HGH and slin

[Livinlean]

well you don't get to looking like a 280 pound jacked Fouad Abiad without insulin in some form or another,, even though he does not take exogenous insulin anymore , he's still getting like 100iu per day naturally through his high carb diet (add his HGH into the mix and he's now getting even more natural production)..

insulin is most definitely 'anabolic' and builds muscles .. if we were all type 1 diabetics and didn't produce insulin and didn't take it exogenously (we would die, but besides the point) we would all be like 80 pound skeletons and have no muscle mass at all. you simply can't build muscle without insulin..


wither you get that insulin from a bottle or from your own pancreas, it does not matter, insulin is insulin . just because Arnold did not inject exogenous insulin does NOT mean his physique was built without insulin . he's no different then Brandon Curry who injects insulin, because its all the same. all the muscle on both those physiques were built in one way or the other via the aide of insulin .. again you can't build muscle without it (thats how proteins, amino acids, glycogen, water, and nutrients get into muscle cells .. by insulin).

now of course with exogenous insulin you can get a super compensation effect that can't be achieved with natty production. you can also time things exactly how you want.. so your going to be able to build more overall muscle and load more glycogen and nutrients with exogenous insulin use. but again wither your natty or not or take insulin or not , insulin is critical in the muscle building process in one way or the other

Very good way of putting it.

So question here for you, for someone running high amounts of insulin, would you recommend them running a decent amount of fat to ensure everything is recovering properly or would you keep the fat low in hopes of not gaining fat, I know this is the conventional way of doing things but I also know that a lot of people don't follow this ideology.

[GearHeaded]

Very good way of putting it.

So question here for you, for someone running high amounts of insulin, would you recommend them running a decent amount of fat to ensure everything is recovering properly or would you keep the fat low in hopes of not gaining fat, I know this is the conventional way of doing things but I also know that a lot of people don't follow this ideology.

so the reason some guys end up getting fat using insulin is not because they are eating fat per se, they are over doing sugar. they are so damn afraid and paranoid of going hypo after injecting slin that they continually gorge on a bunch of junk food and candy.
https://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3...g-insulin.html

I generally have guys run insulin along side their existing body building diet. the diet is optimized ahead of time, their is no need to change it just because your now running exogenous insulin. if your post workout meal is 8oz of chicken and 2 cups of white rice, then you need to shoot the amount of insulin that is sufficient for that exact meal (not start adding sugars and candy just cause you shot insulin)


as for dietary fats. I would keep those in your diet they way they've always been in your diet. some guys think that they can't have dietary fats when on an insulin protocol because they think the slin is just going to store the fat. but dietary fat does NOT require insulin to be stored as body fat in the first place. fat gets stored as fat wither your injecting insulin or not (its though enzymatic processes that dietary fat is stored as fat).
yes insulin can play a role in storage into fat cells, but this is not sped up or enhanced just because you get insulin from a needle and not your pancreas.


the only hindrance dietary fat has with insulin use is that it slows down the absorption of carbs. so if your using rapid acting insulin post workout, its best to eat your two cups of rice meal but not have any fats in that meal because you don't want to slow things down.
but if you were running say just 5iu of slin first thing in the morning and using an "r" fast acting insulin and not rapid , then its really no biggy to use slower acting carbs like oatmeal and its fine to have fats in their as well lets say with your eggs


one exception to all the above is if a guy is in an off season heavy bulking and trying to put on as much mass as possible,, then I will adjust the diet to go along with and feed the insulin use. so lets say we are pinning 60iu of slin per day, plus running 6iu of HGH, plus MK, etc.. then we are going to have to feed all that with additional carbs added to the diet. your existing normal bodybuilding diet is probably not sufficient.

the exact opposite when using insulin during a contest prep or cut. insulin dosages go way down and things are very time limited. may use a little bit of insulin during fasted cardio, or may use a little bit during meal 1 to blunt cortisol, and perhaps post workout to aide recovery,, but we are definitely not purposely feeding the insulin use

[Huher]

so the reason some guys end up getting fat using insulin is not because they are eating fat per se, they are over doing sugar. they are so damn afraid and paranoid of going hypo after injecting slin that they continually gorge on a bunch of junk food and candy.
https://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3...g-insulin.html

I really have to agree. GH helped with my first insulin use during bulking, and I've not even gained fat but lost it. I've dropped around 2-3 bf% while also gained 8-10lbs without any HGH, just AAS and slin. Pre wo shot was 6-8 iu and I consumed only 20g of sugar during workout, post shot was 15 iu and didn't consume any sugar at all, just oats and rice, and didn't have any problems. Veins started to appear where I didn't even know they existed, abs started to appear too, while I was in a 4500 kcal diet.
Couldn't even imagine what would it do with HGH, it's awesome

[Ashop]

I really have to agree. GH helped with my first insulin use during bulking, and I've not even gained fat but lost it. I've dropped around 2-3 bf% while also gained 8-10lbs without any HGH, just AAS and slin. Pre wo shot was 6-8 iu and I consumed only 20g of sugar during workout, post shot was 15 iu and didn't consume any sugar at all, just oats and rice, and didn't have any problems. Veins started to appear where I didn't even know they existed, abs started to appear too, while I was in a 4500 kcal diet.
Couldn't even imagine what would it do with HGH, it's awesome

Using insulin with HGH is like pouring gas on a fire. A sure game changer.