Dig Your Own Grave

[META99]

Do you think that there is some sort of force that is making the flowers bloom and the trees grow higher? Some people refer to this force as 'mother nature'. Some people think that it is mother nature that practices photosynthesis to use energy from the sun's electromagnetic waves to create and power things. Sames goes for the tide and waterfalls, some people think it's mother nature that's doing that.

Well, I believe in science that explains those things. I believe that matter, elements, gases and liquids of many types create certain energy. And those things create air and weather and soil conditions. The sun of course is also a factor of course. Life on earth was created by the elements that exist here. I don’t call it Mother Nature. Life on earth has been explained in science.


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[Fluidic Kimbo]

So do you see science as your creator? As the creator of all things?

[META99]

So do you see science as your creator? As the creator of all things?

Not science per se, but what is defined by science as a study


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[Fluidic Kimbo]

Not science per se, but what is defined by science as a study

Which begs the question:
Who or what is it that is doing this defining?

Are you simply referring to the people who figured things out, such as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, or are you referring to something else?

[META99]

Which begs the question:
Who or what is it that is doing this defining?

Are you simply referring to the people who figured things out, such as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, or are you referring to something else?

Yes. I suppose that’s the direction we can go. But many scientists have existed, and in time, have defined many things. Too many to even speak of in one conversation. That said, scientists are defining new things in space and time and molecules all the time. Even defined the beginning of earth.


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[Fluidic Kimbo]

Yes. I suppose that’s the direction we can go. But many scientists have existed, and in time, have defined many things. Too many to even speak of in one conversation. That said, scientists are defining new things in space and time and molecules all the time. Even defined the beginning of earth.

I disagree with you here. Newton and Einstein simply observed something that was defined by someone/something else.

Just because Newton and Einstein were the first people to observe these things and to describe them, doesn't mean that they defined them. That's sort of like saying I designed the octopus because I was the first person to go down in a submarine and see one.

[META99]

I disagree with you here. Newton and Einstein simply observed something that was defined by someone/something else.

Just because Newton and Einstein were the first people to observe these things and to describe them, doesn't mean that they defined them. That's sort of like saying I designed the octopus because I was the first person to go down in a submarine and see one.

Ok, I’m not saying all the amazing things that the above scientists discovered or defined are suddenly there because they did discover them. Yes they were there before. That seems criminal to think that way. By defining things in math and science, such as astronomy, biology, dynamics and physics, we can apply those things to how life began on earth. And saying “oh well it’s because God did it”, doesn’t seem like a mindful approach to our existence. But I will say even Charles Darwin believed in God and he was the father of evolution. But I do get it, you can’t disprove that some “force” wasn’t there to start the whole thing. Your argument, if I understand, is saying who is to say god did mint out the gases and proteins in the universe to begin life”.
I don’t worship scientists. I do believe their work. I certainly would never worship Max Planck just because he discovered quantum physics. Quantum physics existed before but now we have something to call it. Now and However there also many people out there that believe we are all genetic descendente of the Bible’s Adam and Eve. Which I can’t even have that conversation


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