So whats your take on this?

[Hughinn]

You need Jesus.

I've commuted more than 90 minutes for years. And many still do it today.

In northern nevada, the gold mines pick up workers in fridgid temperatures hours before dawn for a bus ride no shorter than 90 minutes to cold remote places. Then a 10 hour shift, and a ride home. Many of them are single parents.

Why is that a government problem?

[Ernst]

Pay no attention to the troll.

He comes from a country where they're literally still digging up the bodies of babies from the last time their government decided to 'help.'

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I've commuted more than 90 minutes for years. And many still do it today.

In northern nevada, the gold mines pick up workers in fridgid temperatures hours before dawn for a bus ride no shorter than 90 minutes to cold remote places. Then a 10 hour shift, and a ride home. Many of them are single parents.

Why is that a government problem?

My commute before Covid lockdown was 65 - 75 mins each way (so about 2hr 20min per day on the road five days per week).

I work about 8 hours a day in my current job, but in my last job I was working about 10 or 11 hours a day (once or twice might have done 12 hours).

Some of us have the hardiness and psychological resilience to work long hours on little sleep and spend 2 or 3 hours commuting. But I don't think that you should expect this from a single mother taking care of infant children. I don't deny that there are some single mothers who are as resilient as Rambo but you can't judge everyone by that standard.

I work 3 jobs one time and it really took a toll on me. When you're overworked, the first thing that goes wrong is that you stop eating as much. I couldn't imagine working three jobs and also taking care of a child.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

He comes from a country where they're literally still digging up the bodies of babies from the last time their government decided to 'help.'

I'm currently suing the group that did that. Hoping for a five or six figure payout.

[Gallowmere]

My commute before Covid lockdown was 65 - 75 mins each way (so about 2hr 20min per day on the road five days per week).

I work about 8 hours a day in my current job, but in my last job I was working about 10 or 11 hours a day (once or twice might have done 12 hours).

Some of us have the hardiness and psychological resilience to work long hours on little sleep and spend 2 or 3 hours commuting. But I don't think that you should expect this from a single mother taking care of infant children. I don't deny that there are some single mothers who are as resilient as Rambo but you can't judge everyone by that standard.

I work 3 jobs one time and it really took a toll on me. When you're overworked, the first thing that goes wrong is that you stop eating as much. I couldn't imagine working three jobs and also taking care of a child.

Stop eating as much, eh? Well, given the current collective American waistline, maybe we could use a bit more work and a bit less free time.

[Test Monsterone]

The one thing Americans are, is hard-working... almost to a fault. For some reason people here wear their being overworked by having 2-3 jobs as some kind of badge of honor. Because, apparently, that is what it means to be an American; to work 3 jobs and still not be able to afford your health insurance and your apartment.

And somehow the blue-collar folks who fall within this demographic of hard-working Americans that struggle to get by, keep siding with politicians that want to help everyone but them. Instead of asking why does the millionaire down the street pays less taxes than me, comparatively, they get caught up in abortion rights, religion, LGBTQ, and anti-progressive propaganda. They would rather believe their problems are caused by minorities, immigrants, and "socialism" (which most have no clue what that is, it just sounds bad so they support it) than by the corrupt politicians and non-beneficial policies they support.

The problem in America is greed and ignorance. There are plenty of countries in Europe that are overall happier and healthier and live in cleaner & safer environments than here. People here have been fed the idea that America is #1, and that may have been true in the 80's and 90's, but not so much nowadays.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

And guns, don't forget guns. I'm psychologically unhinged and I definitely would have perpetrated a mass shooting by now if I'd had access to real guns. Thankfully now in my 30s and I've found airsoft as an outlet.

But yeah pretty much every unhinged American can get a gun. We don't have that problem so much in Europe.

I look at the gun thing before even bothering touching anything else.

[Test Monsterone]

And guns, don't forget guns. I'm psychologically unhinged and I definitely would have perpetrated a mass shooting by now if I'd had access to real guns. Thankfully now in my 30s and I've found airsoft as an outlet.

But yeah pretty much every unhinged American can get a gun. We don't have that problem so much in Europe.

I look at the gun thing before even bothering touching anything else.

And guns, you're right.

[Ernst]

Maybe if you had better access to guns you'd have won your independence from England by now LOL.

And FYI you'd be barred from gun ownership in the US because of your mental health issues.

Probably 99.99% of gun crime in this country is young black men in gangs killing each other with illegal firearms but no one wants to say it out loud because it's "racist." We can argue how perhaps systemically racist policies got us here, but that's the hard truth for now.

Gun crime in the US is honestly not a problem the average, middle-class American citizen lives with.

I and almost everyone I know owns guns. I have been trained by military and law enforcement to use them properly. This training is readily available in the US to any law-abiding citizen.

We don't live in constant fear of being killed. I know one person who was murdered (jealous boyfriend with a knife) and one person who was shot (quite certain he was asking for it).

[Fluidic Kimbo]

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And FYI you'd be barred from gun ownership in the US because of your mental health issues.

I would have killed someone before I was adjudicated mentally defective.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Probably 99.99% of gun crime in this country is young black men in gangs killing each other with illegal firearms Absolute bullshit claim. but no one wants to say it out loud because it's "racist." We can argue how perhaps systemically racist policies got us here, but that's the hard truth for now.

Acccording to the FBI...

Whites committed as many homicides as blacks did.

So unless all these whites are stabbing people and hanging people then I imagine that 99.99% of gun crime is not young black men.



https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-3.xls

I am not saying all homicides are caused by guns.
I am not saying all gun crimes cause homicides.

I am simply pointing out that the claim that 99.9% of gun crimes is caused by young black men is absurd.

I am pro-gun for the record.

[Ernst]

Don't see why if you wanted a killing spree ypu wouldn't just use any othe other hundreds of methods of killling people if guns were not available to you.

Many of the most famous serial killers didn't need or use guns.

[Honkey_Kong]

I would have killed someone before I was adjudicated mentally defective.

You had access to hardware and pool supply stores prior to being declared crazy. If you were as homicidal as you claim, why didn't you? The fact of the matter is that a psychopath wanting to kill people is impossible to stop through legislation. Getting rid of people's access to guns only stops law abiding citizens from having the ability to defend themselves against people like you and tyrannical governments.

[Test Monsterone]

Don't see why if you wanted a killing spree ypu wouldn't just use any othe other hundreds of methods of killling people if guns were not available to you.

Many of the most famous serial killers didn't need or use guns.

I would call them infamous, not famous ;-)

Serial killers are not equivalent to mass shooters. They kill one at a time, over a long period of time. They typically prey on unsuspecting females that are smaller and weaker than them.


If there are hundreds of other methods of killing people as quickly and efficiently as guns, then why do the vast majority of mass murders happen with the aid of guns?


Remember Columbine? Their bombs didn't go off, but their guns worked.


I agree that in relation to population size, blacks tend to be victims of their own self-imposed gun violence more so than any other race. Personally, I don't go to the hood these days. I don't involve myself with shady people. I'm more worried about an old white guy with radical views that has an obsession with guns than any one kid with a 9 in "da hood." Vegas anyone?

[Ernst]

What did that slide prove? Numbers of murders by race?

Didn't take into account gun crime specifically nor the fact that blacks are a much smaller portion of the population.

Admittedly I hyperbolize but I do actually have a college degree in Social and Behavioral Sciences and studied this stuff. I am perfectly willing to admit that I haven't looked the numbers in well over a decade and have no idea what current stats exactly look like.

Another fun fact: blacks are way more likely to plead out to a lesser sentence because of less adequate legal representation, resulting in increased incarceration rates.

[Gallowmere]

I would call them infamous, not famous ;-)

Serial killers are not equivalent to mass shooters. They kill one at a time, over a long period of time. They typically prey on unsuspecting females that are smaller and weaker than them.


If there are hundreds of other methods of killing people as quickly and efficiently as guns, then why do the vast majority of mass murders happen with the aid of guns?


Remember Columbine? Their bombs didn't go off, but their guns worked.


I agree that in relation to population size, blacks tend to be victims of their own self-imposed gun violence more so than any other race. Personally, I don't go to the hood these days. I don't involve myself with shady people. I'm more worried about an old white guy with radical views that has an obsession with guns than any one kid with a 9 in "da hood." Vegas anyone?

Ehh, same reason suicide rates by firearm are higher than most other methods here. Guns are easy to use and extremely efficient. Compare to say, the Oklahoma City bombing, far more lethal than any mass shooting to date (and would have been far worse if not for him picking a ‘bad’ day), but required a bit more more planning and a bit more expertise. The supplies for that though, are FAR easier to get than any firearm these days.
So yeah, you can’t legislate away crazy, as Gabby Giffords found out the hard way.

[Ernst]

We have seen mass killings all over the world with knives, guns, trucks, bombs, bombs on trucks, etc.

If people want to get their kill on then they will.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I just don't like bullshit statements like 99.9% of gun crimes are done by young black men.

I will agree that black men commit statistically more crime.

I am pro-gun.
I just don't agree with making racist claims to try to defend the 2nd amendment.

You are trying to say that white men commit virtually no crimes with guns therefore white men should be able to have guns.

But your statistic is pure bullshit.

Do blacks commit more gun crimes per person than whites... sure... I'll buy that.
But plenty of whites commit crimes with guns.

Argue pro-gun with honor.
Not with lies.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

A responsible American gun owner who has a genuine interest in guns and shooting would probably be able to get a Firearms License over here in the UK. You just need to have a few conversations with the chief of police in your area to verify your suitability to have acceas to a lethal weapon. Obs wouldn't be granted one though.

[Test Monsterone]

I say before we place more restrictions on guns (that aren't common sense things like crazy people can't own them), I think we should place more restrictions on music that promotes gun violence or violence in general. You wouldn't believe how much music out there outright encourages violence, and most of it is within hip hop. I grew up listening and loving hip hop (Dr. Dre, Tupac, Beastie Boys, Biggie, etc.) but the tough-guy shoot em up mentality mixed with a dysfunctional family and poverty is what gets a lot of black youth in trouble and raises their gun violence statistics.

You can't say music is just entertainment. Music is a huge part of culture, values and upbringing.

[Ernst]

But your statistic is pure bullshit.

Argue pro-gun with honor.
Not with lies.

You know as well as I do that wasn't meant to be a factual stat so get off your soapbox.

Post the real numbers. Gun homicides by race. Great if you can get race of perpetrator.

[Ernst]

A responsible American gun owner who has a genuine interest in guns and shooting would probably be able to get a Firearms License over here in the UK. You just need to have a few conversations with the chief of police in your area to verify your suitability to have acceas to a lethal weapon. Obs wouldn't be granted one though.

It varies state to state here.

I don't think any state is as strict as the UK, though.

Here I have to pass a written test and safety demonstration to let a card/license. I get background checks for all firearms and ammunition purchases. Lots of goverment fees associated with these processes. Certain classes and features of firearms are banned (mostly for looking scary if we're being honest). If you are a citizen in good standing you can come back after a waiting period and get your gun.

Body armor anyone can buy as long as they aren't a convicted felon and frankly no one checks.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Probably 99.99% of gun crime in this country is young black men in gangs killing each other with illegal firearms but no one wants to say it out loud because it's "racist."

I am sorry that I didn't view your statement as hyperbole.

I was agitated and quick to jump.

I will now take a timeout up here on my soapbox.

Note: I did edit the fuck out of this comment. Clearer heads prevail.

[wango]

I look at the gun thing before even bothering touching anything else.

Disagree. I think people need to apply for a license to have kids. Then if deemed unfit for a variety of reasons (financial being one of them), then it’s a no-go. Have a kid without a license, fines and jail time. What to do with the kid however, hmmmm? Aside from that particular hiccup, a lot of problems solved.

[Test Monsterone]

Disagree. I think people need to apply for a license to have kids. Then if deemed unfit for a variety of reasons (financial being one of them), then it’s a no-go. Have a kid without a license, fines and jail time. What to do with the kid however, hmmmm? Aside from that particular hiccup, a lot of problems solved.

I agree, we need population control. Humans are the biggest burden on society. It seems like it's always the people who should not be reproducing that have the most kids...

[wango]

I agree, we need population control. Humans are the biggest burden on society. It seems like it's always the people who should not be reproducing that have the most kids...

Seriously. Having a kid should not be an afterthought of having sex. The school system is being flooded with problem kids without interested parents to oversee them or even feed them. Since when does education involve providing free meals? Then post graduation (IF they graduate), the cycle begins again.

I’m not saying that all kids coming from challenged home settings will fail and continue the cycle, but ffs, it’s not the country’s job to raise your kid. It ain’t the kids fault, it’s the “parents”.

[Test Monsterone]

Seriously. Having a kid should not be an afterthought of having sex. The school system is being flooded with problem kids without interested parents to oversee them or even feed them. Since when does education involve providing free meals? Then post graduation (IF they graduate), the cycle begins again.

I’m not saying that all kids coming from challenged home settings will fail and continue the cycle, but ffs, it’s not the country’s job to raise your kid. It ain’t the kids fault, it’s the “parents”.

Back in the old days, disease and malnutrition reduced the population. My grandfather in the old country had 4 other siblings that died when they were kids. In this country everyone has a chance and bad decisions are often buffered by society, such as welfare programs. I’m not against welfare programs when used correctly and temporarily.

I hear you on the issue with parents expecting schools and teachers to raise their kids. First of all, you can barely reprimand kids in school, so how are you gonna deal with some bad ass, disrespectful kids, that don’t care if they get in trouble because that’s the least of their problems and their parents are addicts anyhow?

I say we all live by the same rules. If you want kids, you need to have an intelligence test, drug test, and prove you are able to afford them. And even then, there should be a limit. Men that can’t take care of their kids should have a mandatory vasectomy. Women who can’t support their kids should get their tubes tied. The money that is saved from welfare and other social programs should go toward these procedures. We’ll have less poverty, crime, and traffic. I probably sound like Hitler right now, so I’m gonna stop.

[Ernst]

https://youtu.be/YwZ0ZUy7P3E

[wango]

Back in the old days, disease and malnutrition reduced the population. My grandfather in the old country had 4 other siblings that died when they were kids. In this country everyone has a chance and bad decisions are often buffered by society, such as welfare programs. I’m not against welfare programs when used correctly and temporarily.

I hear you on the issue with parents expecting schools and teachers to raise their kids. First of all, you can barely reprimand kids in school, so how are you gonna deal with some bad ass, disrespectful kids, that don’t care if they get in trouble because that’s the least of their problems and their parents are addicts anyhow?

I say we all live by the same rules. If you want kids, you need to have an intelligence test, drug test, and prove you are able to afford them. And even then, there should be a limit. Men that can’t take care of their kids should have a mandatory vasectomy. Women who can’t support their kids should get their tubes tied. The money that is saved from welfare and other social programs should go toward these procedures. We’ll have less poverty, crime, and traffic. I probably sound like Hitler right now, so I’m gonna stop.

No, don’t stop. Having multiple kids that can’t be supported and are left up to the country to deal with is a serious issue.

I can only wonder what the costs are to society of dealing with kids that parents can’t raise and the country is expected to. I mean Fluid made a comment about a mom having three jobs to make ends meet. That’s commendable, but before she had the kids or came here with the kids from another country, that should have been planned for & it shouldn’t be my problem.

Sorry, I’m fascinated with our eugenics past. In the 20’s we started sterilizing individuals just like this and their off-spring that simply just kept pro-creating but could not stay out of jail or provide from themselves and families. We would have been a much different nation if Hitler didn’t take a page from our eugenics book and took it to another level. Gallow speaks of social Darwinism, that’s precisely where the eugenics program started.

[wango]

[Test Monsterone]

Ehh, same reason suicide rates by firearm are higher than most other methods here. Guns are easy to use and extremely efficient. Compare to say, the Oklahoma City bombing, far more lethal than any mass shooting to date (and would have been far worse if not for him picking a ‘bad’ day), but required a bit more more planning and a bit more expertise. The supplies for that though, are FAR easier to get than any firearm these days.
So yeah, you can’t legislate away crazy, as Gabby Giffords found out the hard way.

Sorry for the late response. I definitely agree with you, guns are just easier than anything if you can get one. And because of that, they are much more likely to be used during a personal, but otherwise passing, crisis. It only takes one bullet to take a life, and, as they say, one bad decision.

To do the kind of thing McVeigh did required much more thought, planning, and coordination. I'd say that the Vegas mass shooting was pretty well thought-out, but even that paled in comparison to the Oklahoma City bombing.

I would also argue that getting guns is pretty easy in this country. I've gotten one myself. It's also easy to use a gun. Remember that latin singer, Selena? That bitch who killed her, Yolanda Saldovar, never shot a gun in her life before she murdered Selena with one bullet. If you are talking about a shotgun or a rifle with multiple rounds, anyone can be a mass murderer. It is only because most licensed gun owners are decent human beings that something like this doesn't happen every day.

That's the real argument against gun control imo... that with all the guns out there, hardly any mass shootings happen considering the size of our population.

[kelkel]

I'd say that the Vegas mass shooting was pretty well thought-out

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the government ever gave an answer as to why he did it?

[wango]

Sorry for the late response. I definitely agree with you, guns are just easier than anything if you can get one. And because of that, they are much more likely to be used during a personal, but otherwise passing, crisis. It only takes one bullet to take a life, and, as they say, one bad decision.

To do the kind of thing McVeigh did required much more thought, planning, and coordination. I'd say that the Vegas mass shooting was pretty well thought-out, but even that paled in comparison to the Oklahoma City bombing.

I would also argue that getting guns is pretty easy in this country. I've gotten one myself. It's also easy to use a gun. Remember that latin singer, Selena? That bitch who killed her, Yolanda Saldovar, never shot a gun in her life before she murdered Selena with one bullet. If you are talking about a shotgun or a rifle with multiple rounds, anyone can be a mass murderer. It is only because most licensed gun owners are decent human beings that something like this doesn't happen every day.

That's the real argument against gun control imo... that with all the guns out there, hardly any mass shootings happen considering the size of our population.

Reading the book that the McVeigh knucklehead loved right now & guided him to the bombing. Very happy, I grabbed it before Amazon dropped it very recently. Not at the point of the bombing yet, but it’s definitely a hoot thus far. THIS is the book that helped fuel this uprise? God help us all.

[SampsonandDelilah]

I just don't like bullshit statements like 99.9% of gun crimes are done by young black men.

I will agree that black men commit statistically more crime.

I am pro-gun.
I just don't agree with making racist claims to try to defend the 2nd amendment.

You are trying to say that white men commit virtually no crimes with guns therefore white men should be able to have guns.

But your statistic is pure bullshit.

Do blacks commit more gun crimes per person than whites... sure... I'll buy that.
But plenty of whites commit crimes with guns.

Argue pro-gun with honor.
Not with lies.

Did you know that 77% of all statistics are actually made up on the spot?

[wango]

Did you know that 77% of all statistics are actually made up on the spot?

77%. Was that made on the spot too, lol?

[almostgone]

Did you know that 77% of all statistics are actually made up on the spot?

Did you know marriage is the leading cause of divorce?

[wango]

Did you know marriage is the leading cause of divorce?

I thought it was lawyers.

[almostgone]

I thought it was lawyers.

Nope, lawyers are the leading cause of litigation.

[wango]

Nope, lawyers are the leading cause of litigation.

OK, see your point there. But, who made the husband and wife as being legally wedded? Who made the constitution of marriage? Who made those being married? Blame them.

Hey, just joshing. Getting ready for tomorrow’s shenanigans. Keeping my spirits light & bright tonight.

[Test Monsterone]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the government ever gave an answer as to why he did it?

From what I remember he was some rich dude with a southeast Asian girlfriend. I don’t think they found a motive. I’m assuming it was some dark fantasy that built up in him and he said f it one day and did it.

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lol @ the previous posts

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Wango - what book is that?