My first 300mg cycle

[Mooseman33]

this is stupid. cmon man.

follow the first cycle info. don't listen to TM and start at 300mg and ramp to 700mg while being told to not do PCT as its useless.

man that's just stupid shit to say.

follow the first cycle info buddy. that said, I don't think u are ready to cycle, u have a lot of natural gains to make. I def don't think u are 12%.

[Test Monsterone]

this is stupid. cmon man.

follow the first cycle info. don't listen to TM and start at 300mg and ramp to 700mg while being told to not do PCT as its useless.

man that's just stupid shit to say.

follow the first cycle info buddy. that said, I don't think u are ready to cycle, u have a lot of natural gains to make. I def don't think u are 12%.

PCT is not reliable. Plenty of people have done PCT and came back months later with low T. Just because you did something in the 90s doesn’t mean that’s how it always should be. They weren’t using synthetic HCG in the 90s.

Can you tell me how the HPTA axis works? What clomid does? What FSH and LH does? What HCG does? No, you just take clomid and Nolvadex, intoxicate your liver, fuck your eyes up, and hope your balls come back to life. Good job buddy.

[Cylon357]

PCT is not reliable. Plenty of people have done PCT and came back months later with low T. Just because you did something in the 90s doesn’t mean that’s how it always should be. They weren’t using synthetic HCG in the 90s.

Can you tell me how the HPTA axis works? What clomid does? What FSH and LH does? What HCG does? No, you just take clomid and Nolvadex, intoxicate your liver, fuck your eyes up, and hope your balls come back to life. Good job buddy.

I believe I can answer all those questions. That said, I would say both use HCG during cycle AND do a pct, though I would use enclomiphene instead of clomid, if available.

I came off injections for a little bit (trying to get dht dialed in) and used enclomiphene solo to SORT OF pct. Seemed to work fine with no sides.

The basic first cycle recommendation linked above is almost fool proof and as safe as possible, given the nature of This Thing We Do. It is, IMO, an excellent guide, that needs to be fully read and understood to execute successfully.

But man, I'm just some rando on the net...

[Test Monsterone]

It’s fine to use those drugs if you want to, but prevention is a lot better than trying to restart something that never had to be shut down in the first place.

In my research, I found that the production of LH resumes much faster than the recovery of testes. Many guys will have optimal, and sometimes higher than normal levels of LH after a cycle because HPTA is constantly trying to signal the testes to start producing testosterone while they are recovering. Dormant Leydig cells take a long time to come back, and some never do. That’s why I believe many who PCT don’t fully recover, because they were shut down too long.

Let’s say a typical cycle is 3 months long. After the last injection, exogenous hormones (depending on the ester) can still be in the body for up to a month. Then they say to start HCG and the rest, and now there is additional suppression for the duration of HCG use, except now the hypothalamus/pituitary are being suppressed instead of the testes.

I agree that if you want to cover all of your bases, one should run HCG during the cycle, stop it a couple of weeks after the cycle ends, and then start PCT ancillaries. I just prefer to keep it simple and not take anything that will suppress something else.

[Mooseman33]

It’s fine to use those drugs if you want to, but prevention is a lot better than trying to restart something that never had to be shut down in the first place.

In my research, I found that the production of LH resumes much faster than the recovery of testes. Many guys will have optimal, and sometimes higher than normal levels of LH after a cycle because HPTA is constantly trying to signal the testes to start producing testosterone while they are recovering. Dormant Leydig cells take a long time to come back, and some never do. That’s why I believe many who PCT don’t fully recover, because they were shut down too long.

Let’s say a typical cycle is 3 months long. After the last injection, exogenous hormones (depending on the ester) can still be in the body for up to a month. Then they say to start HCG and the rest, and now there is additional suppression for the duration of HCG use, except now the hypothalamus/pituitary are being suppressed instead of the testes.

I agree that if you want to cover all of your bases, one should run HCG during the cycle, stop it a couple of weeks after the cycle ends, and then start PCT ancillaries. I just prefer to keep it simple and not take anything that will suppress something else.

man if this aint double talking I don't know what is.

you are all research with very little experience.

[Mooseman33]

PCT is not reliable. Plenty of people have done PCT and came back months later with low T. Just because you did something in the 90s doesn’t mean that’s how it always should be. They weren’t using synthetic HCG in the 90s.

Can you tell me how the HPTA axis works? What clomid does? What FSH and LH does? What HCG does? No, you just take clomid and Nolvadex, intoxicate your liver, fuck your eyes up, and hope your balls come back to life. Good job buddy.

you are giving this kid bad advice. If you want to follow this I have no issues but cmon man, you really told him to start at 300 and go to 700 then run no pct. the best part is you actually are trying to back it up.
I won't argue with u, I will let others decide who to listen to.

[Small to large]

you are giving this kid bad advice. If you want to follow this I have no issues but cmon man, you really told him to start at 300 and go to 700 then run no pct. the best part is you actually are trying to back it up.
I won't argue with u, I will let others decide who to listen to.

I am taking everything with grain of salt and using my own knowledge to start my basis, but gladly accepting other opinions and research. I have known and read about people starting low and then increasing to high amounts throughout their cycle. From that information gathered it is not the route for me. I personally would want it to stay consistent through and not experience the repercussions of starting at 300ish and bumping up to higher amounts.