Another mass shooting

[s1nc1ty]

How many more have to die before they change the gun laws in america. I know guns dont kill people people do but look at the statistics. Nobody needs an ar15 at home and there are too many guns overall at homes etc and too easy to get them.

I know all the americans say its ammendment right but imo that doesnt mean shit. Nothing in this life is carved into stone. The fact that it once was doesnt mean it always has to be like that.

Its just the gun owners dont want to give away theyr precious guns. But in reality, you dont need it. The times have passed on since when armed civillians could defend the nation from dictatorship etc

This is my thoughts coming from europe where these things are very rare. Another coward running arund with ar15 killing 20 innocent people. Sad

[Test Monsterone]

How many more have to die before they change the gun laws in america. I know guns dont kill people people do but look at the statistics. Nobody needs an ar15 at home and there are too many guns overall at homes etc and too easy to get them.

I know all the americans say its ammendment right but imo that doesnt mean shit. Nothing in this life is carved into stone. The fact that it once was doesnt mean it always has to be like that.

Its just the gun owners dont want to give away theyr precious guns. But in reality, you dont need it. The times have passed on since when armed civillians could defend the nation from dictatorship etc

This is my thoughts coming from europe where these things are very rare. Another coward running arund with ar15 killing 20 innocent people. Sad

As a fellow European that has grown up in the US, I understand your point of view, but there is nuance to everything. One could look at what happened in Israel, for example, and say that if those families living on the border with Gaza were armed, they could have defended themselves better. Some did.

But America is not Israel. America is surrounded by two vast oceans, and Mexico is getting guns from America, not the other way around. The only people the Americans have to fear is themselves.

If we compare the two polar opposite possibilities: in one country everyone owns guns, in the other, nobody owns guns. Which country would I personally want to live in? I already know - in the country with no guns. I have lived in such countries, and guess what? No gun crime. 0 gun deaths every year. No mass shootings. The police don't brutalize civilians or have an itchy trigger finger, like some do in the US. People also respect law enforcement more. People respect each other more. The most that will happen is a fist fight. Rarely, VERY rarely, are there stabbings - and most are not fatal.

Here in the US almost any confrontation can turn deadly because of guns. Road range - guns. Domestic dispute - guns. Angry incels - guns. For every lunatic or unhinged person who wants to cause harm to many people, guns are available for purchase.

America is not unique that it has people with mental health problems. These are universal issues that will never go away. America is unique in that it mostly indiscriminately sells weapons to whoever is willing to pay. The gun laws are a joke, for the most part. The most recent shooter you are referencing had "voices in his head" and made actual threats that he was going to shoot and kill people - yet, he still got to own guns, and not just any guns. In any normal society, a person such as this should be in a cage and be stripped of every weapon he owns. But in America, because of corporate lobbying by institutions like the NRA and greedy lawyers, everyone is afraid of denying someone their precious 2nd amendment rights.

But, like I was saying, this is not a clear-cut issue. There are legitimate arguments to both points of view. If you happen to be that family that lives somewhere where crime is high, where police are far away - then your guns could possibly, one day, save your life. Chances are, they won't. Murderers and criminals don't tend to advertise their intentions. And, when a criminal with a gun catches a "good guy" with a gun, 9 times out of 10 the good guy is dead.

America is too far down the rabbit hole of gun ownership to realistically stop all gun violence, even if guns were prohibited. We have a situation that because some people own guns, now everyone wants guns to protect themselves... from people who own guns. Crazy, I know.

I would like to see a 5-year experiment where one state in the US has all guns removed and borders secured so people can't bring in guns easily, and another state where guns are sold freely. Just to see what happens.

In my opinion, the only time guns are necessary is in an apocalyptic situation or times of war. Even in those cases we have the military and police to protect us. Same way we don't have to own a farm to eat, we go to the grocery store, we don't need assault rifles for protection when we have police and the military. People will say that guns protect people, but the majority of times they are used to kill, not protect. Rarely someone stops a shooter, but the vast majority of times, that does not happen.

IMO, we should all vote. If a state has 51% of people pro guns, then guns stay. If 51% are against guns, guns go. If you want to own a gun, you move to a state where guns are allowed. Then we'll see what happens. I'm pretty certain what the results would be. It's not like mass shooters go to gun ranges to kill people... They go to places where they know people won't be armed... so the idea that there will be more shootings because people won't have guns to defend themselves is incorrect. None of the shootings like the movie theaters, schools, night clubs, concerts, etc. were places where people would normally carry guns.


Anyway, I get it, man, I really do. America is a crazy place.

[teedoff]

Then stay in Europe and let Americans enjoy their rights. Imo.

Ask Germany how gun confiscation went in the 30s when Hitler took over.

If legal, law abiding guns owners were the problem there would be a lot more mass shootings.

We have gun laws in place and restrictions on certain types of weapons. There are more ppl killed by cars every year, should we ban cars? Maybe limit them to a top speed of 10 mph?

[Test Monsterone]

Then stay in Europe and let Americans enjoy their rights. Imo.

Ask Germany how gun confiscation went in the 30s when Hitler took over.

If legal, law abiding guns owners were the problem there would be a lot more mass shootings.

We have gun laws in place and restrictions on certain types of weapons. There are more ppl killed by cars every year, should we ban cars? Maybe limit them to a top speed of 10 mph?

That's not how it works. You don't get to decide the fate of a group of people because you think it's ok to own guns. And you don't speak for every American. Most of the people I know don't own guns or want anyone to own guns. What happened in Germany is a group of people who were gullible and easily manipulated were fooled into blaming all the country's problems on Jews and thought that these "evil Jews" need to be eliminated, so they empowered a fascist narcissist. Sound familiar? Oh, here it's the "illegals" and the muslims.

Nobody is against legal, law-abiding citizens owning guns to defend themselves. People are against lunatics owning guns. Guns should be difficult to get. Having a criminal record, history of mental health issues, history of making threats, etc., should prohibit anyone from owning guns, period. That wouldn't 100% solve the problem, but it would be a start. You know what would solve the problem, though? If guns simply didn't exist. I know you can't imagine that, but I can. I have lived that, and it's amazing. And before you tell me to go live there, trust me, that's always an option. There are good things and bad things about America, and I have the perspective of having lived in multiple countries, have you?

[teedoff]

That's not how it works. You don't get to decide the fate of a group of people because you think it's ok to own guns. And you don't speak for every American. Most of the people I know don't own guns or want anyone to own guns. What happened in Germany is a group of people who were gullible and easily manipulated were fooled into blaming all the country's problems on Jews and thought that these "evil Jews" need to be eliminated, so they empowered a fascist narcissist. Sound familiar? Oh, here it's the "illegals" and the muslims.

Nobody is against legal, law-abiding citizens owning guns to defend themselves. People are against lunatics owning guns. Guns should be difficult to get. Having a criminal record, history of mental health issues, history of making threats, etc., should prohibit anyone from owning guns, period. That wouldn't 100% solve the problem, but it would be a start. You know what would solve the problem, though? If guns simply didn't exist. I know you can't imagine that, but I can. I have lived that, and it's amazing. And before you tell me to go live there, trust me, that's always an option. There are good things and bad things about America, and I have the perspective of having lived in multiple countries, have you?

Hitler wanted to exterminate the jews. First step was making sure they couldn't defend themselves. Americans has remain mostly free and invasion free.for over 200 years BECAUSE we have guns in most every home. We should the British that in the revolutionary war.

And most of the ppl I know OWN guns and I've owned and grew up with my dad and his dad owning guns. Guess what I've never seen. A mass shooting.

As far as nuts owning guns, of course I'm opposed to that as any right minded person would be. We have regulations and steps to hopefully prevent that. You have to go through background checks and psyc exams to get a permit.

We see mass shootings and think omh let's ban guns. What about the gun deaths ever week in cities like Chicago or Baltimore by illegally obtained guns. No one talks that. Wonder why? Because the leftist agenda is to disarm law abiding, freedom loving Americans! Liberals and socialists hate armed citizens, and everyone better wake up and start understanding why that is.

One last thought. Americans are the most medicated people on earth. How many times has it been discovered that one of these nuts that shot up a school or church, was on multiple prescriptions for mind altering drugs of some kind. More often than not I'm thinking.

[s1nc1ty]

That's not how it works. You don't get to decide the fate of a group of people because you think it's ok to own guns. And you don't speak for every American. Most of the people I know don't own guns or want anyone to own guns. What happened in Germany is a group of people who were gullible and easily manipulated were fooled into blaming all the country's problems on Jews and thought that these "evil Jews" need to be eliminated, so they empowered a fascist narcissist. Sound familiar? Oh, here it's the "illegals" and the muslims.

Nobody is against legal, law-abiding citizens owning guns to defend themselves. People are against lunatics owning guns. Guns should be difficult to get. Having a criminal record, history of mental health issues, history of making threats, etc., should prohibit anyone from owning guns, period. That wouldn't 100% solve the problem, but it would be a start. You know what would solve the problem, though? If guns simply didn't exist. I know you can't imagine that, but I can. I have lived that, and it's amazing. And before you tell me to go live there, trust me, that's always an option. There are good things and bad things about America, and I have the perspective of having lived in multiple countries, have you?

Where i live it takes time to get a gun permit. You need to go to the police station to get interviewed(why do you want permit etc), to the doctor/ shrink. Then you gotta take mandatory classes to know how to safely operate guns. And you have to buy a gun safe where to safely keep the gun.

This would be a good start. If something is considered a hassle it already deters 50% of people doing it because they too lazy / overthink or whatever

[teedoff]

Where i live it takes time to get a gun permit. You need to go to the police station to get interviewed(why do you want permit etc), to the doctor/ shrink. Then you gotta take mandatory classes to know how to safely operate guns. And you have to buy a gun safe where to safely keep the gun.

This would be a good start. If something is considered a hassle it already deters 50% of people doing it because they too lazy / overthink or whatever

You realize that's the process here as well right? Lol

I had to do a criminal background check, a psyc evaluation, get fingerprinted, talk to the local sheriff. Take a gun safety and shooting class....

Safes aren't required I don't think. Perhaps if you have children in the home.

[Test Monsterone]

Hitler wanted to exterminate the jews. First step was making sure they couldn't defend themselves. Americans has remain mostly free and invasion free.for over 200 years BECAUSE we have guns in most every home. We should the British that in the revolutionary war.

And most of the ppl I know OWN guns and I've owned and grew up with my dad and his dad owning guns. Guess what I've never seen. A mass shooting.

As far as nuts owning guns, of course I'm opposed to that as any right minded person would be. We have regulations and steps to hopefully prevent that. You have to go through background checks and psyc exams to get a permit.

We see mass shootings and think omh let's ban guns. What about the gun deaths ever week in cities like Chicago or Baltimore by illegally obtained guns. No one talks that. Wonder why? Because the leftist agenda is to disarm law abiding, freedom loving Americans! Liberals and socialists hate armed citizens, and everyone better wake up and start understanding why that is.

One last thought. Americans are the most medicated people on earth. How many times has it been discovered that one of these nuts that shot up a school or church, was on multiple prescriptions for mind altering drugs of some kind. More often than not I'm thinking.

In general, in no country in Europe were the citizens armed, including Germany. Hitler didn't take guns away from people, they were never there.

The revolutionary war was in a time where we had 13 colonies with a militia. There was no formal army. There were no police stations, no way to call for help, no way to defend against Indians. And must I remind you, the guns then were muskets that took a long time to reload and had one shot. We have the most powerful military in the world now. Do you really think that if the government decided to turn on it's own people we would have any chance, even with the most powerful civilian weapons available? Zero chance. Our infrastructure, our food, our water, our electricity can all be cancelled in an instant by the government if it wanted to.

You say that "we have regulations and steps" to prevent lunatics from owning guns, but at the same time you say that it has been discovered that many of these lunatics who shot up places were on multiple psych medications. So which is it? How did they get the guns if they were crazy? That shooter in Uvalde was a Class A lunatic and got all his guns and ammo within a few days of the shooting. Where were the background checks and permits then?

The other point about inner city crime that you mention - where did those guns come from? Every gun on the street was once a legally purchased firearm. How did these guns end up in the hands of criminals? How about we make a system where every 6 months to a year you have to go to a place that evaluates your weapon, makes sure it's functional and you are still legally in standing to own a weapon, then you get to keep your weapon? And if you don't take your gun to get registered, then the police show up at your house and confiscate your weapon. You mentioned cars killing people. Isn't that how it works with cars? You first get a permit, then learn how to drive, then take a test 6 months later, then get a license, then have to purchase a vehicle that is inspected and registered yearly. And if you get a DUI, you don't get to drive anymore. And you pay insurance so that if you get into an accident, the other person is compensated. Why are guns treated differently, as weapons, no less? Cars at least have some utility. Guns are mostly for hunting, target practice, and collectors items - or, let's not forget suicide, gun crimes, and mass shootings.

So simply saying look at Baltimore or look at Chicago - yes, I agree with you. Guns exist. Guns = gun crime. If there weren't guns, all those kids shooting each other would be getting into, at most, a fist fight or occasional stabbing, and go home and probably not do it again. See, you don't get to decide where gun culture starts and ends. Gun culture, in my eyes, includes all the criminals and wanna be gangsters who buy and own guns, legally or not. The people who want to own guns should be the people protecting others from gun harm, but it seems like they're not doing such a good job.

[Test Monsterone]

You realize that's the process here as well right? Lol

I had to do a criminal background check, a psyc evaluation, get fingerprinted, talk to the local sheriff. Take a gun safety and shooting class....

Safes aren't required I don't think. Perhaps if you have children in the home.

I didn't.. I just literally went to a gun store, high out of my mind on weed, bought a gun, came back 3 days later and listened to some fat ass talk about gun safety for 30 minutes, then walked out with my gun. That's the majority of states in the US. Where do you live that there are such strict gun laws? Seems to me these gun laws are more of a suggestion than a requirement in most places.

[teedoff]

I didn't.. I just literally went to a gun store, high out of my mind on weed, bought a gun, came back 3 days later and listened to some fat ass talk about gun safety for 30 minutes, then walked out with my gun. That's the majority of states in the US. Where do you live that there are such strict gun laws? Seems to me these gun laws are more of a suggestion than a requirement in most places.

Then wherever you live and bought guns broke the law. At least in most states I'm familiar with. I can not buy a gun without at least buying a permit. At a gun store or pawn shop. Of course if buying from a private seller, there's not much in place to track or restrict that type of transaction.

Permits require the same background checks as my conceal carry permit does. Other that the required gun safety class you must pass.

And yes Hitler did enact gun bans on Jews and other groups of ppl he deemed a threat to his party's power. Not hard to find that information. Google Warner best.....

[Test Monsterone]

Then wherever you live and bought guns broke the law. At least in most states I'm familiar with. I can not buy a gun without at least buying a permit. At a gun store or pawn shop. Of course if buying from a private seller, there's not much in place to track or restrict that type of transaction.

Permits require the same background checks as my conceal carry permit does. Other that the required gun safety class you must pass.

And yes Hitler did enact gun bans on Jews and other groups of ppl he deemed a threat to his party's power. Not hard to find that information. Google Warner best.....

FL, but I live in PA now. PA is the same basically. Private selling wouldn't be a problem if guns were required to be registered every year and if private sales were subject to the same laws as purchasing from a gun shop. I don't know why it's any different. There are too many holes and ways around things.

[teedoff]

FL, but I live in PA now. PA is the same basically. Private selling wouldn't be a problem if guns were required to be registered every year and if private sales were subject to the same laws as purchasing from a gun shop. I don't know why it's any different. There are too many holes and ways around things.

So in 2013, there were only 4 states that didn't require a permit to buy a gun. That said, not sure if that means the buyer also doesn't have to pass background checks and such or not.

I'm not opposed to gun law, I AM opposed to gun restrictions for law abiding, sane persons.

The problem is, laws and restrictions only affect the law abiding owners. That, I'm against.

[wango]

Thanks for the thread. It reminds me to call my broker to invest in gun/ammunition related stocks, particularly related to AR-15’s. Sales tend to escalate before Presidential elections where one chosen candidate will push for a change in gun laws.

[Test Monsterone]

The problem is, laws and restrictions only affect the law abiding owners. That, I'm against.

I say that if someone sells a gun to anyone illegally, they get a mandatory 5 years in jail. If you don't bring the gun in every year for registration and to update your ownership of the weapon, the swat shows up at your house and you do 1 year in jail. Serious responsibilities require serious consequences. Laws are what keep us safe from each other. If you are that serious about owning weapons, then you should be held to a very serious standard.

[wango]

OK, as expected here comes the AR-15 backlash from some politicians. I’m literally calling my broker on Monday. From what I can see Smith and Wesson & Ruger are two possible contenders. Let’s make a buck on this shit!

EDITED: Done, just got off of the phone. Bought a bunch of each.

[Test Monsterone]

OK, as expected here comes the AR-15 backlash from some politicians. I’m literally calling my broker on Monday. From what I can see Smith and Wesson & Ruger are two possible contenders. Let’s make a buck on this shit!

It's almost as if mass shootings are good for business...


Aha, I figured out the formula.

You start by selling guns to as many people as possible. When shootings happen, blame leftists for trying to stifle gun ownership and then fear monger the base to increase gun sales (they're gonna take your guns!!). Pay off politicians to lower gun restrictions/laws so that more guns get sold and more shootings happen. Wait for next mass shooting. Send thoughts and prayers. Encourage more gun ownership to protect against gun violence. Profit.

[wango]

It's almost as if mass shootings are good for business...

Let’s see how this does till the election. If someone who supports any measures on the AR-15 win, I’ll keep the stock longer. Let’s see if the sales-history repeats itself.

[Mooseman33]

I hate when foreigners try to tell us Americans how gun laws should be.

everyone with a brain knows gun laws won't stop this shit...

[Davi Meireles]

How many more have to die before they change the gun laws in america. I know guns dont kill people people do but look at the statistics. Nobody needs an ar15 at home and there are too many guns overall at homes etc and too easy to get them.

I know all the americans say its ammendment right but imo that doesnt mean shit. Nothing in this life is carved into stone. The fact that it once was doesnt mean it always has to be like that.

Its just the gun owners dont want to give away theyr precious guns. But in reality, you dont need it. The times have passed on since when armed civillians could defend the nation from dictatorship etc

This is my thoughts coming from europe where these things are very rare. Another coward running arund with ar15 killing 20 innocent people. Sad

If you don't know, the guy who went out shooting and killing people had psychological problems. He was a former soldier in the American army, psychological disorders and post-traumatic disorders are very common among military personnel. In my view, guns save lives more than they kill... A nation where citizens have guns is a free nation.

[Davi Meireles]

If I lived in the USA and were an American citizen I would definitely buy a lot of guns! Most other countries should take America as an example. Donald Trump has already given the message that whoever robs stores in the USA will be shot... He's the right guy for the US presidency in my opinion as a foreigner JUST my opinion!

[XnavyHMCS]

I've lived on both sides of the fence, gents; a lifetime NRA member and gun owner with a concealed carry permit, to currently living in my second EU country, where I have had hunting permits and firearms licenses; I can speak from experience here (doesn't make me an expert).

TM presented very compelling arguments; he made great sense.

To the "historian"; the Europeans have never been armed, ever. Pick up a history book and educate yourself so you don't sound ignorant spouting "right-wing rhetoric" (right-wing is my stripe of politics). Hitler's intention, when he was appointed to power, was twofold. He merely rubber-stamped the current state of Germany (unarmed), and he enacted legislation to clean up a nation awash with weapons (mainly in the hands of Freikorps members, not Jews...) from the First World War.

Personally, I am in favor of "sensible" gun laws; whatever that means... The problem in the USA is that the situation is so far advanced, we cannot turn back the clock.

Aside from Davi; we are the laughing stock of the world with our gun crimes, mass shootings, school shootings, south sides of Chicagos... A sad situation, which defies a simple solution.

[Test Monsterone]

If you don't know, the guy who went out shooting and killing people had psychological problems. He was a former soldier in the American army, psychological disorders and post-traumatic disorders are very common among military personnel. In my view, guns save lives more than they kill... A nation where citizens have guns is a free nation.

In your own country of Brazil there were 43,200 gun related deaths in 2016. That is 1/6 of gun deaths in the entire world. There are 195 countries in the world. Every study out there shows a positive correlation between the number of guns and number of gun deaths in a country. This is the same with anything. The more cars you have, the more car accidents. The more hard drugs, the more drug deaths.

Check this out:
"The global burden of diseases, injuries, and risk factors study (GBD) estimated the occurrence of 251,000 firearms deaths globally in 2016, resulting from homicides, suicides, and unintentional causes [1]. Half of these deaths occurred in six countries: Brazil (43200), the USA (37200), Mexico (15400), Colombia (13300), Venezuela (12800), and Guatemala (5090). Thus, Brazil accounted for about one-sixth of all firearms deaths [1]. There are large global differences in rates, ranging from 0.2 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants in Singapore in 2016 to 39.4 deaths per 100,000 in El Salvador during the same period [1], which may be partly explained by differences in socioeconomic standing, inequalities, cultural perspectives, and availability of weapons [2].
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Global studies indicate that high mortality rates from violence by firearm are intrinsically related to greater availability of weapons [1, 8].
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In 2000, the South Africa Firearms Control Act was approved, prohibiting the possession of weapons except under specific conditions. Law enforcement studies have pointed out that there was a 13.5% reduction in rates of violent deaths per year after the arms control law; more than 4500 deaths were prevented in five South African cities between 2001 and 2005 [15]."


https://pophealthmetrics.biomedcentr...63-020-00222-3

[Honkey_Kong]

How many more have to die before they change the gun laws in america. I know guns dont kill people people do but look at the statistics. Nobody needs an ar15 at home and there are too many guns overall at homes etc and too easy to get them.

I know all the americans say its ammendment right but imo that doesnt mean shit. Nothing in this life is carved into stone. The fact that it once was doesnt mean it always has to be like that.

Its just the gun owners dont want to give away theyr precious guns. But in reality, you dont need it. The times have passed on since when armed civillians could defend the nation from dictatorship etc

This is my thoughts coming from europe where these things are very rare. Another coward running arund with ar15 killing 20 innocent people. Sad

Sorry, but you're not an American. So your opinion on the laws in this country don't matter.

[s1nc1ty]

Sorry, but you're not an American. So your opinion on the laws in this country don't matter.

I thought this much was obvious. This is just friendly discussion.

Just imo the ar15 is a cowards weapon. Imagine if kimbo (no offence kimbo) rolled up to steroid.com headquarters with a trench coat and an ar15 and gunned down cuz, mooseman, you and everyone else who he dislikes. Why allow such people commit such acts by having such weapons easily obtainable... basically the psychos are only ones who really use those weapons. Others just jerk off to them, take them to the range or whatever just play with it. No need to have it completely imo. Less weapons, safer to live for everyone.

But yeah, i have no power over this nor do i care honestly, its just sad to see innocent women, children etc die at the hands of cowardly shits. If my family would live in the us i would not feel safe... i would be a little worried every day that they might get shot or whatever. Its a low chance i know, but in america, its possible you never know

[Davi Meireles]

Well, let's go! Let's not put the blame on legal weapons, with the weapons documentation, everything is fine with the government... Because no one can stop a scoundrel from buying weapons on the black market. WEAPONS. In Brazil, many data on deaths from firearms are manipulated by most researches, discarding any death resulting from natural deaths, as if it were caused by a firearm.... Here in Brazil, citizens are at the mercy of crime, Yes. Brazil is very, very violent, daylight robberies, sometimes bank branches with 0.50 and police shootings! Yes, a big urban war where I live located in the State of São Paulo. It's very easy to get weapons on the black market if your intention is to kill someone go to Paraguay, cross the border and get one, we citizens of Brazil are at the mercy of stray rats... But look at the USA, it's a country with a culture of arms and at least armed American citizens have a chance to defend! If some of the people who died by the forty-year-old former American soldier would certainly have greater chances of the number of people being less. Yes, weapons also save lives, but having the mental balance to use them properly. I wouldn't think twice about killing a bum who wants to harm a member of my family, sure America is still an example, they are free citizens, Imo

[Davi Meireles]

I don't know how support for former US war veterans works, but I see that the American government itself abandons these people who served the country. This all influences the guy's head to the point that he freaks out ...I'm sure I would go crazier than I already am if I went through a war on a battlefield.... War syndrome is something common and needs sufficient therapy to treat.

[teedoff]

I thought this much was obvious. This is just friendly discussion.

Just imo the ar15 is a cowards weapon. Imagine if kimbo (no offence kimbo) rolled up to steroid.com headquarters with a trench coat and an ar15 and gunned down cuz, mooseman, you and everyone else who he dislikes. Why allow such people commit such acts by having such weapons easily obtainable... basically the psychos are only ones who really use those weapons. Others just jerk off to them, take them to the range or whatever just play with it. No need to have it completely imo. Less weapons, safer to live for everyone.

But yeah, i have no power over this nor do i care honestly, its just sad to see innocent women, children etc die at the hands of cowardly shits. If my family would live in the us i would not feel safe... i would be a little worried every day that they might get shot or whatever. Its a low chance i know, but in america, its possible you never know

If this is a friendly discussion, then stop with the cowardly name calling bullshit!

So now according to you, I'm a coward cause I own one? Really?? I own an ar15. Its a freaking rifle just like any other rifle! The ONLY difference is it has railing to mount scopes or lights or whatever.

Just because it looks scary to you, means nothing. I don't come to your country and tell you how to live and what to by or not by.

I'm so tired of the anti gun, anti American bullshit. If not for us, you'd all be goose stepping now. And if mods or any others don't like this response, remove it.

[XnavyHMCS]

I thought this much was obvious. This is just friendly discussion.

Just imo the ar15 is a cowards weapon. Imagine if kimbo (no offence kimbo) rolled up to steroid.com headquarters with a trench coat and an ar15 and gunned down cuz, mooseman, you and everyone else who he dislikes. Why allow such people commit such acts by having such weapons easily obtainable... basically the psychos are only ones who really use those weapons. Others just jerk off to them, take them to the range or whatever just play with it. No need to have it completely imo. Less weapons, safer to live for everyone.

But yeah, i have no power over this nor do i care honestly, its just sad to see innocent women, children etc die at the hands of cowardly shits. If my family would live in the us i would not feel safe... i would be a little worried every day that they might get shot or whatever. Its a low chance i know, but in america, its possible you never know

THIS; Fucking THIS...!!! Purely in the vein of eloquence and humility; abject and without aggression. His response brings a newfound hope for the shelf-life of this particular thread, as I had serious doubts about the discussion, as I was packing my lunch in preparation for the day today.

This thread is a ticking time bomb, gents; lets try to remain civil and nonpolitical.

[XnavyHMCS]

Sorry, but you're not an American. So your opinion on the laws in this country don't matter.

And I totally agree with this statement.

The perplexing phenomena is that, oftentimes the further one is removed from a situation, the more, the better they can see...

[almostgone]

I thought this much was obvious. This is just friendly discussion.

Just imo the ar15 is a cowards weapon. Imagine if kimbo (no offence kimbo) rolled up to steroid.com headquarters with a trench coat and an ar15 and gunned down cuz, mooseman, you and everyone else who he dislikes. Why allow such people commit such acts by having such weapons easily obtainable... basically the psychos are only ones who really use those weapons. Others just jerk off to them, take them to the range or whatever just play with it. No need to have it completely imo. Less weapons, safer to live for everyone.

But yeah, i have no power over this nor do i care honestly, its just sad to see innocent women, children etc die at the hands of cowardly shits. If my family would live in the us i would not feel safe... i would be a little worried every day that they might get shot or whatever. Its a low chance i know, but in america, its possible you never know

The same thing can be done with a Ruger Mini-14 or a Ruger Mini-30, often referred to as a ranchers weapon for those that don't like lever actions.
The Minis have detachable mags and several models come factory with 20 round mags.
Available in 5.56 NATO or 7.62 x39.

Your opinion of who is a coward is of minimal concern.

[almostgone]

Guys, keep the thread right or you know the deal.

[wango]

The same thing can be done with a Ruger Mini-14 or a Ruger Mini-30.

Your opinion of who is a coward is of minimal concern.

Go Ruger! But my Ruger stock started the day dropping

[almostgone]

Go Ruger! But my Ruger stock started the day dropping

Hold onto it. Most cattle farmers down my way don't leave hone without them. Coyotes seem to have made a comeback along with copperheads this year.

[XnavyHMCS]

If this is a friendly discussion, then stop with the cowardly name calling bullshit!

So now according to you, I'm a coward cause I own one? Really?? I own an ar15. Its a freaking rifle just like any other rifle! The ONLY difference is it has railing to mount scopes or lights or whatever.

Just because it looks scary to you, means nothing. I don't come to your country and tell you how to live and what to by or not by.

I'm so tired of the anti gun, anti American bullshit. If not for us, you'd all be goose stepping now. And if mods or any others don't like this response, remove it.

Truth Bomb in the bold print; as much as our European partners are loath to admit; we literally pulled their asses out of the fire in two world wars (Now Davi, my Brazilian brother; I know that your nation contributed to the second continental conflict, but perhaps I am remiss in my research; the fighters of the Brazilian Expeditionary Force nicknamed Cobras Fumantes (literally "the Smoking Snakes"), were completely outfitted and equipped by none other than Uncle Sam; from their helmets to their boots, not to mention their complete accoutrement of arms, both light and heavy). The Second World War was, in my view, won by an Allied "Tripartite Pact" (you see what I did there): Russian blood (they paid the highest price in human lives, along with doing the lions share of the bleeding of the Boche), British balls (by their stalwart refusal to subjugate themselves to Teutonic exigencies, they afforded the American industrial colossus a safe and impregnable platform from which was ultimately staged the largest amphibious assault that the world has ever witnessed) and American bullion (simply put; we paid for the whole fucking show; we bankrolled the entire Allied Alliance).

I think teedoff (he sounds a bit; doesn't he) came back with a capital response; TOUCHE...!!!

[XnavyHMCS]

Guys, keep the thread right or you know the deal.

AG keeping it real...!!!

It must be handful to control the uncontrollable temperaments of the esteemed members under the trance of Trenbolone...

[XnavyHMCS]

The same thing can be done with a Ruger Mini-14 or a Ruger Mini-30, often referred to as a ranchers weapon for those that don't like lever actions.
The Minis have detachable mags and several models come factory with 20 round mags.
Available in 5.56 NATO or 7.62 x39.

Your opinion of who is a coward is of minimal concern.

I still have my Mini-14 which I purchased in 1983. I did outfit my rifle with a folding stock, in the middle 1990's.

She is a dream...!!! And as AG said; she can rock out the carnage to the equivalent of any AR...

[wango]

Hold onto it. Most cattle farmers down my way don't leave hone without them. Coyotes seem to have made a comeback along with copperheads this year.

Just bought stocks in it and Smith and Wesson yesterday. Gun sales traditionally go up after mass shootings (and election years when gun rights are an issue). Don’t know bought how much Coyotes and Snakes affect sales, but mass shooting people? Killing people is business & business is good. Now I have to listen to Megadeath, lol.

[wango]

I still have my Mini-14 which I purchased in 1983. I did outfit my rifle with a folding stock, in the middle 1990's.

She is a dream...!!! And as AG said; she can rock out the carnage to the equivalent of any AR...

Is there an estimated 25 million of those out here in the US (like the AR-15)? Must be if they’re that good I’m guessing. Go Ruger!

[almostgone]

AG keeping it real...!!!

It must be handful to control the uncontrollable temperaments of the esteemed members under the trance of Trenbolone...

It's the only way to maintain a semblance of order. BC didn't create this place to make it an online bitchfest fueled by instigators and haters

Passion for your topic is one thing ....hell, it's great if you're capable of communicating it in an adult manner.

When people start getting out of hand, you have to rattle the cage or thin the herd, you know?

I'm just trying to keep it down to a dull roar.

[Davi Meireles]

If I had a psychotic break I would try to do things like Frank Castle, no shooting innocent people! But criminals, criminals, people who did me harm in some way, those they would pay every penny.