Opinions 4th cycle - winter lean gains and recomposition

[PTROIDE]

Hello,

I want to do my 4th cycle for this winter, but i dont want to get bloated, so deca out off, i would like to try TREN in a low dose like 100 or 200mg week but dont now if this cycle is the best option to do that.....

STATS

27yold
1.75m
80kg
12% BF

For a lean gains cycle and body recomposition what you think about it:

Cycle

1-14 Test E. 300mg or 400mg week
1-14 EQ 600mg week
1-6 Anavar or tbol 40mg/day

3-16 Anastrozole (arimidex ) 0,25mg? EOD i dont know if needed
3-16 HCG 500UI week (2x250ui) last shot 3 days before start SARMS

PCT after 2 weeks stop test

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/50

Thanks

[Windex]

If you want to avoid bloat then Dianabol is the worst option, it is the king of water rentention.

I would skip Winny all together and Use Anavar as your oral. Maybe 40-60mg for 6 weeks.

Enanthate is not a good idea for Tren on a first run. If your body doesn't respond well to the compound it's going to take 2 weeks to fully clear your system and you are going to be very unhappy. You are also not going to be able to gain adequate weight on Tren the first go. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way it's just the reality of the compound and the experience level of people who use Tren the first time. It's a bit of a catch 22 and self-proving statement.

I would also prefer Primo over EQ but they are both fine options. To further minimize bloat I would drop the Test down to 200 and add 100mg to either EQ or running Primo if you go that route.

Your macros + "clean food" doesn't mean anything with no context. I could get to those macros eating Chicken, Rice, and Olive Oil alone which would be a complete garbage diet devoid of all nutrition.

Being 176lbs after 3 cycles is a big red flag that eating is lacking.

I would challenge you to post your diet up for review.

[PTROIDE]

If you want to avoid bloat then Dianabol is the worst option, it is the king of water rentention.

I would skip Winny all together and Use Anavar as your oral. Maybe 40-60mg for 6 weeks.

Enanthate is not a good idea for Tren on a first run. If your body doesn't respond well to the compound it's going to take 2 weeks to fully clear your system and you are going to be very unhappy. You are also not going to be able to gain adequate weight on Tren the first go. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way it's just the reality of the compound and the experience level of people who use Tren the first time. It's a bit of a catch 22 and self-proving statement.

I would also prefer Primo over EQ but they are both fine options. To further minimize bloat I would drop the Test down to 200 and add 100mg to either EQ or running Primo if you go that route.

Your macros + "clean food" doesn't mean anything with no context. I could get to those macros eating Chicken, Rice, and Olive Oil alone which would be a complete garbage diet devoid of all nutrition.

Being 176lbs after 3 cycles is a big red flag that eating is lacking.

I would challenge you to post your diet up for review.

I would challenge you to post your diet up for review.[/QUOTE]

So lets forget dbol this time, anavar first 6 weeks, and forget tren at this cycle i dont want to shot EOD.

if i switch from EQ to primo the racio for test is the same of EQ? 200-300mg test E for how much primo?

[Windex]

The ratios can be the same. Avoiding the diet question is just further proving my point FYI.

[PTROIDE]

The ratios can be the same. Avoiding the diet question is just further proving my point FYI.

i will post my diet, but i will discart primo, in my country i only can get primo Enanthate in 1x100mg i will need to mutch primo to get 600mg week :/, masteron is a good option to?
some guys tell me that EQ is useless for our goals ....

[Windex]

i will post my diet, but i will discart primo, in my country i only can get primo Enanthate in 1x100mg i will need to mutch primo to get 600mg week :/, masteron is a good option to?

If you can buy Primo at a pharmacy in your country then you should 100% be using Primo instead of EQ. 6mL a week is fine for volume, Pin MWF at 200mg

[PTROIDE]

If you can buy Primo at a pharmacy in your country then you should 100% be using Primo instead of EQ. 6mL a week is fine for volume, Pin MWF at 200mg

primo is out of the options for 12 weeks i will need 7-8 vials, more than 400$ only for primo i'm not preparing for a show dont need spend to much in 1 drug

[CALLMEOCT]

primo is out of the options for 12 weeks i will need 7-8 vials, more than 400$ only for primo i'm not preparing for a show dont need spend to much in 1 drug

I used Equipoise on my last cycle and the results were amazing. I know it was the Equi since it was my 3rd cycle and it was the first time trying Equipoise.

I did 600mg Equi 400mg Test splitting doses twice a week.

The only bad thing i could mention about Equi is the high blood pressure i ended up having at Week8/9 wich made me donate blood.

Other than that, the compount itself is solid for lean gains. Cardio wise (i play soccer) you'll feel like a horse and wont get tired after long cardio sessions.

[PTROIDE]

What are ter dangerous range of high blood pressure ? If i gosto EQ i Will check every week and take 5mg or 10mg Cialis to try to prevent and donate blood if needed

[PTROIDE]

another question 2 weeks off before PCT is enough to EQ leave the body?

[balance]

Considering what you have stated NPP might be something to consider. Many people find the short ester nandrolone to seam less water retentive vs deca.


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[jackfrost88]

another question 2 weeks off before PCT is enough to EQ leave the body?

Did the exact same cycle as you and all the advice and information I could find showed that 2 weeks was fine to let the EQ esters lower before PCT. To be sure I dropped EQ 1 week before the test so gave it 3 weeks.

[PTROIDE]

so i change the cycle, and thats it 300mg test 14 weeks, 600mg eq 14 weeks and 40mg var 6 weeks.

Considering i will want to cycle again for the summer, may or june its a waste of time stop and do a PCT or dont do the PCT and do a TRT dose (cruise) up until june? and after this 8-10 months do the sticky Eduke's PCT program or dr scally pct...

[Windex]

I'm still waiting for this "clean" diet personally

[jackfrost88]

I'm still waiting for this "clean" diet personally

It's a trap! I posted my completely clean and consistent diet and got attacked for leaving out details in a sample diet day, using 6oz chicken as all of my protein's instead of eggs or beef lol. You are completely right though if he is truly only 176lbs.

At least the OP is honest hope people don't go after him too much!

[PTROIDE]

This is the start point, almost i do this all year in this base.

Meal 1
2 Eggs
200Gr Egg whites
100Gr Oats
30Gr Whey 90%

Meal 2
200Gr Chicken breast
200Gr Rice
100Gr greens

Meal 2 OPTION in case you don't have time at work
30Gr Whey 90%
100Gr Oats

Meal 3
200Gr Steak or fish
200Gr rice
50Gr Almonds/nuts

Meal 4 (post workout)
30Gr Whey 90%
60Gr maltodextrin

Meal 5
200Gr White fish
300Gr White potatos
2 tblsp Olive oil

Adjustable when needed...

[balance]

So on days your pressed for time you have two meals that contain real meat? This plan might get half of your goal “lean gains” , the gains part is truly doubtful with whey and egg whites. To put it simply you need more real meat (ideally red).


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[PTROIDE]

I can switch the fish from last meal to red meat i prefer ��

[GearHeaded]

low dose test, with moderate dose Eq, and running an oral like Var,, is an extremely low side effect and mild cycle. I don't foresee any problems with it (as long as you stay away from any AI usage)..

the gains are mainly going to be anabolic with slow steady tissue building . your not going to 'blow up' by any means. 14 weeks should provide plenty of new tissue , IF your diet is on track (I'd advise more meat as well as adding more veggies and a diversity of carb sources)

[PTROIDE]

low dose test, with moderate dose Eq, and running an oral like Var,, is an extremely low side effect and mild cycle. I don't foresee any problems with it (as long as you stay away from any AI usage)..

the gains are mainly going to be anabolic with slow steady tissue building . your not going to 'blow up' by any means. 14 weeks should provide plenty of new tissue , IF your diet is on track (I'd advise more meat as well as adding more veggies and a diversity of carb sources)

thanks, no problem with using 500ui HCG week and no AI ?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

thanks, no problem with using 500ui HCG week and no AI ?

Nope. None

[PTROIDE]

Fine i will do a log and post week resulta when start this