Chauvin Juror Admits She Voted to Prevent Rioting, Not on the Facts

[wango]

I understand you as well sir.

But, you don't know about the silent support I get here. I can only assume beetle gets it as well.

This board has been under the control of a few bullys for a long time.

Those who are turned off by the discussion here, are those who've had to reassess thier positions when faced with scrutiny that will not cower or waver under threat or intimidation.

I saybthat b for ever one who's turned off, two come here and feel persuaded to post or join.

I've personally got messages from silent members that I now see are not so silent, because the bullies now have adversaries they cannot intimidate.

To me sir, that is healthy open discourse, and would not turn off anybody objectively seeking truth and knowledge to gain personal perspective

And it’s posts like this that get my “spidey senses” going. Why “sir”? That is entirely too formal in our society after this much exchange. It’s “stilted” and comes off a bit disingenuous.

Please show me this bullying. I honestly haven’t seen it. I’m not disputing you, but I want to see evidence if you would please.

“Seeking truth and knowledge” is the point here. Was the OP truthful? Is the OP’s intent to always be “truthful” in the true sense of the word?

I am happy that you are doing this for the “silent members”; it’s a great gesture. But perhaps those who are so silent, yet so bold to break the law to use illegal substances should step up & finally voice their opinions. The reason being is that those that are already willing to speak up are suggesting that this type of posting should not be allowed.

Is there no middle ground? What say you as well, OP?

[Hughinn]

And it’s posts like this that get my “spidey senses” going. Why “sir”? That is entirely too formal in our society after this much exchange. It’s “stilted” and comes off a bit disingenuous.

Please show me this bullying. I honestly haven’t seen it. I’m not disputing you, but I want to see evidence if you would please.

“Seeking truth and knowledge” is the point here. Was the OP truthful? Is the OP’s intent to always be “truthful” in the true sense of the word?

I am happy that you are doing this for the “silent members”; it’s a great gesture. But perhaps those who are so silent, yet so bold to break the law to use illegal substances should step up & finally voice their opinions. The reason being is that those that are already willing to speak up are suggesting that this type of posting should not be allowed.

Is there no middle ground? What say you as well, OP?

I say "Sir" to be perfectly and unmistakably clear that I'm making every effort to maintain civility. It's not necessarily for you, because you and I are on much more casual terms, but for any others reading this thread, I just want to display civility. You can call it whatever you want. I'm a southern man, and it's just what we do.

I don't have to "show you" anything Wango. And there's no way It'd be appropriate or prudent of me to violate trust confided in me to satisfy your curiosity. As much I like you wango No sir, I can't do that.

But, if you Go back through the numerous threads on this forum and take the time to read. When yiu see the pattern of insults, innuendo and mockery , note the names and see the reasons. You'll have your answers.

And I still can't believe you continue to want to circle back at this same accusation against beetle. "If you can't attack the message, be sure to attack the messenger". Method.

Like i told the deadlift dog,

So beetles headline doesn't precisely fit the story he posted, and for that, you howl "liar, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobe", etc etc, and therefore you seek to totally supress the point he was making by calling names, bullying and harassing anybody that comments or supports his point.

I digress, that although what your saying may be true, by that same token, cnn, msdnc,abc,CBS and all dnc propaganda outlets lie on a daily basis. By your own definition.
If you can be man enough to admit that, then I cannot argue your point. I won't. I see it, and its true. The headline is misleading. I am not arguing against that case.

But since you mentioned facts, I must point out, that with the threat of violence from the democrat party, added to the testimony of the alternative juror in beetles post in conjunction with the numerous potential jurors who refused to serve on the jury because of the threat of violence and destruction on behalf the democrat party, then it's totally rational and logical to believe that citizens that made the jury, at least in some number felt the same way. Thats totally reasonable and undeniably plausible.
And insulting beetle, myself or anyone else who holds that position, because you don't like it, doesn't change the hard logic behind it.

Again, I am not arguing that the headline is misleading. DD pointed that out, and I'm not arguing against it. I am Saying brazenly calling the man a liar, is what some people here do time and time again when they want to shut down discourse on the subject at hand. A common bully tactic. A straw man. I'm not arguing against the staw man. I'm arguing that beetles point is valid and believable. Even if his headline was in fact misleading.

[wango]

I say "Sir" to be perfectly and unmistakably clear that I'm making every effort to maintain civility. It's not necessarily for you, because you and I are on much more casual terms, but for any others reading this thread, I just want to display civility. You can call it whatever you want. I'm a southern man, and it's just what we do.

I don't have to "show you" anything Wango. And there's no way It'd be appropriate or prudent of me to violate trust confided in me to satisfy your curiosity. As much I like you wango No sir, I can't do that.

But, if you Go back through the numerous threads on this forum and take the time to read. When yiu see the pattern of insults, innuendo and mockery , note the names and see the reasons. You'll have your answers.

And I still can't believe you continue to want to circle back at this same accusation against beetle. "If you can't attack the message, be sure to attack the messenger". Method.

Like i told the deadlift dog,

So beetles headline doesn't precisely fit the story he posted, and for that, you howl "liar, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobe", etc etc, and therefore you seek to totally supress the point he was making by calling names, bullying and harassing anybody that comments or supports his point.

I digress, that although what your saying may be true, by that same token, cnn, msdnc,abc,CBS and all dnc propaganda outlets lie on a daily basis. By your own definition.
If you can be man enough to admit that, then I cannot argue your point. I won't. I see it, and its true. The headline is misleading. I am not arguing against that case.

But since you mentioned facts, I must point out, that with the threat of violence from the democrat party, added to the testimony of the alternative juror in beetles post in conjunction with the numerous potential jurors who refused to serve on the jury because of the threat of violence and destruction on behalf the democrat party, then it's totally rational and logical to believe that citizens that made the jury, at least in some number felt the same way. Thats totally reasonable and undeniably plausible.
And insulting beetle, myself or anyone else who holds that position, because you don't like it, doesn't change the hard logic behind it.

Again, I am not arguing that the headline is misleading. DD pointed that out, and I'm not arguing against it. I am Saying brazenly calling the man a liar, is what some people here do time and time again when they want to shut down discourse on the subject at hand. A common bully tactic. A straw man. I'm not arguing against the staw man. I'm arguing that beetles point is valid and believable. Even if his headline was in fact misleading.

Hey, my intent was NOT to stir things up further. I could have chosen other words.

Regarding “sir” it’s more of a personal thing to me as I’m extremely informal after I’ve exchanged with someone and I think we are starting to see eye to eye or at least agree to disagree. I also am feeling my age and it’s a reminder to me. I don’t even let my kids at school use it with me, lol. But I don’t want you to say things that you personally aren’t comfortable with, my bad.

Regarding the “show me” stuff, I just meant I don’t recall seeing it & sincerely wanted you to point me in the correct direction. I wasn’t disputing or denying it.

Look back at my initial post to beetle. In some respects I agreed with him because I’ve seen it happen before. I have also told you and him that I respect what he says and him as an individual, but I do have a right to disagree.

I’m starting to see your take on what you feel is bullying & it’s not something I commonly associate as bullying simply because of my background and the fact that as teachers we take seminars on recognizing bullying 2x per year. So I’m thinking of bullying from that point of view, but now see where you are coming from with this.

But now I truly think I am guilty of what is being said on the forum - that this back and forth stuff is getting to be too much for a steroid forum, at least now with this particular thread.

I hope that you understand that I meant no disrespect to either of you, but like you, felt my need to add my opinion. I think I’ll step away from this thread now & appropriately head off for a back and biceps workout, have a nice post workout meal and then pin myself later.

See you on another thread, ok?

[Fluidic Kimbo]

this back and forth stuff is getting to be too much for a steroid forum

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