What kind of gains can be expected taking sarms vs test? And which are the best SARMs

[GearHeaded]

A light oral SARM cycle, say Ostarine 12.5 and LGD 5.0 (or Rad) for 10 weeks could result in c.6-8lbs lean mass gain.

if your a complete noob to training and "supplementation" perhaps .. but ain't no way an established lifter is getting 8 pounds of lean mass out of 12.5mg of Ostarine.

most established lifters will require lots of AAS.. the addition of growth hormone and insulin.. tons of food.. hard ass training, all for months on end to put on 8 pounds. . not 10 weeks and a little bit of Ostarine (if Ostarine was that effective we'd all be taking it)

[popeyewhite]

if your a complete noob to training and "supplementation" perhaps .. but ain't no way an established lifter is getting 8 pounds of lean mass out of 12.5mg of Ostarine.

most established lifters will require lots of AAS.. the addition of growth hormone and insulin.. tons of food.. hard ass training, all for months on end to put on 8 pounds. . not 10 weeks and a little bit of Ostarine (if Ostarine was that effective we'd all be taking it)

I agree largely. I can't see someone with a high number of AAS cycles under their belt progressing much with Ost. On the other hand I've done 4 AAS cycles and 3 SARM cycles over the last 8 years, I'm no noob but I put on quite a bit of lean mass. Really surprised me.

[Tornadoman]

I agree largely. I can't see someone with a high number of AAS cycles under their belt progressing much with Ost. On the other hand I've done 4 AAS cycles and 3 SARM cycles over the last 8 years, I'm no noob but I put on quite a bit of lean mass. Really surprised me.

Did sarms shut you down?Do you need pct?

[popeyewhite]

Did sarms shut you down?Do you need pct?

Ost didn't shut me down and I didn't use any PCT. I was absolutely fine. Other SARMS cycles didn't shut me down, but I did three weeks Nolva 20/10/10, just to ease things along. That's all any 'PCT' does anyway.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

if your a complete noob to training and "supplementation" perhaps .. but ain't no way an established lifter is getting 8 pounds of lean mass out of 12.5mg of Ostarine.

most established lifters will require lots of AAS.. the addition of growth hormone and insulin.. tons of food.. hard ass training, all for months on end to put on 8 pounds. . not 10 weeks and a little bit of Ostarine (if Ostarine was that effective we'd all be taking it)

After working with you, as well as talking to pretty much anyone who’s actually big, established, or just not completely full of shit, I don’t think it’s so much that established lifters require large amounts of AAS... I think the issue is WHAT we consider large amounts of AAS.

I would say any decent cycle would be from 2-4 grams of total gear a week. I would expect almost anyone regardless of experience would see results from those dosages. So it’s not that those doses are high. It’s that they are the EFFECTIVE dose for muscle gain. Sure a lesser dose may be effective for performance enhancement. An even smaller dose would be effective for overall Heath (think advanced HRT). Yet an even smaller dose may be just fine for treating anemia, etc...

The only reason these EFFECTIVE doses are considered high, are because these professional buttholes like to try to sell everyone on their “superior genetics” and “work ethic” and sell bullshit overpriced supplements and pre workout powders to teenagers. You can’t do that if everyone knows you’re a walking science experiment (except to other guys who do it, because they don’t care and think it’s cool anyway). Then when one of them “opens up” about their supposed AAS use it’s a giant load of bullshit. They throw out some generic beginner cycle of ultra low dose bullshit that doesn’t even make sense half the time, and then condescendingly explain how drugs aren’t that important, it’s all about their superior work ethic (because no one else can pick stuff up and put stuff down as good as them) and their “superior genetics”.

Are good genetics important in bodybuilding? Sure. Do a lot more people that a hand full of IFBB pros in the world have good enough genetics to be a pro? Probably a lot. You just don’t know if you don’t exploit it.

Is work ethic important? Of course it is, it’s important in anything in life you want to be good at.

You know what else is important? EFFECTIVE dosages of PEDs