haha, i can't tell what side of the debate you're on, JB, but of course there's a difference when your on and when you're not, but i think he's saying that if you cycle and gain 25lbs, in two years, you will lose it all if you don't use aas, in my opinion, the lean mass you put on is keepable w/out aas if you continue to train hard and diet correctlyOriginally Posted by James Bond