Minimum effective dose

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to further explain ... "Dosages" themselves are what makes the characteristics of a drug .

you do know that Cyanide is not poisonous, correct ? its only poisonous at a certain dose . the dosage dictates the poison.
water is also not "poisonous" , but if you consume too much all at once you'll die.


so drugs , chemical compounds, can take on different characteristics at different dosages.

i'l use the whisky example again..

if aliens came down and observed a man drinking 2 shots of whisky and how that may positively effect him and put him in a good mood and relax him..
then observed another man drinking 20 shots of the exact same whisky, and how terrible the effects are on this man. the aliens may think they are taking 2 totally separate drugs . but they are not. they are taking the same exact thing . its just the dosage dictates the charanctiersitics and effects a drug can have.


Same with AAS.
10mg of Dbol per day pre workout acts like a totally different drug then 100mg of Dbol daily. the 10mg simply gives positive mental effects and a little bit of glycogen loading during a workout. the 100mg per day suddenly turns on different mechanisms of action in the body that have much more supraphysiological effects

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to further explain ... "Dosages" themselves are what makes the characteristics of a drug .

you do know that Cyanide is not poisonous, correct ? its only poisonous at a certain dose . the dosage dictates the poison.
water is also not "poisonous" , but if you consume too much all at once you'll die.


so drugs , chemical compounds, can take on different characteristics at different dosages.

i'l use the whisky example again..

if aliens came down and observed a man drinking 2 shots of whisky and how that may positively effect him and put him in a good mood and relax him..
then observed another man drinking 20 shots of the exact same whisky, and how terrible the effects are on this man. the aliens may think they are taking 2 totally separate drugs . but they are not. they are taking the same exact thing . its just the dosage dictates the charanctiersitics and effects a drug can have.


Same with AAS.
10mg of Dbol per day pre workout acts like a totally different drug then 100mg of Dbol daily. the 10mg simply gives positive mental effects and a little bit of glycogen loading during a workout. the 100mg per day suddenly turns on different mechanisms of action in the body that have much more supraphysiological effects

So how much of any given compound would you consider the minimum effective dose (for bodybuilding purposes)? And the maximum that someone should take?

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So how much of any given compound would you consider the minimum effective dose (for bodybuilding purposes)? And the maximum that someone should take?

lots of variables here . depends on the person, cycle experience, weight/stats, etc.. so I could only give rough generalities.

but I've went on record on this forum several times stating , for example, that Test is not really all that anabolic until you get to the 800-1500mg a week range. thats where the magic happens (ie, for test only cycles)..
a serious bodybuilder messing around with 400mg per week test only cycles is wasting his time, imo

for other compounds, just real basic generalities here
- Dbol - 40-100mg per day
- Deca - 350-500mg per week
- EQ - 500+mg per week (unless you get super high quality directly from a vet clinic, then 350+)
- Mast 400mg
- Primo 400mg
- Tbol 50mg
- Var 30-70mg
- Anadrol 50mg
- Superdrol 20mg
- Halo 10+mg
- Tren ace 150mg
- Tren E 350mg

these are just some random numbers . just numbers I've seen work for the super compensating effect I spoke about. of course its really going to depend on your total stack design.
eg., 500mg of test may be fine, not as a stand alone but when stacked with 600mg of deca and 100mg of Dbol.. if I were to run test on a blast as a main compound though I'd hit at least a gram .
50mg of anadrol works great and you can still run 20mg of Dbol pre workout.. however if Anadrol is your main compound your trying to grow from you may want to run 100

so dosage depends a lot on the overall stack/cycle design

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Im still curious though. What if you ran:
200 test c
100 dhb
200 deca
100 primo
250 eq
50 tren e
100 mast e
etc etc
lets say they total 1.5g. But each compound is run below the amount that gives super compensating effects. Would there be less results running than, than say, 200 test and 1300 deca?

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Im still curious though. What if you ran:
200 test c
100 dhb
200 deca
100 primo
250 eq
50 tren e
100 mast e
etc etc
lets say they total 1.5g. But each compound is run below the amount that gives super compensating effects. Would there be less results running than, than say, 200 test and 1300 deca?

well what if I take
1 shot of rum
1 shot of vodka
2 shots of whisky
1 beer
2 shots of tequilla
2 glasses of wine

would I be just as F'd up as if I just took 10 shots of pure whisky .

idk, shit lets experiment . I've got the whisky, who is bringing the vodka, rum, beer and tequila

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seriously though. when I build cycle stacks , I take the ENTIRE androgenic or anabolic load of all compounds combined , not just one compound.

so when I ran 2000mg of test with 1000mg of tren and 500mg of Mast . my TOTAL androgenic load for that cycle was 7,500mg per week (basically equal to taking 7,500mg of just test per week).

the reason I don't base it on each individual compound is just like the alcohol example I gave . they are all still alcohol. does not matter that one is rum and one is whisky, they can have a cumulative effect.

I can get 600mg per week of test effects with only running 100mg of test per week (as long as I make up that difference with 500mg of similar AAS).. in fact I may get even better effects.

you may get way more blasted taking 10 shots of 10 different types of alcohol, then you would just taking 10 shots of one kind.

you can get a cumulative exaggerated effect actually -- where 1+1 = 5 , instead of 2

thats the beauty of stacking

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So how much of any given compound would you consider the minimum effective dose (for bodybuilding purposes)? And the maximum that someone should take?

as for "maximum dose" , thats an even harder question to answer..

for me , I can handle 1 gram of Tren ace for about 3 weeks and I'm done.. however I could probably cruise on 350 for most the year. where as some guys can't barely tolerate the 350

for some guys 50mg of Anadrol kills their appetite and they can't go more then 2 weeks on it.. for other guys they run 100mg for months on end.


then of course there is the blood work factor . perhaps you feel great on 50mg of Var and can run that for months with great results and no negative side effects.. BUT its killing your HDL cholesterol . so even though you feel great, you may not tolerate that dose as well as you may think (of course maybe you just need to up your test and get more estrogen conversion to increase HDL when you run Var)


for some guys the limiting dose factor is simply a matter of how much oil they can fit into the syringe and various muscle to inject it all in