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    Hey Viktoriia,

    as these guys have already said. The two drugs T3/4 and Clen are very different, and work synergistcally.

    Depending where you read, you'll find different answers on the T3/T4 opinion and downregulation of the thyroid.
    You can take as much T4 as you possibly like, your body will only convert T4>T3 as required, but if i recall this still only works at around 25% conversion maximally.
    Ingesting T3 directly will give you the uplift to metabolic rate, but at a cost, unless you are on a large amount of hormones, your body wont discriminate on its energy sources making it quite catabolic if larger doses are taken.

    I dont know your current starting point, but it sounds like you're not in a bad place if you've competed before. I would personally only use the clenbuterol for the moment, working up to an effective dose and maintaining that for a 2 on / 2off period to keep it simple.

    I dont know enough about female cycles to comment on the var or primo usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krugerr View Post
    Ingesting T3 directly will give you the uplift to metabolic rate, but at a cost, unless you are on a large amount of hormones, your body wont discriminate on its energy sources making it quite catabolic if larger doses are taken. .
    I'm going to argue with you here brother .. T3 and unregulated metabolism is not that catabolic , unless its coupled with low estrogen levels.
    sure, anecdotal evidence. lots of guys have been known to lose muscle mass when taking large doses of T3 prepping and dieting for a show,, but these same fools are also taking a shit ton of AIs and trying to crash their estrogen.. thats why they lose muscle. its not the T3 itself.

    females generally do very well with T3 and don't lose muscle or become catabolic because they have naturally higher estrogen levels.
    estrogen is the key to muscle preservation

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I'm going to argue with you here brother .. T3 and unregulated metabolism is not that catabolic , unless its coupled with low estrogen levels.
    sure, anecdotal evidence. lots of guys have been known to lose muscle mass when taking large doses of T3 prepping and dieting for a show,, but these same fools are also taking a shit ton of AIs and trying to crash their estrogen.. thats why they lose muscle. its not the T3 itself.

    females generally do very well with T3 and don't lose muscle or become catabolic because they have naturally higher estrogen levels.
    estrogen is the key to muscle preservation
    Thats why we're here bro - debating is not the same as arguing!

    My understanding was that they are seperate systems. In its natural state, the human body wants equiliberium, it wants to be efficient. Muscle tissue is very demanding.
    When T3 is taken and metabolism increased, and calorie deficit is pretty well distrubuted. Those with larger amounts of muscle tissue will suffer with greater amounts of tissue loss. (The bodies way of bringing the BMR down quickly to remove the deficit). I thought only a large amount of anabolics would allow you to mitigate that.

    *Edit*
    Thats just my mind logically playing it out.

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