Mn v. Chauvin starts Monday, 3/8/21, I hope they throw the book at this cop. Among...

[NiceGuyResearcher]

Mn v. Chauvin starts Monday, 3/8/21, I hope they throw the book at this cop. Among... other reasons, it's the right thing to do,


another reason? idk if some of you all are too young to remember the rodney king riots all across California?

anyway, he had his knee on his throat, the carotid artery and not on the back; plus he used his hand in his pocket to bear down more weight

plus, what he did obviously looks like wrongdoing to layperson and expert
he also had lots of write ups for not being a good cop

they need to do this right and right the 1st time: from jury selection to having the right attorneys ask the right questions, etc., the avoidance of giving this officer Chauvin a slap on the wrist, but instead 20 or more years would avoid a riot etc violence in the streets, and make 2021 still a good year

this is the kind of thing that should be forseen and planned for...

[XnavyHMCS]

I am of the belief that there are two sides to the story, and not just the video which we have seen. Both parties made critical errors on that day.

Unfortunately for our hardworking LEOs, the arrest culminated (for whatever reason/s) in the death of a scumbag. Which ignited the unrest exhibited in cities across the country (Why don't the white people riot like that when LE kills one of our race? Perhaps it is due to the fact that we are too busy going to work, struggling to advance ourselves and our families in the face of adversity...), tarring all LE with the same brush and giving a proverbial black eye to the profession.

I am not a cop. And I have been arrested more than once in the USA and foreign countries (I hade what one might call a "colorful" career.), and I never had a problem with American peace officers. Why? Most likely because I obeyed their commands and kept my mouth shut. Of course, this excludes my verbal sparring with Naval Criminal Investigative Service (Gents, that's a thread in itself, for the forum. It has all the elements: AAS, lies, letters handwritten, an alleged sexual assault, betrayal by supposed brothers, guys that lost their careers and one or two that didn't. One helluv a tale...!!!).

I am a firm believer that Chauvin, culpable or not, will hang. The nation must offer up a sacrificial lamb as a salve to assuage the angry masses.

In any event, we are set to see. Sit back, grab some popcorn; it should be quite a show.

[Hughinn]

Mn v. Chauvin starts Monday, 3/8/21, I hope they throw the book at this cop. Among... other reasons, it's the right thing to do,


another reason? idk if some of you all are too young to remember the rodney king riots all across California?

anyway, he had his knee on his throat, the carotid artery and not on the back; plus he used his hand in his pocket to bear down more weight

plus, what he did obviously looks like wrongdoing to layperson and expert
he also had lots of write ups for not being a good cop

they need to do this right and right the 1st time: from jury selection to having the right attorneys ask the right questions, etc., the avoidance of giving this officer Chauvin a slap on the wrist, but instead 20 or more years would avoid a riot etc violence in the streets, and make 2021 still a good year

this is the kind of thing that should be forseen and planned for...

I am of the belief that there are two sides to the story, and not just the video which we have seen. Both parties made critical errors on that day.

Unfortunately for our hardworking LEOs, the arrest culminated (for whatever reason/s) in the death of a scumbag. Which ignited the unrest exhibited in cities across the country (Why don't the white people riot like that when LE kills one of our race? Perhaps it is due to the fact that we are too busy going to work, struggling to advance ourselves and our families in the face of adversity...), tarring all LE with the same brush and giving a proverbial black eye to the profession.

I am not a cop. And I have been arrested more than once in the USA and foreign countries (I hade what one might call a "colorful" career.), and I never had a problem with American peace officers. Why? Most likely because I obeyed their commands and kept my mouth shut. Of course, this excludes my verbal sparring with Naval Criminal Investigative Service (Gents, that's a thread in itself, for the forum. It has all the elements: AAS, lies, letters handwritten, an alleged sexual assault, betrayal by supposed brothers, guys that lost their careers and one or two that didn't. One helluv a tale...!!!).

I am a firm believer that Chauvin, culpable or not, will hang. The nation must offer up a sacrificial lamb as a salve to assuage the angry masses.

In any event, we are set to see. Sit back, grab some popcorn; it should be quite a show.

It was and is going to be quite a show. It was, after all intended to be spectacle, to illicit a prescribed response.

At any other time, the officer responsible would face the criminal charges in his community, judged and punished accordingly. But because this event happened in an election year, and the "orange menace" had to be removed at all cost by the ruling establishment, it was politicized in order to divide the country. Just look VP Harriscalling another scumbag a "hero" for pulling a knife on the police. Then setting up accounts to bail out criminal rioters helping her cause of spreading hatred and division.

The direction this trial goes, and the extent to which it gets politicized is entirely dependent upon what the ruling class determines it can gain by inciting more division and civil unrest.

They do still need to divert attention away from escalating troop deployment in the middle east and from stealing a trillion dollars in a bogus covid bailout. So someone may need to be publicly sacrificed to provide a distraction.

Pay attention to the sidelines gentleman. Thats where the game plays are called.

[XnavyHMCS]

It was and is going to be quite a show. It was, after all intended to be spectacle, to illicit a prescribed response.

At any other time, the officer responsible would face the criminal charges in his community, judged and punished accordingly. But because this event happened in an election year, and the "orange menace" had to be removed at all cost by the ruling establishment, it was politicized in order to divide the country. Just look VP Harris calling another scumbag a "hero" for pulling a knife on the police. Then setting up accounts to bail out criminal rioters helping her cause of spreading hatred and division.

The direction this trial goes, and the extent to which it gets politicized is entirely dependent upon what the ruling class determines it can gain by inciting more division and civil unrest.

They do still need to divert attention away from escalating troop deployment in the middle east and from stealing a trillion dollars in a bogus covid bailout. So someone may need to be publicly sacrificed to provide a distraction.

Pay attention to the sidelines gentleman. Thats where the game plays are called.

I can say only two things in response:

Eloquently stated.

I wholeheartedly agree with you here, brother.

[Mooseman33]

this one will get ugly.

Im just happy in florida we can run over protestors in the streets now. but this one is going to cause alot of bullshit

[Cuz]

this one will get ugly.

Im just happy in florida we can run over protestors in the streets now. but this one is going to cause alot of bullshit

I didnt know it was legal in Florida already but i seen where Tennessee was about to make it legal to run a protester over blocking a roadway. Thats major progress.

[NiceGuyResearcher]

when i wrote "it just looks bad" (what chauvin did) is actually a tenet in government service. "avoid even the appearance of impropriety"

if he took a deep breath and stepped back from the situation, he would have wanted to avoid just looking bad,

like him or not we had a bold president for the last 4 years who didn't give a F about how stuff looked, if it looked bad, he blamed the media

mind, you this was a president who never held a government office or worked in a gov't civil service job
so that speaks volumes

and people started following his example, including maybe fmr OFC Chauvin

[almostgone]

Guys, discussion is fine, but let's leave the disrespectful slurs out of the conversation. Just because we may not like or approve of the current administration is no reason to refer to them with negative descriptions.

Please keep it civil.

[wango]

I think this is going to have the impact of the (Rodney King + O.J. trial) x10 = . . . . . . .

Put on your seatbelts America, turbulence is ahead.

I always loved the subtlety of the fastening of the seatbelt right before this chase.

[Hughinn]

when i wrote "it just looks bad" (what chauvin did) is actually a tenet in government service. "avoid even the appearance of impropriety"

if he took a deep breath and stepped back from the situation, he would have wanted to avoid just looking bad,

like him or not we had a bold president for the last 4 years who didn't give a F about how stuff looked, if it looked bad, he blamed the media

mind, you this was a president who never held a government office or worked in a gov't civil service job
so that speaks volumes

and people started following his example, including maybe fmr OFC Chauvin

That particular officer had received multiple complaints and had faced disciplinary actions several time in his career. The real question is why was he still a police officer?
This was a bad cop way before Donald Trump. I don't understand how your tying the behavior of a career long bad cop to Donald Trump, but you do bring up an interesting point. He didn't appear at all to care that he was a civil servant of the general public.

But his attitude as such is not, and has not been uncommon in law enforcement circles for many years. It's nearing the point that a good, honest police officer who sees himself as a public servant needs to watch his back from the corruption in his own department.

[XnavyHMCS]

this one will get ugly.

Im just happy in florida we can run over protestors in the streets now. but this one is going to cause alot of bullshit

Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6, so the saying goes.

Certainly, after Reginald Denny, if my vehicle is ever blocked, it will be "pedal to the metal" / "Damn the torpedoes; full-speed ahead", with a trail of broken bodies left in my wake.

I do not see a difference between being in the privacy of your own car as a law abiding citizen and the Castle Laws which are on the books in many states. Why are they blocking the road? Are they soliciting for the Salvation Army??? WTF...!!!

Damn strait!!!

[XnavyHMCS]

That particular officer had received multiple complaints and had faced disciplinary actions several time in his career. The real question is why was he still a police officer?
This was a bad cop way before Donald Trump. I don't understand how your tying the behavior of a career long bad cop to Donald Trump, but you do bring up an interesting point. He didn't appear at all to care that he was a civil servant of the general public.

But his attitude as such is not, and has not been uncommon in law enforcement circles for many years. It's nearing the point that a good, honest police officer who sees himself as a public servant needs to watch his back from the corruption in his own department.

I would look with a jaundiced-eye on what the news media says about DC. I am not from Minneapolis, so I cannot claim inside knowledge concerning his record as a peace officer.

Perhaps he has had numerous complaints, but complaints, in and of themselves do not constitute guilt or delineate a "bad cop". Who made the complaints, some crackhead? What were the outcomes of the investigations? Did the news media see an opportunity to fan the flames, by bringing up his record (A record, of which I believe that we can safely say, nobody who is a member here really has intimate knowledge; we are purely echoing and speculating...???)

I also do not agree with drawing any correlations with Pres. Trump; I seriously doubt that was influencing any of the actions seen on the cellphone recordings. But hey, let's blame Trump... AGAIN... (I know that the post which I have quoted is NOT the post eluding to the past CIC, excuse me.)

"Power goes to your head" we say... "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely", we also say that... The footage of the arrest definitely reflects poorly on all the officers on the scene that day. You mean to tell me, with the suspect cuffed, what was it, 4 guys, couldn't control him...? The training cell better rethink what the hell they are doing and just what product they are releasing upon the populace to "serve and protect". The footage we did see is damning.

Being awarded that badge upon graduation from the academy bestows on the freshly frocked LEO great power, but this power also comes with equal or greater responsibility and accountability. "Held to a higher standard" is a phrase that comes to mind for me... We are set to see just what the outcome will be.

[redz]

The flip to this is that he could be found not guilty to cause more chaos. That’s what I thought as soon as it initially happened. It’s all a psyop, nothing in the video made sense.

[Beetlegeuse]

Chauvin was following department policy. He correctly surmised that Floyd was suffering from a drug overdose and applied a neck restraint as he was trained to do to limit the damage.

This is cut-and-pasted verbatim from the Minneapolis Police's own training manual:

5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

i. DEFINITIONS

Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)


ii. PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS

A. The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)

B. The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)

1. On a subjects who is exhibiting active aggression, or;

2. For life saving purposes, or;

3. On a subjects who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.

Chauvin was implementing department policy to the letter.

Have you ever been trained in the Heimlich maneuver? One of the things you're taught is always to ask first if the 'victim' wants you to perform it. If they have enough breath to answer you, you don't do it to them because people who can talk are breathing. Anyone who tells you repeatedly that they can't breathe IS LYING. George Floyd told Officer Chauvin that he could not breathe at least six times, and at least five of them were lies.

Floyd had arteriosclerotic heart disease, hypertensive heart disease and was suffering from a self-inflicted (and probably lethal) overdose of fentanyl (combined with methamphetamine and THC). He killed himself, end of story.

[warchild]

Floyd died from an od of meth and fentanyl. Basically a speed ball with his cardiac condition it was a lethal mix. I think the cop was following dept procedure and hope he gets off and sues. He was fired within a day of the investigation and charged shortly after. Floyd was a career criminal and drug abuser made out to be a saint. Just like the michael brown case. You can mention the complaints against chauvin beforehand, there was less than 1 a year...for a cop on that beat that aint bad.

[Cuz]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-6-...224237131.html

So I guess this isnt the typical juror selection as we have down here in my state. Wonder who is picking the jurors, kinda like Stalin said its not the votes that count its who counts them...

[XnavyHMCS]

Gents,

Let's enjoy this thread while we can; before Kimbo comes in and upsets the apple-cart.

(Just a joke.)

[Beetlegeuse]

... Last June, 60% in a USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll described Floyd's death as murder; that percentage has now dropped by double digits to 36%....

So 36% of Americans either are ignorant of the facts in the case or don't they care what the facts are because they suffer from persecution complex and are fixated on seeing a demon behind every silver star.

[Hughinn]

... Last June, 60% in a USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll described Floyd's death as murder; that percentage has now dropped by double digits to 36%....

So 36% of Americans either are ignorant of the facts in the case or don't they care what the facts are because they suffer from persecution complex and are fixated on seeing a demon behind every silver star.

Many jurors have declined serving out ofvfearvfor thier lives from the woke mob.

Mr. Floyd was heavily drugged and likely died of an overdose.

If dc is not convicted, the jurors fear the woke mob will come after them. Facts be damned.

The real shame is that dc isn't going to get a fair trial, the basic tenet of our society. Without it, what else is there?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Chauvin was following department policy. He correctly surmised that Floyd was suffering from a drug overdose and applied a neck restraint as he was trained to do to limit the damage.

This is cut-and-pasted verbatim from the Minneapolis Police's own training manual:

5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

i. DEFINITIONS

Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)


ii. PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS

A. The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)

B. The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)

1. On a subjects who is exhibiting active aggression, or;

2. For life saving purposes, or;

3. On a subjects who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.

Chauvin was implementing department policy to the letter.

Have you ever been trained in the Heimlich maneuver? One of the things you're taught is always to ask first if the 'victim' wants you to perform it. If they have enough breath to answer you, you don't do it to them because people who can talk are breathing. Anyone who tells you repeatedly that they can't breathe IS LYING. George Floyd told Officer Chauvin that he could not breathe at least six times, and at least five of them were lies. It seems obvious to me that he was complaining that he was having trouble breathing.

Floyd had arteriosclerotic heart disease, hypertensive heart disease and was suffering from a self-inflicted (and probably lethal) overdose of fentanyl (combined with methamphetamine and THC). He killed himself, end of story. He sure seemed alive when he first got arrested. I guess you are saying it was a delayed overdose.

He was following department policy but he missed the part that said non-lethal.

I will let the jurors decide his fate.

However, I will say that it should be a rule that when a man is lying down, handcuffed, with 3 people on top of him...
A fourth officer shouldn't then use a neck constraint.

Why?
Because it may kill a man who is already subdued.

If 4 officers can't handle a man on the ground in handcuffs then more training is needed.

I am in no way saying Floyd was an angel.
But there was zero need to put the man in a neck restraint for 8+ minutes.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Usually we Europeans are entertained by your wild crazy news from America, but right now in England a cop has been arrested and charged with abducting and murdering a 33 year old woman. Her remains were found in a wooded area. Mad shit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-56351135

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Anyone who tells you repeatedly that they can't breathe IS LYING.

I'm not a doctor or even a nurse, but I think that the air flow required for speech is far far less than the airflow required to oxygenate our blood.

So let's say we need 100 grams of air per minute to remain alive, and let's say we need only 15 grams of air per minute to speak, well a person getting 50 grams of air per minute could still speak while only getting one seventh of the air they need to stay alive.

Putting a child in a high seat for up to an hour is fine, but you obviously don't leave a child in a high seat for 6, 7 or 8 hours. Chauvin's knee on the neck might have been okay at the very beginning, but after a minute he really should have been like 'Right I better ease off here before I kill him'. Chauvin needs to be found guilty of murder and if he is then I think it's probable he'll be murdered in prison (á là Jeffrey Damer).

[Cuz]

I'm not a doctor or even a nurse, but I think that the air flow required for speech is far far less than the airflow required to oxygenate our blood.

So let's say we need 100 grams of air per minute to remain alive, and let's say we need only 15 grams of air per minute to speak, well a person getting 50 grams of air per minute could still speak while only getting one seventh of the air they need to stay alive.

Putting a child in a high seat for up to an hour is fine, but you obviously don't leave a child in a high seat for 6, 7 or 8 hours. Chauvin's knee on the neck might have been okay at the very beginning, but after a minute he really should have been like 'Right I better ease off here before I kill him'. Chauvin needs to be found guilty of murder and if he is then I think it's probable he'll be murdered in prison (á là Jeffrey Damer).

Ive had a knee on the back of my neck before and to me it was more of a bloodflow issue than a breathing issue. Id have to check the criminals autopsy again

[wango]

Ive had a knee on the back of my neck before and to me it was more of a bloodflow issue than a breathing issue. Id have to check the criminals autopsy again

Most likely what you just said. BTW, I didn’t hit like as in liked that you had a knee on your neck, lol.

Damn, things are looking brighter regarding Covid and this comes along to f up what could have been a relaxing Summer.

[XnavyHMCS]

He was following department policy but he missed the part that said non-lethal.

I will let the jurors decide his fate.

However, I will say that it should be a rule that when a man is lying down, handcuffed, with 3 people on top of him...
A fourth officer shouldn't then use a neck constraint.

Why?
Because it may kill a man who is already subdued.

If 4 officers can't handle a man on the ground in handcuffs then more training is needed.

I am in no way saying Floyd was an angel.
But there was zero need to put the man in a neck restraint for 8+ minutes.

DD,

That was my point, in an above post.

They need to examine their training protocols and the candidates themselves.

[Ernst]

Fcuk that cop. Let him fry.

We can also acknowledge that Floyd was a scumbag himself. I don't know why some crackhead pos gets sainthood status just for getting wrecked.

I have definitely seen and had run-ins with bad and dirty cops. A nearby department was rotten as fcuk back when I was a young man living there. I know this for a fact through personal experience, not through rumor.

A moment to offer kudos to the CHP, who always brought the highest level of professionalism in my interactions with them. Local PD and SO has been great as well.

[XnavyHMCS]

Usually we Europeans are entertained by your wild crazy news from America, but right now in England a cop has been arrested and charged with abducting and murdering a 33 year old woman. Her remains were found in a wooded area. Mad shit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-56351135

Kimbo,

We had the same / similar hear in the States awhile back (30+ yrs I believe).

I want to say it was in California, perhaps around the San Bernardino area...?

One who was hired "to protect and serve" was trolling the interstate highway for attractive ladies driving their cars. He would pull them over, rape them, and he ultimately ended up killing one of them. If my memory serves me correctly, in the ensuing investigation, the authorities uncovered other victims who he had raped but didn't kill...

We had a similar event at SEAL Team 4 during the late 80's / early 90's, where two sailors who were assigned to the command were doing their STT. They picked up some "frog-hog" university student, if I remember correctly, choked her to death. Later revelations emerged that only one of them was responsible for the actual murder, but they were both culpable in the concealing of a corpse and cover up of the crime.

No screening process is "foolproof" unworthy candidates do sometimes slip through the cracks, in all walks of life...

[XnavyHMCS]

Most likely what you just said. BTW, I didn’t hit like as in liked that you had a knee on your neck, lol.

Damn, things are looking brighter regarding Covid and this comes along to f up what could have been a relaxing Summer.

Yeah, maybe that was the plan all along...

[Hughinn]

Fcuk that cop. Let him fry.

We can also acknowledge that Floyd was a scumbag himself. I don't know why some crackhead pos gets sainthood status just for getting wrecked.

I have definitely seen and had run-ins with bad and dirty cops. A nearby department was rotten as fcuk back when I was a young man living there. I know this for a fact through personal experience, not through rumor.

A moment to offer kudos to the CHP, who always brought the highest level of professionalism in my interactions with them. Local PD and SO has been great as well.

While I agree with most of what you said. I must disagree with just one thing, "Fuck that cop, let him fry".

On one hand, as a man who spent his youth in a mining camp in the mountain west, I share your sentiment on Police. Believe that, brother! Where I'm from, police are not the "good guys". I get it. They're only on the scenes to bust heads and maintain the status quo. I know brother!


But, and it's a big butt, even if not sexy. He still deserves a Fair trial. Because if he doesn't get one, I can assure you we never will.

I also have had run ins, with bad cops, teachers and everyone else you could imagine. But the key principal is: everyone gets to tell their story, and a jury must decide. A jury of people who also live in the community (how beautiful is that?).

I don't know how this turns out. But! I hope the local community upholds The basic tenets of our democracy when they pass judgement.
That's all I want.

[< <Samson> >]

It’s a very slippery slope

When a cop has to justify his actions for doing his job


Yet, takes his job over the top(even just a tad) & kills a person


In this case - I don’t have enough information to make an informed decision. I seen the video - so, what happened before? What led up to this? Where are the other angles?


Thankfully - none of this is my problem

[XnavyHMCS]

It’s a very slippery slope

When a cop has to justify his actions for doing his job


Yet, takes his job over the top(even just a tad) & kills a person


In this case - I don’t have enough information to make an informed decision. I seen the video - so, what happened before? What led up to this? Where are the other angles?


Thankfully - none of this is my problem

Samson,

Well said.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I seen the video - so, what happened before? What led up to this? Where are the other angles?

Thankfully - none of this is my problem

This is a common defense used by middle-aged gentleman who are caught with child pornography on their hard disk -- basically they say that they only watched the video and that they had nothing to do with the making of the video nor any of the offenses depicted therein.

[warchild]

Minneapolis paid his family a $27 million settlement today.

[wango]

Minneapolis paid his family a $27 million settlement today.

Likely about saving dollars in the future in civil lawsuits.

[XnavyHMCS]

Likely about saving dollars in the future in civil lawsuits.

Great point here.

[XnavyHMCS]

Minneapolis paid his family a $27 million settlement today.

Those were tax dollars well spent...

His death at the hands of the police = the best thing that ever happened to that family, since some Portuguese, Dutch or English traders contracted with some coastal tribe/s to procure for them human cargo, to sell as chattel slaves in the New World.

[Cuz]

Those were tax dollars well spent...

His death at the hands of the police = the best thing that ever happened to that family, since some Portuguese, Dutch or English traders contracted with some coastal tribe/s to procure for them human cargo, to sell as chattel slaves in the New World.

Perfectly said

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Those were tax dollars well spent...

His death at the hands of the police = the best thing that ever happened to that family, since some Portuguese, Dutch or English traders contracted with some coastal tribe/s to procure for them human cargo, to sell as chattel slaves in the New World.

Perfectly said

So let me get this straight...
Please correct me if I am wrong.

XnavyHMCS:
You are saying that the 2nd best thing to happen to George Floyd's family is that George Floyd died.
And...
The best thing to happen to George Floyd's family is that they were bought as slaves?

And Cuz:
You wholeheartedly agree?

[Cuz]

So let me get this straight...
Please correct me if I am wrong.

XnavyHMCS:
You are saying that the 2nd best thing to happen to George Floyd's family is that George Floyd died.
And...
The best thing to happen to George Floyd's family is that they were bought as slaves?

And Cuz:
You wholeheartedly agree?

Dog, while your words are little more straightforward my statement stands. You see, sacrifices are made. US soldiers have made sacrifices for our freedom, if they didnt we would still be doing whatever Great Britain allowed us to do. Do you follow me? Floyd was a criminal, attributed not a godamn thing to society yes his “family” if you will, collects millions. Pretty sure he hit one of his girlfriends in the stomach while she was pregnant the guy was a piece of shit no matter what, he wasnt any kind of martyr surely you don’t believe he was man do you? Did he die in cuffs? Yes im sorry he did he shouldnt have. He should have been stood up and slammed on the hood of the car like most criminals get when the DONT FOLLOW THE OFFICERS INSTRUCTIONS ...but like i said, Chauvin will be reprimanded by his actions for kneeling on his neck after he was unconscious. Probably would have been shot or killed with a bad drug deal eventually i dont know and I really dont care

And slaves... i know you like to talk about that subject but im not gonna debate with you because we will never agree. What i will ask you, do you think if the american settlers hadnt brought them over here, when they were sold by their own people... black people would prosper like they are today? I think you know the answer..look at lebron james’ we have, the kanye wests... and so on. Not gonna happen in Sierra Leone or

Again, sacrifices were made. Yes its ugly, history is ugly. But you know what? Things are sure better for the black man than they were in AFRICA i can tell you that. It sounds bad i know, but its the truth

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Dog, while your words are little more straightforward my statement stands. You see, sacrifices are made. US soldiers have made sacrifices for our freedom, if they didnt we would still be doing whatever Great Britain allowed us to do. Do you follow me? I am not following you. Not saying I disagree. I am saying I don't understand what you are saying. Floyd was a criminal, attributed not a godamn thing to society yes his “family” if you will, collects millions. Pretty sure he hit one of his girlfriends in the stomach while she was pregnant the guy was a piece of shit no matter what, he wasnt any kind of martyr surely you don’t believe he was man do you? Did he die in cuffs? Yes im sorry he did he shouldnt have. He should have been stood up and slammed on the hood of the car like most criminals get when the DONT FOLLOW THE OFFICERS INSTRUCTIONS ...but like i said, Chauvin will be reprimanded by his actions for kneeling on his neck after he was unconscious. Probably would have been shot or killed with a bad drug deal eventually i dont know and I really dont care

And slaves... i know you like to talk about that subject but im not gonna debate with you because we will never agree. What i will ask you, do you think if the american settlers hadnt brought them over here, when they were sold by their own people... black people would prosper like they are today? I think you know the answer..look at lebron james’ we have, the kanye wests... and so on. Not gonna happen in Sierra Leone or

Again, sacrifices were made. Yes its ugly, history is ugly. But you know what? Things are sure better for the black man than they were in AFRICA i can tell you that. It sounds bad i know, but its the truth

Cuz... read any post of me on this subject.
I never claimed George Floyd was a good man.

Just amazed that a Christian man would say that someone ODing and/or getting killed is a good thing.
Last I knew Jesus preached forgiveness.

(Matthew 6:14–15)
For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

But hell... Religion is funny like that. Everyone has their own interpertation.

As for slavery...
Please realize that there are many successful Black people in America who came to America after slavery.
So it is very possible that someone's heritage would be better off if they weren't purchased as slaves.
The claim that slavery is actually a good thing is bullshit in my opinion.




But to clarify...
I think George Floyd was no saint.
I understand how people could see his death as good. I don't.

But what I find truly appalling is the belief that slavery was actually a good thing for blacks.
It is better to be poor and free than rich and a slave.
Many, many blacks have succeeded in the world without going the slave route.
Many, many blacks have gone the slave route and not succeeded in the world.