First ever cycle at 43. Start picture included, open to suggestions

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I would get more gear and run the test e for 12 weeks.

At, 244lbs and 25% body fat you have 61lbs of fat and 183lbs of lean body mass.
If you manage to get to 15% body fat at 220lbs you would have to lose 33lbs of fat while gaining 4lbs of muscle.

You would look like a new person but still wouldn't be ripped. You would be at the beginning of looking lean.

Now losing 33lbs of fat in 8 weeks is a tall order.
To lose a pound is 3500.
4 pounds in week is 14,000 calorie deficit which is 2000 calorie deficit in a day.

There is no way you are going to gain 4lbs of muscle while in a 2000 calorie deficit while running 400mg of test.

To cut to the point...

Probably will take two cycles of 12 weeks to really get the look I thing you are hoping for.

[wango]

I would get more gear and run the test e for 12 weeks.

At, 244lbs and 25% body fat you have 61lbs of fat and 183lbs of lean body mass.
If you manage to get to 15% body fat at 220lbs you would have to lose 33lbs of fat while gaining 4lbs of muscle.

You would look like a new person but still wouldn't be ripped. You would be at the beginning of looking lean.

Now losing 33lbs of fat in 8 weeks is a tall order.
To lose a pound is 3500.
4 pounds in week is 14,000 calorie deficit which is 2000 calorie deficit in a day.

There is no way you are going to gain 4lbs of muscle while in a 2000 calorie deficit while running 400mg of test.

To cut to the point...

Probably will take two cycles of 12 weeks to really get the look I thing you are hoping for.

OP, I think this ^^^ is incredible advice. I train guys older than yourself, but have kept them (like myself) at TRT dosages of test only. I have found with some of my heavier clients that are going for more aggressive fat loss, they are able to keep more muscle courtesy of that small dosage. And as mr. small said, shoot for 2 pounds a week. However, what I’ve done is I intermittently work in more severe weeks, where we drop calories an additional 500 per day. I have gotten 3 pound losses regularly.

After 3 months you’re really getting at your target weight and then you can go into a cycle with a compound that assists in cutting, but you can up your calories and start to add muscle while continuing to lose fat. So now 6 months later (March/April), you’re already looking good for summer.

I’m new to the gear, but definitely know my way around training. Good luck.

[Hughinn]

33lbs lost and at 220 or so and looking leaner is exactly what I had in mind.

If I was to run the cycle of test e at 400mg a week for 12 weekes how bad would the pct be?

I'd almost rather do multiple shorter cycles because that seems like the best way to limit long term side effects. But I have no experience in the matter personally.

I have access to more test e and maybe a test-primo stack.
But what would pct look like?

[Hughinn]

I would get more gear and run the test e for 12 weeks.

At, 244lbs and 25% body fat you have 61lbs of fat and 183lbs of lean body mass.
If you manage to get to 15% body fat at 220lbs you would have to lose 33lbs of fat while gaining 4lbs of muscle.

You would look like a new person but still wouldn't be ripped. You would be at the beginning of looking lean.

Now losing 33lbs of fat in 8 weeks is a tall order.
To lose a pound is 3500.
4 pounds in week is 14,000 calorie deficit which is 2000 calorie deficit in a day.

There is no way you are going to gain 4lbs of muscle while in a 2000 calorie deficit while running 400mg of test.

To cut to the point...

Probably will take two cycles of 12 weeks to really get the look I thing you are hoping for.

What about running 300mg per week for ten weeks?

I'm not opposed to getting more gear, but I'd like to use the minimal amount I can get away with the first time around.

I'd like some results, but it's also about making a safe trial run and full recovery. And learning how my body and mind will react while on the gear. And how to administer it, etc.

[Mr. Small]

What about running 300mg per week for ten weeks?

I'm not opposed to getting more gear, but I'd like to use the minimal amount I can get away with the first time around.

I'd like some results, but it's also about making a safe trial run and full recovery. And learning how my body and mind will react while on the gear. And how to administer it, etc.

Minimal is 400mg per week. It's going to be week 5 before it kicks in, so it's your call for the duration really. I don't see why you don't run it for 12 weeks though. The recovery is not much different to a 10 week cycle.

[Hughinn]

Minimal is 400mg per week. It's going to be week 5 before it kicks in, so it's your call for the duration really. I don't see why you don't run it for 12 weeks though. The recovery is not much different to a 10 week cycle.

Hmm

I think I'll shoot for 12 weeks at 450mg. In that case.

I'm not a small guy, so I reckon that accounts for something as far as dosage.

[Hughinn]

First pin today.
It was no problem. Hardly felt it. I was expecting it to suck, but it wasn't bad.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll post updates and post cycle feedback.

Under advice here, I. Going 450g test e. 12 weeks. Clomid and novolex on hand for pct.

I'm of excited.

[Hughinn]

Alright guys, my first pin was last Friday morning. And one thing I learned already, is that pinning 450mg of test e is no joke.

My ass cheek is still swollen and tender. Youch! I think the wife stuck it in the wrong place too. No pain afterwards. But a day orr so later, tender.

She stuck my ass like id pissed her off. Pop! Push! Done! Maybe 10 seconds elapsed

Had a sore ass ever since. Starting to unswell finally yesterday. A little better today.

Since I can't pin myself in the ass, is there another option y'all use?

I got her watching videos on it now, hopefully it ain't as bad next time. I've only got 2 cheeks.

[charger69]

Alright guys, my first pin was last Friday morning. And one thing I learned already, is that pinning 450mg of test e is no joke.

My ass cheek is still swollen and tender. Youch! I think the wife stuck it in the wrong place too. No pain afterwards. But a day orr so later, tender.

She stuck my ass like id pissed her off. Pop! Push! Done! Maybe 10 seconds elapsed

Had a sore ass ever since. Starting to unswell finally yesterday. A little better today.

Since I can't pin myself in the ass, is there another option y'all use?

I got her watching videos on it now, hopefully it ain't as bad next time. I've only got 2 cheeks.

Do not piss off wifey!! She will literally be a pain in the ass! LOL

I am not going to assume that you don’t know anything. Make sure you swab the area with alcohol prior to pinning to clean the skin. I pin myself and you should get to that point. I draw with a 23 and pin with a 25g. When pinning in the VG and glutes. I usually pin daily so I use insulin syringes by backfilling them.
You do not want to use the same spot twice in a week. You will get a lot of scar tissue- another reason that I like insulin syringes. Very little scar tissue


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[Hughinn]

Insulin syringes must be different sizes?

I felt no pain going in with a 3cc cyringe and a 23g needle. But the fallout, was kinda rough.

I'm only doing once per week though.

Whats the difference in syringes?