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    Quote Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS View Post
    depending on which anthropologist you want to believe; even the "Indians" ...are even immigrants...
    According to science...
    We are all descendants from dark skinned Africans.

    According to religion...
    There are many different beliefs.
    According to the Jewish and Christian faith we are all descendants from massive inbreeding of Adam and Eve and then further massive inbreeding from Noah's family.

    There are so many religions with many different beliefs...
    I have come to believe in science.

    So I find in funny that white supremacists claim to love their white heritage when really deep down within they are African.

    A terrifying fact about human nature is that...
    My dog doesn't care what color fur another dog has but...
    Some people can't see past skin tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    According to science...
    We are all descendants from dark skinned Africans.

    According to religion...
    There are many different beliefs.
    According to the Jewish and Christian faith we are all descendants from massive inbreeding of Adam and Eve and then further massive inbreeding from Noah's family.

    There are so many religions with many different beliefs...
    I have come to believe in science.

    So I find in funny that white supremacists claim to love their white heritage when really deep down within they are African.

    A terrifying fact about human nature is that...
    My dog doesn't care what color fur another dog has but...
    Some people can't see past skin tone.


    In bold above. Depends on your take of the creation of Adam in the Genesis 1 vs "the man Adam" in Genesis 2.

    Won't start that discussion today, but have several Orthodox and Reformed Jewish friends that share my same beliefs....that all the races were created on the sixth day in Genesis 1, God rested, and the Adam of Genesis 2 was created on the 8th day. Many, many, lively discussions.

    As far as pride in myself because of skin color, not me. I take pride in trying to treat other people respectfully/ helping others, taking care of my wife, and in doing my best to do a good job.

    DD, the last paragraph I typed was for the thread in general, not in response to you, buddy. I'm in a rush getting things together before getting ready for work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Ehhh, I’ve always found these things to be patently stupid, no matter what marker is used. Being proud of things you have no control over is one of the weirdest things to ever develop in the human ego.
    Being proud of accomplishment? I get it.
    Being proud of achievement? I get it.
    Being proud of work ethic? Yeap.
    Being proud of having been born in a specific country to specific parents? The fuck? It’s like being proud of winning once at a casino. It’s just goofy and makes precisely no sense to me.
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    As far as pride in myself because of skin color, not me. I take pride in trying to treat other people respectfully/ helping others, taking care of my wife, and in doing my best to do a good job.
    These two posts sums it up for me. I always found the fixation on skin color bizarre. Having just left the country where whiteness is revered (India) and treatments to be white is very common I hope one day this is no longer an issue whatsoever.

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    Pride is one of mans greatest down falls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Pride is one of mans greatest down falls.
    Absolutely. People that have pride in their belief that they are better than others, look down on others, have no clue about humility, it is f-in disgusting.

    Pride in a good lift, doing a good job.... it's different. I wish there was an entirely different word for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Absolutely. People that have pride in their belief that they are better than others, look down on others, have no clue about humility, it is f-in disgusting.

    Pride in a good lift, doing a good job.... it's different. I wish there was an entirely different word for that.
    Proof that powerlifting is holier than bodybuilding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Proof that powerlifting is holier than bodybuilding.
    I can't argue against that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post

    Pride in a good lift, doing a good job.... it's different. I wish there was an entirely different word for that.
    Exactly my point, pride is doing a good job. Why find a better or alternative word? It’s those that associate it with supremacy over others that need to find another word and it’s supremacist.

    Being prideful & feeling supreme over another are in fact somewhat separate ideas. Thank you for confirming yet another of my points in my original post. That is that an individual cannot express pride in being a good white American citizen without somehow having that simple idea be linked with the negativity of supremacy.

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    Ugh....guess I'll wander on into work. 34°F and rain.

    Used to be I could tolerate the cold, mud, and craptacular weather so much better when I was young and would laugh at it. Now it would probably wreck me. Getting old.
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    Lmao I’m cold when it’s under 60 now, I used wear a sub-zeros body suit and well drill in 0 degree weather, snow/rain. I don’t know how I did it.
    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Ugh....guess I'll wander on into work. 34°F and rain.

    Used to be I could tolerate the cold, mud, and craptacular weather so much better when I was young and would laugh at it. Now it would probably wreck me. Getting old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Lmao I’m cold when it’s under 60 now, I used wear a sub-zeros body suit and well drill in 0 degree weather, snow/rain. I don’t know how I did it.
    Oh Lord, you too? Water wells as in bored wells and drilled wells?
    Supposedly I was too young to legally be doing the job because I was still in high school, but I used to work for a local well driller in addition to my after school job so I would have more $$. The absolute worst part of the job for me was when setting the casings for the bored wells if the didn't sit down one on top of the other. I do not miss riding the collet back down 30+ feet into the hole and physically seating 2 sections of casing by bracing my legs on the lower piece of casing and using my back to push the upper section around until the lip of one section dropped over the other section.

    Pulling and setting pumps wasn't too bad, but the crap of shoveling granite dust and mud away from the drilled wells when the hole was blasted out with air sucked in the winter.

    Climbing the mast on a drilling rig if a hose blew was pretty crappy too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    According to science...
    We are all descendants from dark skinned Africans.

    According to religion...
    There are many different beliefs.
    According to the Jewish and Christian faith we are all descendants from massive inbreeding of Adam and Eve and then further massive inbreeding from Noah's family.



    So I find in funny that white supremacists claim to love their white heritage when really deep down within they are African.

    A terrifying fact about human nature is that...
    My dog doesn't care what color fur another dog has but...
    Some people can't see past skin tone.
    Science, such as it is only an understanding and study of nature, clearly demonstrates that no two organisms on earth are equal to each other.

    Therefore, equality in the scientific sense is a lie. It's not possible. Nature and genetic variation has made this so.

    So why do you say, you believe in science, but also say you believe in equality? Once again you contradict yourself.

    Equality is a human idea, just like religion, and it has no basis in science. No example in nature can be found for it's existence. Not from single called organisms, nor bears, wolves, elephants.....or men. It's a religious human idea. With a political motive. Not scientific at all.

    [There are so many religions with many different beliefs...
    I have come to believe in science.
    ]

    Not really though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughinn View Post
    Science, such as it is only an understanding and study of nature, clearly demonstrates that no two organisms on earth are equal to each other.

    Therefore, equality in the scientific sense is a lie. It's not possible. Nature and genetic variation has made this so.

    So why do you say, you believe in science, but also say you believe in equality? Once again you contradict yourself.

    Equality is a human idea, just like religion, and it has no basis in science. No example in nature can be found for it's existence. Not from single called organisms, nor bears, wolves, elephants.....or men. It's a religious human idea. With a political motive. Not scientific at all.

    [There are so many religions with many different beliefs...
    I have come to believe in science.
    ]

    Not really though.
    All men are created equal doesn't mean all men are 6' and 200lbs.

    All men are created equal in rights.

    Nice try though.

    So I ask you...

    Do you believe that all men are created equal? (I mean equal in rights by the way...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    All men are created equal doesn't mean all men are 6' and 200lbs.

    All men are created equal in rights.

    Nice try though.

    So I ask you...

    Do you believe that all men are created equal? (I mean equal in rights by the way...)
    This is pretty much the crux of my argument. I want to see equality of opportunity, not some halfassed guarantee of equality of outcome.
    The first can be accomplished without having to limit or hamstring anyone. The second, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    All men are created equal doesn't mean all men are 6' and 200lbs.

    All men are created equal in rights.

    Nice try though.

    So I ask you...

    Do you believe that all men are created equal? (I mean equal in rights by the way...)
    Aaah, now we're getting somewhere DD.
    I knew you'd start to understand. Your questions are getting you closer to the truths I'm trying show you. Please keep pushing focused.


    All men are created equal in rights

    What are rights? You say men are created equal in rights, but we both know men are not created equal, so what are rights?

    Do we believe in religion or science?

    Rights are simply concessions given by superior organisms to inferior organisms DD. The hyenas have a right to the carcass IF they can run off and make the lion concede it. The antelope has a right to live IF it can evade the wolf pack, and the wolf pack has a right to eat IF it can run down the antelope.

    It's no different among men DD. Any rights granted by elite ro the citizens are given as a concession required by either the necessity of getting cooperation, or the threat of force if said rights are not conceded.

    Rights are not granted, nor bestowed by any divine being other than what nature has bestowed, or limited, by capabilities.

    The truth is that it's never been a question of rights, but one of capabilites. A people have the right to anything they are capable of taking, and keeping.



    Do you believe that all men are created equal?

    I believe we've established the fallacy in such a belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughinn View Post
    Aaah, now we're getting somewhere DD.
    I knew you'd start to understand. Your questions are getting you closer to the truths I'm trying show you. Please keep pushing focused.


    All men are created equal in rights

    What are rights? You say men are created equal in rights, but we both know men are not created equal, so what are rights?

    Do we believe in religion or science?

    Rights are simply concessions given by superior organisms to inferior organisms DD. Maybe that's what your Sunday school teaches but I disagree. The hyenas have a right to the carcass IF they can run off and make the lion concede it. The antelope has a right to live IF it can evade the wolf pack, and the wolf pack has a right to eat IF it can run down the antelope.

    It's no different among men DD. Any rights granted by elite ro the citizens are given as a concession required by either the necessity of getting cooperation, or the threat of force if said rights are not conceded.

    Rights are not granted, nor bestowed by any divine being other than what nature has bestowed, or limited, by capabilities.

    The truth is that it's never been a question of rights, but one of capabilites. A people have the right to anything they are capable of taking, and keeping. Maybe that is your definition. Have fun stealing and raping because you can get away with it. Your mother would be proud. I believe something like: Human rights are moral principles or norms that describe certain standards of human behaviour and are regularly protected in municipal and international law.



    Do you believe that all men are created equal?

    I believe we've established the fallacy in such a belief.
    Nice try.

    As Jesus said...
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    But no... I don't believe in religion.
    I do believe in scienece.
    I do believe in philosophy.

    Keep beating around the bush.

    I'll ask you directly...
    Do you believe white people are superior organisms to colored organisms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Nice try.

    As Jesus said...
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    But no... I don't believe in religion.
    I do believe in scienece.
    I do believe in philosophy.

    Keep beating around the bush.

    I'll ask you directly...
    Do you believe white people are superior organisms to colored organisms?


    Let's not beat around the bush. I'm trying to show you things. You're starting to see.



    I'll ask you directly...
    Do you believe white people are superior organisms to colored organisms?


    Simple answer is no. Because if white were superior organisms, they wouldn't be dying while everyone else is growing somewhat at thier expense.

    I'll now ask you directly,

    How can you quote religion to justify your beliefs on one hand, then claim not to believe in religion on the other?

    This is the root of your misunderstanding of political circumstances as well as your noble, but misguided hatred of "white" supremacy. But your unknowingly given support of real supremacist ideology

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughinn View Post
    Let's not beat around the bush. I'm trying to show you things. You're starting to see.



    I'll ask you directly...
    Do you believe white people are superior organisms to colored organisms?


    Simple answer is no. Because if white were superior organisms, they wouldn't be dying while everyone else is growing somewhat at thier expense. Got it... America is about 64% white... and the minority is keeping the majority down. Therefore the majority is obviously inferior if there are losing. You're a white inferioritist. Or a colored supremacist. It's tough being white in America. I know. I'm white. Feel your pain.

    I'll now ask you directly,

    How can you quote religion to justify your beliefs on one hand, then claim not to believe in religion on the other?
    I quoted a well known phrase of a religion. That phrase invokes a well believed philosophy. Got it?

    This is the root of your misunderstanding of political circumstances as well as your noble, but misguided hatred of "white" supremacy. But your unknowingly given support of real supremacist ideology
    White people are dying while everyone else is growing somewhat at their expense?!?!?!
    You and I seem very much alive to me.
    I would be willing to bet that white Americans have a longer life expectancy that the minorties.
    So spare me the rhetoric.

    You are scared that America is changing.
    Change is constant.
    We used to have slaves.
    Women couldn't vote.
    Gays couldn't marry.
    Black had lesser rights.
    Trump used to be President. (Kinda still is...)

    Thankfully times are a changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughinn View Post
    Let's not beat around the bush. I'm trying to show you things. You're starting to see.



    I'll ask you directly...
    Do you believe white people are superior organisms to colored organisms?


    Simple answer is no. Because if white were superior organisms, they wouldn't be dying while everyone else is growing somewhat at thier expense.

    I'll now ask you directly,

    How can you quote religion to justify your beliefs on one hand, then claim not to believe in religion on the other?

    This is the root of your misunderstanding of political circumstances as well as your noble, but misguided hatred of "white" supremacy. But your unknowingly given support of real supremacist ideology

    You're not showing anyone anything, you mental featherweight.

    So, by your logic, you have to disagree with everything in the Bible to not believe in the Christian religion? And if there is 1 thing, just 1 thing, that you agree with, you cannot "claim to not believe in religion." Wow dude, you're smart.

    And you keep falling back to white supremacy. Hatred of white supremacy doesn't mean supporting the supremacy of other races. It means that we have an understanding that supremacy of any kind is wrong, and we choose to be judged by our character and actions, not by the color of our skin.

    When we talk about equality, we're not talking about identical biological traits, genius, we're talking about equality as human beings.

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