Tren/test/win cycle

[roid_rage]

But how am I going to get estrogenic effects If im using and AI, if I was using something like nolva to fight estrogens this makes sense to me, but an AI is previnting the aromatization, so I dont have enough estrongens to have sides...

an AI is a must, no other way for me, all of my cycles have testosterone as a base, if not the only choice left are dhts and 19-nors.. progestins fuck me up, and so thats left me with dht alone, wich will shut me down...

Things have chenged since I use to post a lot in this place.... it used to be test always, if im understanging you right, you are suggesting me to avoid androgenic drugs?

sorry for my english by the way, not my first lenguage...not trying to sound rude, just my lack of english skills probably are making me sound rude if I am doing it...

[GearHeaded]

But how am I going to get estrogenic effects If im using and AI,

an AI does NOT prevent estrogenic side effects . or progestin side effects that lead to estrogen sensitization.. an AI only does one simple (and often times useless) thing . it just limits aromatization. thats it. its an "aromatase inhibitor".

guys who are genetically pre-dsposed to getting gyno , get it no matter if they are taking AI's or not . AI's do not stop estrogenic effects. they only blunt an enzyme (ie, aromatase)

[roid_rage]

shouldnt adex avouid the convertion on a rate of 80% and letro something like 95 or something? that will litereally leave you with no estrogens...

my logic tells me this, all humans need estrogen, If I keep my estrogen between the normal range of my normal being (without aas) I shoudlt get any estrogenic sides. While on steroids, while is expected e2 to rise as you are getting androgens, its how much is your body able to hold withoyut suffering from e2 sides. I see your poitn, supressing e2 or not allowing it to go up will disminish muscle gain, which is the whole idea of using steroids, thats why pro body builders actually get gyno, not because they didnt know AI or SERMS existed, becasue they were tryoing to maxime muscle gain thus avoiding AI or SERMS all along...but Im not expecting to put 10k of muscles, I cant, im a grappler...

I have never gotten gyno though... the worst it happend to me was puffy nipples on 500 mg, went away as soon as I added nolva... oh and my dick going numb, which I took care upping the ai dose. I thought there was a relation between high stronge and high prolactin, because of the numbness, dont know If I was right, but upping the AI dosa certanly got rid of that problem, and that was on test alone.

anyways, you have conviced me to not take tren, to be for real, I dont even need it, just wanted to see what the hell was all the buzz about it.

swtiching to primo 400 mg instead.

[roid_rage]

an AI does NOT prevent estrogenic side effects . or progestin side effects that lead to estrogen sensitization.. an AI only does one simple (and often times useless) thing . it just limits aromatization. thats it. its an "aromatase inhibitor".

guys who are genetically pre-dsposed to getting gyno , get it no matter if they are taking AI's or not . AI's do not stop estrogenic effects. they only blunt an enzyme (ie, aromatase)

shouldnt adex avouid the convertion on a rate of 80% and letro something like 95 or something? that will litereally leave you with no estrogens...

my logic tells me this, all humans need estrogen, If I keep my estrogen between the normal range of my normal being (without aas) I shoudlt get any estrogenic sides. While on steroids , while is expected e2 to rise as you are getting androgens, its how much is your body able to hold withoyut suffering from e2 sides. I see your poitn, supressing e2 or not allowing it to go up will disminish muscle gain, which is the whole idea of using steroids, thats why pro body builders actually get gyno, not because they didnt know AI or SERMS existed, becasue they were tryoing to maxime muscle gain thus avoiding AI or SERMS all along...but Im not expecting to put 10k of muscles, I cant, im a grappler...

I have never gotten gyno though... the worst it happend to me was puffy nipples on 500 mg, went away as soon as I added nolva... oh and my dick going numb, which I took care upping the ai dose. I thought there was a relation between high stronge and high prolactin, because of the numbness, dont know If I was right, but upping the AI dosa certanly got rid of that problem, and that was on test alone.

anyways, you have conviced me to not take tren , to be for real, I dont even need it, just wanted to see what the hell was all the buzz about it.

swtiching to primo 400 mg instead.

do you suggest the use of SERMS over AI?