What’s your ultimate cruise or HRT?

[jnd42697]

Gear Head, I'm a 55 year old male that has been blasting and cruising probably for far too long without really knowing that's what I was doing. Is there a need to do PCT and allow all my hormones to neutralize before starting 150 mg or Test E and 300 mg of Primo? Or will the cruise cycle allow my body to better get where it needs to be? Right now I am on 500 mg Test E and 300mg Tren E and 250mg of HCG 3 days a week. I was also taking 50mg of Anadrol the first 4 weeks. 6 weeks on this cycle.

Thanks

[Test Monsterone]

Gear Head, I'm a 55 year old male that has been blasting and cruising probably for far too long without really knowing that's what I was doing. Is there a need to do PCT and allow all my hormones to neutralize before starting 150 mg or Test E and 300 mg of Primo? Or will the cruise cycle allow my body to better get where it needs to be? Right now I am on 500 mg Test E and 300mg Tren E and 250mg of HCG 3 days a week. I was also taking 50mg of Anadrol the first 4 weeks. 6 weeks on this cycle.

Thanks

Gear may better answer this question for you but I'll give you my version. We know that there is a period after a couple of months on a cycle where our bodies stop responding to the steroids the same way, and eventually plateau. It used to be said that the "receptors" become overstimulated and desensitized over time. You've probably heard of the myostatin inhibitor. It is a protein that is created by the body to basically stop the overproduction of skeletal muscle tissue. It is possible that the body is creating such proteins, hormones, and maybe sending other signals to slow the growth of muscle during a cycle, otherwise we would grow until we died. I say all that because I think that in order for you to get the best out of your next cycle, it might be a good idea to go back to a TRT level for a couple of months. It will also be healthy for you, especially as tren is a rough one from all accounts, and your cholesterol is probably jacked.

[jnd42697]

So are you saying 150mg to 200mg a week of Test E? I’m ok with that if it’s the best way to go.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

So are you saying 150mg to 200mg a week of Test E? I’m ok with that if it’s the best way to go.

150mg of test a week
300mg of primo a week

is a very very solid cruise

[AR's King Silabolin]

Everyone always talks cycles and blasts, and yeah that’s a lot of fun obviously. I love being on a fuck ton of gear, but obviously we have to slow down and maintain at some point or take breaks (except OBS, but he’s not human).

When it comes to cruising up until recently I was a 250mg/wk test kind of guy. Seems a lot of us go that way. And it kind of sucks. Then I’ve noticed a lot of guys (particularly the older guys) had some pretty intricate cruises, or HRT routines. At some point GearHeaded brought up that maybe the real thing to do if you can swing it is just run some permanent combo of low dose test/primo/deca forever, and occasionally blast some Tren/Mast when you need to look like something. So for the last 6 weeks or so I’ve been running 250mg of test and 400mg of primo, and I like it. A lot.

Now the only issue is I’ve been off of nandrolone for 6 weeks and my joints, and in particular my shoulder feel like dog shit. So I want to incorporate deca back in. So I’m doing so at 250mg/week. I also added Tren in at 200mg/week because... Tren. And I might throw some Var on this... and I just realized I’m not really cruising anymore with a gram of gear a week in me. So That’s cool, I’ll smack out the mini cycle for a
minute, but at some point that will end...

So what I really want to discuss here is what everyone’s optimal cruise/HRT compounds and doseages are.

150 mg tren e a week. No e2, good for prostate. Man beats God!

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[wavefunction]

250mg test e weekly. Keeping it simple as I’m new to this. Oh, and 30mg dbol preworkout which I think I should stop taking.

[wavefunction]

Naturally men produce what, 50 mgs of testosterone per week? Yet everyone seems to be injecting hundreds of mgs as a replacement therapy : D

[< <Samson> >]

^ pretty much

My natural test was in the mid 300’s when I was in my late 20’s before I even knew what working out or juice even was

MD said it was normal

I started working out & within a year got it pulled again, it was in the mid/high 400’s


Now - I fee best at right about 1k total test - no ai

Now I added dBol & ProV at 25mg of ea


Shit, I feel better than I ever did


I’m thinking of adding 100mg a week of tren e when I pull the dBol


Not having throbbing bitch tits rocks

[wavefunction]

Tren as trt - I just have to try that.

[wavefunction]

Most of members of this forum are insane imo. In a good way

[< <Samson> >]

Not really

Just becoming more truthful, I suppose


Talk to some semi/real pros that actually say what they’re on - it’ll make your head spin < in most cases

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Not really

Just becoming more truthful, I suppose


Talk to some semi/real pros that actually say what they’re on - it’ll make your head spin < in most cases

Just as there’s a “look”
that gives AAS use away, There’s a look that gives Tren use away

[flexin-rph]

one of the main purposes of coming off a blast and cruising is to down regulate your androgen and estrogen load. give your body a break from the constant elevation of these. so cruising on something like 500mg of test is not ideal (its adding lots of estrogen and androgen load). neither is cruising on test and then adding in Dbol.

an ideal cruise to allow androgen levels and estrogen levels to down regulate and fall off a little bit while maintaining anabolic load is something like Primobolan or EQ.
150mg test
300mg primobolan
is just about right for most of us.

depending on your situation in your cruise, adding in secondary growth factors that are not androgenic or estrogenic can be of benefit .. like HGH, Mk677, IGF, Clen, T4, insulin . you can continue to grow well and add muscle with these things even though your 'off cycle'.. of course yes while on cycle when your androgen and estrogen load are both very high your going to grow better as well as get the cosmetic effects.

in regards to cruising on deca. yes its a pure anabolic, its going to help you hold onto and build muscle without providing androgen load or converting to a ton of estrogen . but its a progestin , so its going to act on progestin receptors and keep you constantly sensitized to estrogen. thats not good nor bad per se , its person dependent. if your sensitive to estrogen and progestin/prolactin, then it may not be a good idea to cruise on deca year round. if your not sensitive and you get good joint support and anti inflammation benefits from it , then great.
but in general, cruising on 19 nors year round is not as ideal as cruising on Primo


another thought .. theres a difference between a 'cruise' and a 'bridge' . a cruise is meant to be 'off cycle' and give your body a break from the androgen load for awhile, where as a 'bridge' is a transition phase from one blast to the next blast.
so in a bridge, lets say you been bulking for 12 weeks and your insulin sensitivity is now low , you need to mini cut for 6 weeks. well in that mini cut you may want to bridge with some low dose cutting compounds before you next bulking blast.
like
200mg test
400mg primo
30mg var a day
60mcg clen

thats basically a small cycle. its just holding you over for the mini cut 'bridge' .. where as with a cruise you want to run low doses and give your body as much as a break as possible . imo nothing gives your body the most amount of break, yet while still maintaining great level of anabolism, then Primo

So, if I wanted to use Eq instead of Primo, what dose do you recommend? (For a cruise with Test only)

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I’d say 300-500mg of EQ would be fine for a cruise

[Smokin2020$]

I've been on 125mg to 250mg of test cyp EOW since I was 30yo, I'm 42 now. I occasionally threw in other products to get that extra lean look or bulk up little. Endocrinologist prescribed me test when I was 30 and she explained men need this hormone or your body breaks down as we age. This is a doctor dose I'm on and it's been great. I always feel normal and good about myself.

Now I started 5IU hgh every day which I'll take out 2 years at least. I've also read you can run primo long term in medical doses. So April 1st I'll start 200mg primo a week and maybe get to a point I back off to 100mg a week so I can go even longer. Of course I'll monitor myself and if something does not feel right I'll get looked at but I get yearly physical which helps to monitor myself.

[Windex]

New Cruise

Weekly :

450mg Primo
150mg Test
100mg Deca Durabolin
1500IU HCG

Daily :

3IU HGH
20mg Cardarine
25mg MK677
20mg Anavar
100mcg T4
50mg DHEA

[kelkel]

New Cruise

Weekly :

450mg Primo
150mg Test
100mg Deca Durabolin
1500IU HCG

Daily :

3IU HGH
20mg Cardarine
25mg MK677
20mg Anavar
100mcg T4
50mg DHEA

Why so high on the HCG?

[Krb367]

I really need to step my cruise game up.

Primo is like having another monthly vehicle payment tho lol

[GearHeaded]

New Cruise

Weekly :

450mg Primo
150mg Test
100mg Deca Durabolin
1500IU HCG

Daily :

3IU HGH
20mg Cardarine
25mg MK677
20mg Anavar
100mcg T4
50mg DHEA

do you think there is any felt benefits or effects from the DHEA with such other exogenous hormones in the mix ?

[Windex]

do you think there is any felt benefits or effects from the DHEA with such other exogenous hormones in the mix ?

I can't say I've noticed a difference. I do know it was part of Dr Crisler protocol for his HRT patients and my endo highly recommends it. For the $10/month I spend on the DHEA, Id rather invest in it than not have it.

[Windex]

Why so high on the HCG?

A typo. Should be 1050 not 1500. I do 3x350IU. I have no patience for drawing fractions in the syringe so it makes it easier

[Windex]

I really need to step my cruise game up.

Primo is like having another monthly vehicle payment tho lol

You don't want to see the price then of my scripted GH, Deca or Anavar then

[Eduke93]

195mg test e per week does me well!

[Krb367]

You don't want to see the price then of my scripted GH, Deca or Anavar then

A couple days ago I actually plugged in oxandrolone into GoodRx.. 60 @ 10mg $300! Fuuuuuck

[xxblazenlowxx]

Weekly

160mg Test
160mg Deca
600I.U. HCG

Daily
25 mg DHEA
250 mg DIM
500mg Niacin
1200mg NAC

I would like to add primo @ 200mg a week around September.

[Windex]

Dropped MK for the first time since started and upped Cardarine to 30mg/week.

Added 150mg/EQ.

Curious to see how it plays out.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Changed mine around a bit to.

Test - 200mg/week
Primo - 400mg/week
HCG - 500iu/week
MK677 - 25mg/night
Insulin - 20iu/day

Dropped Deca for awhile. Between deca and Tren my prolactin levels were starting to get high. Couldn’t tell you what they were, but everytime it happens the skin in my arm pits and around my hips starts to get noticeably darker. Anyone else get that?

Anyway, as cruises go this one suits me very well. Joints notice the removal of deca pretty quick, but what’re you gonna do?

[Krb367]

Been following this since it’s OP. Wanting to build a solid cruise stack.. Was really digging the idea of primo alongside my TRT with either low var or deca. Then the bicep tear. Then covid19. Then my rig stacks. Then gyms shut down.

Guess I’m going straight in to a blast. Recomp for summer after these shit last few months, or stay on the gain train. Why can’t we have both?

[Windex]

Changed mine around a bit to.

Test - 200mg/week
Primo - 400mg/week
HCG - 500iu/week
MK677 - 25mg/night
Insulin - 20iu/day

Dropped Deca for awhile. Between deca and Tren my prolactin levels were starting to get high. Couldn’t tell you what they were, but everytime it happens the skin in my arm pits and around my hips starts to get noticeably darker. Anyone else get that?

Anyway, as cruises go this one suits me very well. Joints notice the removal of deca pretty quick, but what’re you gonna do?

I'm at 90mg deca (30mg x 3 )

Maybe you could try 60-90mg via NPP with ED inject ?

I'm at

150 test
225 primo
150 EQ
90 Deca
20mg Var per day
30mg GW per day
3IU GH

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I'm at 90mg deca (30mg x 3 )

Maybe you could try 60-90mg via NPP with ED inject ?

I'm at

150 test
225 primo
150 EQ
90 Deca
20mg Var per day
30mg GW per day
3IU GH

If I add nandrolone back in, it will either be in the form of NPP, or run alongside Masteron as I never get these issues with mast on board

[flexin-rph]

With some advice from a cpl fellow members, currently cruising (for about 3 weeks now): 100mg deca/week, 200mg test/week, 300mg Primo/ week, 500mcg hcg/week. Just added 50mg Proviron/ day this week . Feeling really good on this, & planning on running this till fall.

[Krb367]

With some advice from a cpl fellow members, currently cruising (for about 3 weeks now): 100mg deca/week, 200mg test/week, 300mg Primo/ week, 500mcg hcg/week. Just added 50mg Proviron/ day this week . Feeling really good on this, & planning on running this till fall.

This is ballpark what I was leaning towards, minus the proviron.

Feel good? Look good? All of the above?

[flexin-rph]

This is ballpark what I was leaning towards, minus the proviron.

Feel good? Look good? All of the above?

Yes, feel really good. Prolly don't look as lean as last summer while running tren, but just had to take a break from tren side effects. Couldn't sleep, sweat all night long....etc. The Proviron gives me a little more hardness look, plus helps with the libido. The Proviron also has the added benefit of possibly stopping some aromatazation since I am no longer running an AI.

[Slick88]

For those of you running a cruise with primo + test. If you were to have your test levels ran by your doc, does the primo elevate that reading at all? Or, is it a totally separate compound that would not effect your total t / free t reading?

Just curious as I know many on here are on prescribed HRT, so just wondering primos impact on those numbers when they pull them

[i_SLAM_cougars]

For those of you running a cruise with primo + test. If you were to have your test levels ran by your doc, does the primo elevate that reading at all? Or, is it a totally separate compound that would not effect your total t / free t reading?

Just curious as I know many on here are on prescribed HRT, so just wondering primos impact on those numbers when they pull them

No, primo won’t affect your testosterone numbers at all. Depending on the kind of test it is, nandrolone can however.

[Slick88]

Ok thanks. Currently in a bit of a pinch as my test levels came in really high after my last blast (500mg test), even after giving myself 6 weeks back at my normal HRT dose. Doc freaked out and wants to test my levels again in 3 weeks. I had literally just added primo to my cruise though as this happened, so I wasn’t sure if I should drop it all together to get my total / free t levels back in a “normal” range so I don’t put HRT prescription at risk

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Ok thanks. Currently in a bit of a pinch as my test levels came in really high after my last blast (500mg test), even after giving myself 6 weeks back at my normal HRT dose. Doc freaked out and wants to test my levels again in 3 weeks. I had literally just added primo to my cruise though as this happened, so I wasn’t sure if I should drop it all together to get my total / free t levels back in a “normal” range so I don’t put HRT prescription at risk

Whats your prescribed dose, and what did your numbers come back at?

[Slick88]

Whats your prescribed dose, and what did your numbers come back at?

Prescribed dose is 120mg test cyp. That typically puts me right at 850-900 (prior to me running a cycle anyways). My numbers on Thursday came in as follows (6 week after my 500mg test blast ended).

Total test: 1,351 <range of 264-916>
Estrogen: 69.8 <range of 7-42>
PSA: 8.1 <range of 0-4>

I was really shocked to see my total T that high still and really shocked to see my PSA at an 8 (typically is 1.1-1.3)

[i_SLAM_cougars]

What’s your injection protocol? And when did you get tested vs your last injection?

[Slick88]

What’s your injection protocol? And when did you get tested vs your last injection?

I split the 120 up in 60mg 2x per week, IM injections. I injected Wednesday morning and had my test levels pulled Friday morning