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That's exactly why i suggested to start with the standard 12 weeks test only cycle, at the end of the 12 week and than i wrote that at the end to evaluate if things were good or not
In case something wasn't ok= start PCT
All good try a cruise
i agree, it is not the same approach he outlined because he stated since the first post that this is intended for veterans. But that doesn't mean that some elaboration can't be done to try to see if even a 1st cycle can be made more efficient.
i think we all agree to the following aspects:
A bulking cycle must be coupled with a caloric surplus
A PCT time following a bulking cycle should be coupled with a caloric surplus
A cutting phase should be done with the help of a cycle to avoid to loose the gains achieved during the bulking phase
With a standard 1st cycle+PCT+time off cycle you will be 36 weeks into a caloric surplus of 500 cal/day=126000 cal surplus
126000 cal surplus is roughtly 20 kg of stored fat (each kg of stored fat is approx 6000/7000 cal, depending on how much water is stored with it)
So, it is quite pointless to plan a 1st bulking cycle without considering to make it follow by a solid cutting cycle unless you want to try your luck to loose 16/17 kgs without any aas supporting your cal deficit
Said all the above, to do the 2 cycles going throught the normal route (Time ON + Wait time for PCT + PCT time) it'll require a total amount of 72 weeks (approx 16.5 months or 1.4 years!)
Creating a bridge between the 2 cycles (hence skippimg a PCT) is way more effective that doing all the process and that will lead to shortening the time of caloric surplus to just 18 weeks, that means that in the subsequent cutting cycle you will have to loose just 6/7 kg of body fat and all the process will require just require 36 weeks, meaning it can be done in 8 months
You are right! I actually don't have any steroid experience, i never used AAS in my whole life but i like to read and study the argument. I don't think that all the researches on the field of aas are competitive or amateur bodybuilders but correct me if i'm wrong
What actually concern me the most about Superdrol is the impact on the liver. As i said before what i was trying to lay down is an idea not the actual cycle to do, for that i'd like to get ideas from someone that's more knowledgeable than me
I could have said
Test E Bulk (phase 1/Bulk)
Hcg
Eq (phase 2/cruise)
Test E (phase 3/cutting
Hcg
"cutting" roid
I am a firm beliver that before you try something you have to be very well documented and prepared. That's precisely the purpose of a forum: read, ask questions and throw some ideas that can be good or not.
I never wrote that my intention is to run the aforementioned cycle plan. My interest at the moment is to investigate some possibilities of improovment of a standard protocol. I never tought it was possible or doable skipping a PCT, but with this tread (thank you GH) i learned some very interestin stuffs and i think there is a good chance to creare some good content inside the forum.
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