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    Quote Originally Posted by Chark View Post
    Using tren for 7 weeks especially on the back end of a 16 week cycle will probably be very difficult to recover from. I personally don't think I'd use 19-nors if I planned on coming off at the end of the cycle.
    Would this apply even with low dose NPP or would that be OK to cycle with test? I'm not using anything but Test-E & DHT based AAS on this 1st cycle I am on but I'd like to try some additional oils with test on my 2nd cycle. NPP and Primo are on my interest list at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinAZ View Post
    Would this apply even with low dose NPP or would that be OK to cycle with test? I'm not using anything but Test-E & DHT based AAS on this 1st cycle I am on but I'd like to try some additional oils with test on my 2nd cycle. NPP and Primo are on my interest list at the moment.
    I'm not going to pretend like I know the exact answer for you so maybe someone more experienced will chime in but here's what I've gathered from MPMD: 19nors shut you down hard (tren especially) compared to other AAS and can keep you suppressed for a long time even on small doses where recommended PCT's like 2 weeks off 4 weeks drugs isn't going to touch the outlined cycle that's ending with tren. He'd probably still be suppressed for months after he ends his cycle. How long is dose dependent. I know MPMD has said it should be 5 half-lives before beginning PCT but I think there is some disagreement with that. I would ASSUME NPP wouldn't be as bad as traditional deca but I don't know. I think primo would be a much better choice for your 2nd cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chark View Post
    I'm not going to pretend like I know the exact answer for you so maybe someone more experienced will chime in but here's what I've gathered from MPMD: 19nors shut you down hard (tren especially) compared to other AAS and can keep you suppressed for a long time even on small doses where recommended PCT's like 2 weeks off 4 weeks drugs isn't going to touch the outlined cycle that's ending with tren. He'd probably still be suppressed for months after he ends his cycle. How long is dose dependent. I know MPMD has said it should be 5 half-lives before beginning PCT but I think there is some disagreement with that. I would ASSUME NPP wouldn't be as bad as traditional deca but I don't know. I think primo would be a much better choice for your 2nd cycle.
    thx for the info I knew tren shut people down but I didn't know it applied to all 19nors so that is good to know. Makes me think I will stay away from them until the point I decide to do TRT or blast & cruise instead of cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinAZ View Post
    thx for the info I knew tren shut people down but I didn't know it applied to all 19nors so that is good to know. Makes me think I will stay away from them until the point I decide to do TRT or blast & cruise instead of cycle.
    I think you've got the right idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chark View Post
    I'm not going to pretend like I know the exact answer for you so maybe someone more experienced will chime in but here's what I've gathered from MPMD: 19nors shut you down hard (tren especially) compared to other AAS and can keep you suppressed for a long time even on small doses where recommended PCT's like 2 weeks off 4 weeks drugs isn't going to touch the outlined cycle that's ending with tren. He'd probably still be suppressed for months after he ends his cycle. How long is dose dependent. I know MPMD has said it should be 5 half-lives before beginning PCT but I think there is some disagreement with that. I would ASSUME NPP wouldn't be as bad as traditional deca but I don't know. I think primo would be a much better choice for your 2nd cycle.
    Sound advice!
    If I could just add to your great explanation, trenbolone enanthate has a half life of 7-10 days but what many people do not make account for is the depot site dwell time.
    When you inject certain carrier oils they will take time to start to release the drug into the local blood vessels the depot is situated to.
    Then once in the blood the esters are cleaved gradually from the compound they are attached to, releasing the active compound where it can work on the receptors of cells, tissue, enzymes and other hormones.
    This can add a significant amount of time to that required for pct to commence and be effective.
    Some who use nandrolone with the decanoate Ester at the common 400-600mg dose range, regardless of the carrier oil used, would expect the nandrolone to be active for up to 56 to 84 days.
    With this knowledge you would be best to stick to short esters and also to drugs with quick release carrier oils.
    Last edited by Lethal Hamburger; 07-12-2021 at 08:25 PM.

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