by the liver (i.e, increased metabolic rate), raising of free testosterone

[Narkissos]

fasted cardio with 3iu of insulin, 10mg yohimbe, 2iu HGH (or 500mcg hgh-frag), has always been something I've promoted for fat loss (or modifications similar), and people seem to get confused as to why the insulin is in there for a fat loss protocol. well as you mention there are plenty of reasons

You are right.
Ignore my previous post.
You're ballsdeep in the underbelly of hormone manipulation.
I'm super-excited to see what else your logs bring. My brain is itching

[Narkissos]

just to throw a couple more out there . increased conversion of T4 into T3 by the liver (i.e, increased metabolic rate), raising of free testosterone

Agreed... which is another reason I like that you stacked t4 in a hypercaloric state, coupled with exogenous insulin.

Also: insulin = reduced SHBG synthesis... So, gear has a bigger impact.

*brain itch*

[GearHeaded]

Ok guys. so here is the plan for my "off cycle" cruise which will be starting up any day now as the Tren ace clears

anti- estrogen phase (for 2 weeks only)
- Aromasin 15mg EOD
- Arimistane 50mg per day

AAS
- test e 100mg per week
- primobolan 350mg per week

Growth factors
- Hexarelin 200mcg AM
- MK677 25mg before bed
- Insulin 15iu post workout

Anti Cortisol upon waking up in the AM
- 5-10iu insulin
- 10mg Tbol


note: the reason I have an anti estrogen phase, which is great for someone before going into PCT, even though I don't pct and just 'crusie' is because I treat Estrogen like an anabolic. when I'm blasting I'm up regulating estrogen to high levels, just like I am androgens. but when I'm coming 'off' I want to down regulate estrogen (just like I'm down regulating my androgens).. if I'm coming "off" , then that means I need to come off of elevated estrogen levels too. again I treat estrogen like its an anabolic just like all the other anabolic hormones I run.

[GearHeaded]

I had originally planned on running Stenbolone at this point. but thats a new compound for me to try out, and I really want to run it when I'm more 'fresh' to give it a fair chance rather then running it at the tail end of a fairly heavy blast

[kelkel]

You think 10 mgs Tbol is enough for your purpose of blocking cortisol on it's own or is your thought process that it's a group effort?

[GearHeaded]

You think 10 mgs Tbol is enough for your purpose of blocking cortisol on it's own or is your thought process that it's a group effort?

no not really. if I really wanted to block cortisol all together I'd probably forget 10mg of Tbol and be doing 50mg of Winstrol along side Cytradren. but that would be more a contest prep approach , and I'm really just coming off of things and 'cruising' and don't want to go to that level right now.

BUT, my wife is running Var now, and she has a bit of Tbol left over so I'm going to run that at 10mg every morning with the 5-10iu of Slin. and those two together should have a pretty good cortisol 'blunting' effect at least.
at this point, I'm more after 'anti catabolism' then I'm necessarily after anabolism (lack of sleep and some stress, so I'm sure cortisol is way up there right now).

[kelkel]

BUT, my wife is running Var now, and she has a bit of Tbol left over so I'm going to run that at 10mg every morning with the 5-10iu of

Damn that line made me laugh. First thought was "she's not getting over on me, I'll one up her"!

[GearHeaded]

Damn that line made me laugh. First thought was "she's not getting over on me, I'll one up her"!

lol . she will never out steroid dose me!

theres like 20 tbol pills left over from her cycle.. figured I'd just pop 10mg upon waking with the insulin , use them up (I can't have any left over steroids just sitting around)

[GearHeaded]

FYI guys .

just to show how slow going things can be even with aggressive protocols.. . I've only put on about 5 pounds since starting this log (I may be a bit leaner though).

However, I still expect some residual gains to keep coming from the things I have done during this log. its not like you run a cycle and then suddenly everything stops the minute you come off. the muscle building process takes a good 8+ weeks. things I did yesterday may not be actualized until sometime in February (ie, at the tissue building level at least)

I'll scratch and claw for every 5 pounds of muscle I can get though thats for sure

[kelkel]

lol . she will never out steroid dose me!

theres like 20 tbol pills left over from her cycle..

Hopefully she's not counting....

[GearHeaded]

heres my current split

1. Legs - quad dominant
2. Back (and traps) - row focus - biceps
3. Chest and shoulders - isolation focus
4. Arms
5. Legs - hamstring dominant
6. Chest - push focus
7. Back (and traps) - pull down focus
8. Arms
9. Touch up work - chest, lats, forearms

9 Total workouts and then repeat.. rest days taken on occasion when needed. these workouts will get done in close to a weeks time as I do two a days a couple times a week (eg., workouts 3 and 4 may get done on the same day, as will 7 and 8).
Cardio - 4 times per week. 45-60 mins steady state on treadmill.

weak body parts I'm trying to bring up , biceps and chest. strong body parts I don't need a lot of focus on , shoulders and triceps (thats the reason for no dedicated shoulder day in this split)

[charger69]

heres my current split

1. Legs - quad dominant
2. Back (and traps) - row focus - biceps
3. Chest and shoulders - isolation focus
4. Arms
5. Legs - hamstring dominant
6. Chest - push focus
7. Back (and traps) - pull down focus
8. Arms
9. Touch up work - chest, lats, forearms

9 Total workouts and then repeat.. rest days taken on occasion when needed. these workouts will get done in close to a weeks time as I do two a days a couple times a week (eg., workouts 3 and 4 may get done on the same day, as will 7 and 8).
Cardio - 4 times per week. 45-60 mins steady state on treadmill.

weak body parts I'm trying to bring up , biceps and chest. strong body parts I don't need a lot of focus on , shoulders and triceps (thats the reason for no dedicated shoulder day in this split)

Why not HIIT to cut down the time?
I used to do SS for the same amount of time 5 days per week and I found that I was slowing down the leg decelopement.


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[GearHeaded]

Why not HIIT to cut down the time?
I used to do SS for the same amount of time 5 days per week and I found that I was slowing down the leg decelopement.

that works for a lot of people .. for me though for whatever reason HIIT is very glycolytic (works great if I'm trying to get depleted though). when I do steady state cardio I stay lean without going so flat everywhere else.
so HIIT must put me in more of a calorie deficit and get my metabolism rolling a lot faster then SS does

plus, working in and owning a gym, I like to just do steady state as a time to check emails and things like that (where when I do HIIT or I weight train I can only focus on the training itself).

[GearHeaded]

heres what my leg day looked like yesterday

Belted squat machine
3 sets 20 reps
add weight
3 sets 15 reps
add weight
3 sets 12 reps

smith machine front squats
6 sets 6 reps

leg extensions
5 sets 10 reps with isometric hold
3 sets 6 reps heavy

standing hamstring curls
4 sets 20 reps

standing calve raises - 5 sets 25 reps
leg press calve raises - 5 sets 15 reps

[KennyJ]

I consider this side effect normal and to be expected for 'me'. it will subside in a week or so.
its the high levels of androgens . my androgen rating on this last blast was 7,500 (thats 15 times higher then a basic test only cycle). causing a strong over stimulation of the CNS (and don't forget we got tons of androgen receptors in the brain).
a similar type of thing can happen with other drugs or when coming down or going through withdrawal symptoms of alcohol even.

when on such a heavy androgen cycle the only time I feel 'normal' is when I'm in the gym.. the time I feel the most non normal is laying in bed trying to relax or go to sleep.. everything is just over stimulated.

its a temporary discomfort and simply part of the process (if your going to mess with high dosages). if you have awesome genetics and you can get by running very low dosages, then you may never experience the over stimultion sides that come with high dosages of AAS

I’m only running Test but as you explained to me before that I’m in a hormonal flux from not running a cycle in years but I can relate to the fact that I feel normal in the gym, stamina is through the roof but out of the gym I haven’t felt normal in a while but it does seem to be subsiding as you said it would. I haven’t slept a full night in a while but it’s getting better. You helped me with my CNS just by explaining exactly how I felt and it’s getting better slowly. I really appreciate all of your posts. I just wish I could remember everything you post lol.

[KennyJ]

I did when on high tren. Tren would have me on the high side.
I could feel it in the cardio.


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Sorry GH I’m definitely not trying to hijack your thread.
Charger, do you ever take anything to thin your blood when running a compound that thickens it?
Anyone else who does, what do you take to thin your blood some?