Need PCT advice after becoming a near vegetable (bus accident) HELP!!

[SuperVegeta]

You need to explain what you ran for PCT, how long you ran it, and how long it has been since your PCT ended. It is not clear what "finished my PCT as laid out above" means, since there was some wiggle room on doses.

Include the lab, not the vendor, for the drugs you used. Some are more likely to be legit than others.

In short, refresh our minds and give us details about what you actually did.

Hi, thanks for responding.

My PCT was: 12.5mg Enclomiphene ED for 2 weeks, then 6.25mg for 4 weeks. 20mg Nolva ED for 1 week, then 10mg for 5 weeks. 6 weeks total starting on 06 10 2024 morning. Finished on 17 11 2025. Done nothing since, been 3.5ish months since now it's early March 2025.

Erm, I'm in UK, not sure if you have heard of them. Either way I used Janoshik (HPLC testing) to verify everything I used. So they were legitimate. I used Receptor Chems Enclomiphene. Intex Pharma Nolva. (I have enough money so I just bought like 5 different brands of PCT/Gear and sent them all off for HPLC blind testing).

What I did cycle wise was just the original post. You summarised my blabbering in an earlier post (#6).

A better way would be:

Hey, I did a cycle with long esters to start, shorter ones to finish. Test E, Mast E, some NPP in the first half, Mast P, Tren A, Test P in the back 9 weeks. HCG throughout, Adex .25 mg EOD throughout. Did some a-bombs in weeks 4 - 8.

But even that looks daffy.

My face is bloated/fat even though I am really lean (lower ab veins. Before PEDS at this bodyweight/composition my face was pretty much hollowed out/emaciated (in a good looking/preferable way.) Maintaining my present day self just revolves around me eating at a permanent deficit (not much effort clean balanced diet), still training hard bodybuilding style, but I am forcing myself so much. I fall over like 5+ times a day as I'm just so damn dead tired. Like I walk in the shop, then I fall and knock into the cereal boxes or something. I don't black out, I just feel like I have been awake for like 50+ hours and have 0 control, I am so damn tired). I am so confused as I swear I'm holding fat like a lady these days, my love handles are quite flabby. This has never happened before.

I am taking so long to recover from my workouts, muscles are sore like 5+ days later. Never used to be sore with much harder workouts even before PEDs. Still getting way stronger, must be muscle memory since I was recovering from that accident.

Please help. My doctor wants me to have a 24 hour holter monitor fitted on 06 03 2025 too. I also complained about swollen glands/nodes in my neck on each side. Also the bloods my Doctor requested from 07 02 2025 all came back within range:
Full Blood Count
HbA1c (Diabetes)
Liver Function Test
Thyroid Function Test
Liver and Kidneys
CRP (Test for inflammation)
Immunoglobulin
Anti tTG (Celiacs Disease)

Sorry for the mountains of text. I just have nobody to ask for this stuff and my Doctor is going to take months. I can't live like this. All the symptoms above have nothing to do with my bus accident, I can feel out that those symptoms are more physical/manageable.

Why is this happening man? I did my PCT as planned/waited months and my Testosterone levels are still basically nothing and I'm feeling dead.

Thanks.

[Cylon357]

Hi, thanks for responding.

My PCT was: 12.5mg Enclomiphene ED for 2 weeks, then 6.25mg for 4 weeks. 20mg Nolva ED for 1 week, then 10mg for 5 weeks. 6 weeks total starting on 06 10 2024 morning. Finished on 17 11 2025. Done nothing since, been 3.5ish months since now it's early March 2025.

Erm, I'm in UK, not sure if you have heard of them. Either way I used Janoshik (HPLC testing) to verify everything I used. So they were legitimate. I used Receptor Chems Enclomiphene. Intex Pharma Nolva. (I have enough money so I just bought like 5 different brands of PCT/Gear and sent them all off for HPLC blind testing).

What I did cycle wise was just the original post. You summarised my blabbering in an earlier post (#6).



My face is bloated/fat even though I am really lean (lower ab veins. Before PEDS at this bodyweight/composition my face was pretty much hollowed out/emaciated (in a good looking/preferable way.) Maintaining my present day self just revolves around me eating at a permanent deficit (not much effort clean balanced diet), still training hard bodybuilding style, but I am forcing myself so much. I fall over like 5+ times a day as I'm just so damn dead tired. Like I walk in the shop, then I fall and knock into the cereal boxes or something. I don't black out, I just feel like I have been awake for like 50+ hours and have 0 control, I am so damn tired). I am so confused as I swear I'm holding fat like a lady these days, my love handles are quite flabby. This has never happened before.

I am taking so long to recover from my workouts, muscles are sore like 5+ days later. Never used to be sore with much harder workouts even before PEDs. Still getting way stronger, must be muscle memory since I was recovering from that accident.

Please help. My doctor wants me to have a 24 hour holter monitor fitted on 06 03 2025 too. I also complained about swollen glands/nodes in my neck on each side. Also the bloods my Doctor requested from 07 02 2025 all came back within range:
Full Blood Count
HbA1c (Diabetes)
Liver Function Test
Thyroid Function Test
Liver and Kidneys
CRP (Test for inflammation)
Immunoglobulin
Anti tTG (Celiacs Disease)

Sorry for the mountains of text. I just have nobody to ask for this stuff and my Doctor is going to take months. I can't live like this. All the symptoms above have nothing to do with my bus accident, I can feel out that those symptoms are more physical/manageable.

Why is this happening man? I did my PCT as planned/waited months and my Testosterone levels are still basically nothing and I'm feeling dead.

Thanks.

Ok so that doesn't seem like your PCT was successful at all. There are no guarantees of restart, but this seems a bit off.

Also, it sounds like you are having blood pressure issues if you are nearly falling over. That is concerning, more than the low test.

I am not a doctor, but I THINK I would do one of two things.

1 - Get some different enclo and run 12.5mg per week for 4 weeks. Maybe even add a 2 weeks of HCG at 500iu EOD before starting the enclo.
2 - Get going with that blast and cruise life.

Neither is a great option as I think you are younger, and that fainting thing is concerning.

I REALLY can't stress that last part enough: if you are nearly fainting or falling over that is a BIG PROBLEM.

That said, running the HCG should visually tell you if the boys are working again. Then enclo from somewhere else would be my go to, because there has been some suspect talk of Jano lately. I'm not saying it was fake, but your numbers don't lie.

Not gonna lie, I would monitor the BP closely. That is a dangerous situation. I might even hold off doing anything else until that is resolved.

[SuperVegeta]

Ok so that doesn't seem like your PCT was successful at all. There are no guarantees of restart, but this seems a bit off.

Also, it sounds like you are having blood pressure issues if you are nearly falling over. That is concerning, more than the low test.

I am not a doctor, but I THINK I would do one of two things.

1 - Get some different enclo and run 12.5mg per week for 4 weeks. Maybe even add a 2 weeks of HCG at 500iu EOD before starting the enclo.
2 - Get going with that blast and cruise life.

Neither is a great option as I think you are younger, and that fainting thing is concerning.

I REALLY can't stress that last part enough: if you are nearly fainting or falling over that is a BIG PROBLEM.

That said, running the HCG should visually tell you if the boys are working again. Then enclo from somewhere else would be my go to, because there has been some suspect talk of Jano lately. I'm not saying it was fake, but your numbers don't lie.

Not gonna lie, I would monitor the BP closely. That is a dangerous situation. I might even hold off doing anything else until that is resolved.

Hi, thanks for your message.

Yeah I was thinking that too. That perhaps fainting is more serious, but I don't know if each part being low testosterone, lack of sleep/other symptoms is making me drowsy as opposed to outright fainting as my GP said my blood pressure is fine.

My gp hasn't asked for more of the extensive blood tests required in the steroid world (shgb, lh/fsh, prolactin etc). Was thinking of getting that myself before BNCing? How come u didn't mention it?

Oh man I don't know what to do. But some thoughts based on your 2 options.

1st preferred but illogical thought: If I go the Enclo/HCG route, maybe I'll be suppressed after finishing again. (My thoughts is that the Npp/Trenbolone use has the metabolites hanging around for 18 months post usage hence suppressing me no matter what. But how true is that concept?) So really, no matter how I PCT in the 18 month window, these metabolites will continue to relentlessly suppress me? Not to mention the hormonal fluctuations since they are essentially working against eachother. Would cause more issues if anything.

2nd/not preferred but more logical thought: If I go the BNC route WITHOUT the likes of Npp/Trenbolone for the sake of restarting the 18 month metabolite suppression timer. I'd be on it just long enough until the 18 months expires. So, 18 months from 29 09 2024 (last pin of Npp/Trenbolone) would be 29 03 2026. So to start BNCing now-29 03 2026, THEN PCT off as normal? Though the 18 month thing may not be exact, but atleast my PCT has a chance of working facts wise?

Atleast with BNCing there won't be any hormonal fluctuations as there won't be any PCTing/waiting for bloods etc plus it would overpower the suppression caused by the metabolites for the duration of that proposed 18 month window.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

[Cylon357]

Hi, thanks for your message.

Yeah I was thinking that too. That perhaps fainting is more serious, but I don't know if each part being low testosterone, lack of sleep/other symptoms is making me drowsy as opposed to outright fainting as my GP said my blood pressure is fine.

My gp hasn't asked for more of the extensive blood tests required in the steroid world (shgb, lh/fsh, prolactin etc). Was thinking of getting that myself before BNCing? How come u didn't mention it?

Oh man I don't know what to do. But some thoughts based on your 2 options.

1st preferred but illogical thought: If I go the Enclo/HCG route, maybe I'll be suppressed after finishing again. (My thoughts is that the Npp/Trenbolone use has the metabolites hanging around for 18 months post usage hence suppressing me no matter what. But how true is that concept?) So really, no matter how I PCT in the 18 month window, these metabolites will continue to relentlessly suppress me? Not to mention the hormonal fluctuations since they are essentially working against eachother. Would cause more issues if anything.

2nd/not preferred but more logical thought: If I go the BNC route WITHOUT the likes of Npp/Trenbolone for the sake of restarting the 18 month metabolite suppression timer. I'd be on it just long enough until the 18 months expires. So, 18 months from 29 09 2024 (last pin of Npp/Trenbolone) would be 29 03 2026. So to start BNCing now-29 03 2026, THEN PCT off as normal? Though the 18 month thing may not be exact, but atleast my PCT has a chance of working facts wise?

Atleast with BNCing there won't be any hormonal fluctuations as there won't be any PCTing/waiting for bloods etc plus it would overpower the suppression caused by the metabolites for the duration of that proposed 18 month window.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

Anything I didn't mention, like additional blood work, should be plainly obvious. You have to help yourself, man.

As for the rest, I've provided as much feedback as I can. You will need to get input from elsewhere. Good luck and get that fainting thing checked.

[SuperVegeta]

Anything I didn't mention, like additional blood work, should be plainly obvious. You have to help yourself, man.

As for the rest, I've provided as much feedback as I can. You will need to get input from elsewhere. Good luck and get that fainting thing checked.

Hmmm, yeah I am just stressed out. I just want to know if I am missing anything as in my current state I don't know what is going on.

Please help enough until I'm stable. I just have a few ideas to brainstorm. This was the last one. It is nice to bounce ideas onto people who know their stuff. Then I can read back on it for notes. From then on out I'll figure out my stuff on my own.

Yeah, will sort that fainting thing out.

But what do you think about the 2 scenarios with the metabolites thingy in mind? As mentioned, just need some thoughts to bounce back on. This would dictate my life, I'm still learning.

Thanks.

[Cylon357]

Hmmm, yeah I am just stressed out. I just want to know if I am missing anything as in my current state I don't know what is going on.

Please help enough until I'm stable. I just have a few ideas to brainstorm. This was the last one. It is nice to bounce ideas onto people who know their stuff. Then I can read back on it for notes. From then on out I'll figure out my stuff on my own.

Yeah, will sort that fainting thing out.

But what do you think about the 2 scenarios with the metabolites thingy in mind? As mentioned, just need some thoughts to bounce back on. This would dictate my life, I'm still learning.

Thanks.

I have no additional thoughts on the matter. You will need to coverse with someone more versed in your specific case. Good luck!