Testo Enanthate+Boldenone First Cycle Dosage

[quacky]

If I hired a guy and he told me to do a 10 month cycle of test e and eq 500/500 with an 8 week pct and then repeat id fuckin fire him and demand a refund.
Also, your diet isn’t sufficient for gaining mass.

Why you don't talk by giving information. I just do that, I do that bla bla. I brought this up to be informed, not to let me know that you're going to fire that coach.

I think you should have understood that this is a fat burning diet that will of course change after my diet starts on the drug.I will gradually increase to 4000-5000 calories. Also thank you for this informative suggestion.

And here is my coach's explanation for the long cycle. (for the podiums)

We increase the doses of drugs over the years for muscle growth.
Likewise, as we make pct, we use more units of medicine. For example, 2 doses of pregnyl in our first cycle, 4 doses in the next pct.
Therefore, it is unreasonable to do short cycle-pct all the time.

Because just as the body tolerates drug mg, it also shows the same tolerance to PCT products!
If your cycle is short, if you do not take the drug for a long time after doing the pct, there is no problem.
But if you get into the cycle of curing, pct, curing, pct, if the pcts are wrong, I cannot erect, lh and fsh are not the same as before, be ready to open topics like what should I do!

Now do you understand why cycles are long, PCT needs to be done once?

Trust your coach, or fire him.

There are still nonsense comments instead of providing tangible information.incredible..

[Cylon357]

Because just as the body tolerates drug mg, it also shows the same tolerance to PCT products!

There are still nonsense comments instead of providing tangible information.incredible..

That is absolutely false. Your body does not "show tolerance" to PCT products like Clomid and Nolvadex. Clomid can be used long term as HRT (3+ years here before moving to cream and the needle). If your coach thinks that we develop tolerances to Clomid and thus it stops working or loses effectiveness, he needs to turn in his coaches license.

If he means HCG (which should generally NOT be used in PCT), then yes, at higher doses (5000iu or so per week), yes, it does begin to lose effectiveness. This is because in absence of any other source of test, the body relies solely upon HCG (masquerading as LH) to produce Test. But, it also sees the Test level increase and starts to shutdown the boys production. This starts a negative feedback loop where you need more and more HCG and eventually the testicles become desensitized and just stop production. This is why HCG monotherapy does not work long term.

All of that to say that if your coach has you using HCG in PCT, not on cycle, then that is another reason to fire him and find someone else.

BTW, this is not conjecture. These are simple facts based on human physiology, personal experience, and the collected research of thousands of gym bros, doctors and formal studies. Perhaps this will provide sufficient "tangible information" for you to act on.

[quacky]

That is absolutely false. Your body does not "show tolerance" to PCT products like Clomid and Nolvadex. Clomid can be used long term as HRT (3+ years here before moving to cream and the needle). If your coach thinks that we develop tolerances to Clomid and thus it stops working or loses effectiveness, he needs to turn in his coaches license.

If he means HCG (which should generally NOT be used in PCT), then yes, at higher doses (5000iu or so per week), yes, it does begin to lose effectiveness. This is because in absence of any other source of test, the body relies solely upon HCG (masquerading as LH) to produce Test. But, it also sees the Test level increase and starts to shutdown the boys production. This starts a negative feedback loop where you need more and more HCG and eventually the testicles become desensitized and just stop production. This is why HCG monotherapy does not work long term.

All of that to say that if your coach has you using HCG in PCT, not on cycle, then that is another reason to fire him and find someone else.

BTW, this is not conjecture. These are simple facts based on human physiology, personal experience, and the collected research of thousands of gym bros, doctors and formal studies. Perhaps this will provide sufficient "tangible information" for you to act on.

As you said, my coach want for hcg at the end of the cycle for the 2-month pct period.As I understand it, this is wrong and should be used within the cycle and the cycle should be limited to 12 weeks.This was the only real comment on the subject,I'll take what you said into consideration. Thank you very much man.The rest seem a little nervous from using trenbolone lol.

So, can a podium athlete be successful with a 3-month cycle-pct cycle? Shouldn't we use systems such as blast cruise or long cycle?
What is your suggestion for this?

[narcolepticshark]

That is absolutely false. Your body does not "show tolerance" to PCT products like Clomid and Nolvadex. Clomid can be used long term as HRT (3+ years here before moving to cream and the needle). If your coach thinks that we develop tolerances to Clomid and thus it stops working or loses effectiveness, he needs to turn in his coaches license.

If he means HCG (which should generally NOT be used in PCT), then yes, at higher doses (5000iu or so per week), yes, it does begin to lose effectiveness. This is because in absence of any other source of test, the body relies solely upon HCG (masquerading as LH) to produce Test. But, it also sees the Test level increase and starts to shutdown the boys production. This starts a negative feedback loop where you need more and more HCG and eventually the testicles become desensitized and just stop production. This is why HCG monotherapy does not work long term.

All of that to say that if your coach has you using HCG in PCT, not on cycle, then that is another reason to fire him and find someone else.

BTW, this is not conjecture. These are simple facts based on human physiology, personal experience, and the collected research of thousands of gym bros, doctors and formal studies. Perhaps this will provide sufficient "tangible information" for you to act on.

This is helpful for me also. I've only done one cycle but I've heard conflicting things about HCG during cycle or PCT. I noticed that the pinned (no pun intended) First Cycle thread has it being used during cycle.

Can you elaborate on the science of this just for my learning?

[Cylon357]

This is helpful for me also. I've only done one cycle but I've heard conflicting things about HCG during cycle or PCT. I noticed that the pinned (no pun intended) First Cycle thread has it being used during cycle.

Can you elaborate on the science of this just for my learning?

If you have read the first cycle sticky, then you have more "science" than I have provided here, though TBH, I really don't think there is much more to tell, at least not from the Iron Game perspective. Maybe consult a good book on the endocrine system?

[narcolepticshark]

If you have read the first cycle sticky, then you have more "science" than I have provided here, though TBH, I really don't think there is much more to tell, at least not from the Iron Game perspective. Maybe consult a good book on the endocrine system?

The author of the First Cycle sticky has a whole article on the endocrine system I plan to read. Yes I saw that they wrote about HCG in first cycle and that’s my go-forward approach.

Tbh I consider myself a bright enough guy, but watching these vids and reading these articles makes it clear that this is a complex are of study.

When I used to do rails I never gave a F what was happening to my body. But with this game it seems like knowledge is power.

[teedoff]

Heres a very indepth page and video about the use and benefits of HCG.

https://www.discountedlabs.com/blog/...know-about-hcg