State of the Union

[Red Ketchup]

Let me get this straight...

- Your brothers and sisters are dying in Iraq over "assumed" WMD's
- Osama is still on the loose (remember him? the most dangerous criminal in the world)
- Things are again worsening for our troops in Afhanistan
- Your rights and freedoms are being decimated
- The national debt is reaching new highs...

And the leader of the most powerfull nation on the planet is talking about pro sports and steroids on his address?

Er... I'm speechless.

Red

[Mart651]

Let me get this straight...

- Your brothers and sisters are dying in Iraq over "assumed" WMD's
- Osama is still on the loose (remember him? the most dangerous criminal in the world)
- Things are again worsening for our troops in Afhanistan
- Your rights and freedoms are being decimated
- The national debt is reaching new highs...

And the leader of the most powerfull nation on the planet is talking about pro sports and steroids on his address?

Er... I'm speechless.

Red

Did you listen to the whole thing bro? Did you even listen to it at all? He said something about everything you mentioned. I can't realy see anyones point about being mad about what he said about steroids. We spend half the day explaining to newbies on how it will mess them up done improperly.

It's a little bit disheartening to hear you say this **** when your not from here but obviously thanks to America you also have the freedom of speech.
Red I respect your oppinion because your a good bro but you always have some stupid crap to say when it comes to America and yes Bush is America we voted for him and he was democraticly elected by Americans. I have plenty of oppinions about Canada and France but like yours most of them are uneducated and pushed by popular oppinion.

I hope you can see where I'm coming from.

[symatech]

Did you listen to the whole thing bro? Did you even listen to it at all? He said something about everything you mentioned. I can't realy see anyones point about being mad about what he said about steroids. We spend half the day explaining to newbies on how it will mess them up done improperly.

It's a little bit disheartening to hear you say this **** when your not from here but obviously thanks to America you also have the freedom of speech.
Red I respect your oppinion because your a good bro but you always have some stupid crap to say when it comes to America and yes Bush is America we voted for him and he was democraticly elected by Americans. I have plenty of oppinions about Canada and France but like yours most of them are uneducated and pushed by popular oppinion.

I hope you can see where I'm coming from.

Actually, we are in no way responsible for Canada's laws and freedoms. And bush was not democratically elected, had he been he would have won the popular vote. and bush is not america, America is a free country, Bush seems fit to strip the freedoms. are you paying attention? Fingerprints just to get on a plane? secret arrests? detainment without possibility of trial and no notification to family? the patriot act used to be about terrorits only, now its concerned with drugs etc. steroids are drugs. Bush is out of control. I believe his intentions are good, but that doesnt make him right.

[Mart651]

Actually, we are in no way responsible for Canada's laws and freedoms. And bush was not democratically elected, had he been he would have won the popular vote. and bush is not america, America is a free country, Bush seems fit to strip the freedoms. are you paying attention? Fingerprints just to get on a plane? secret arrests? detainment without possibility of trial and no notification to family? the patriot act used to be about terrorits only, now its concerned with drugs etc. steroids are drugs. Bush is out of control. I believe his intentions are good, but that doesnt make him right.

You are right we are in no way responsible for their laws but our resolve to keep the world safe has given all countries that can't protect themselves their freedom. No matter what Canada or France or any other country thinks of us, when its go time they always turn to us.

[Red Ketchup]

Did you listen to the whole thing bro? Did you even listen to it at all?

Unfortunately yes... I did I don't know why though... it's not like I actually care... we have enough with our problems here.

He said something about everything you mentioned.

Did I claim he did not? Bro, in the current atmosphere the fact he even mentions sports and steroids when there is MUCH bigger fish to fry is misdirection worthy of Penn & Teller... this was a State of the Union presentation for crissakes, not a pep talk on a college campus!!!

I can't realy see anyones point about being mad about what he said about steroids. We spend half the day explaining to newbies on how it will mess them up done improperly.

I don't think anyone is mad at Bush for his position on steroids... it's to be expected of ANY politician. How could they say otherwise? But that he took that position in a state of the union address is a little odd.

It's a little bit disheartening to hear you say this **** when your not from here but obviously thanks to America you also have the freedom of speech.

I am indeed not American and as incredible as it might be for you to believe, like most foreigners it gives me the possibility to take a step back and look at the whole picture with detachment... which is not possible for a vast number of Americans caught up in the partisan "my party can do no wrong" politics. See partisanry doesn't affect me as I TRULY do not care at all who is in the white house.

What I DO care about is how those people in the White House affect my friends who do live in the States, and in the last few years I have to admit I do not like what I've been seeing. I have friends in the US military serving in Iraq and it worries me, I worry for friends who see the natl. debt mounting out of control and wonder if their grandkids future is being taxed... and so on... for my friends I do care and worry.

Thanks to America for my freedom of speech? Er... yeah... whatever... lets not go there...

Red I respect your oppinion because your a good bro but you always have some stupid crap to say when it comes to America and yes Bush is America we voted for him and he was democraticly elected by Americans. I have plenty of oppinions about Canada and France but like yours most of them are uneducated and pushed by popular oppinion.
I hope you can see where I'm coming from.

Stupid crap? Why is that? Because I do not follow blindly the party line and dare to have my own unbiased opinons? Because I do NOT believe in the concept of "my country right or wrong"? Because you do not like to hear what I have to say? (was anything I wrote in my initial post inacurate???) When it comes to "democratically elected" I guess your and my definition of that differs... but lets not go there.

As for uneducated opinions you'll probably be surprised to hear that most of the educated world knows a LOT more about the USA and it's politics than you think and of course we have ALL your media outlets here, as well as many world wide ones... each having it's own bias, but put them together and you do get a pretty balanced view.

I do see where you're coming from, but your partisanry overshadows the message you're trying to get across (not a slam here bro, I'm just stating what I see as an outsider).

Red

[mfenske]

Red Ketchup for president. Right on bro. Mark

[Red Ketchup]

Red Ketchup for president. Right on bro. Mark

Good god no!!!! I would NOT want that job!

You will notice that I try NEVER to attack Bush personally. I do not agree with his (and his staffs) policies and actions on many things, but as a person he gets nothing but respect from me.

He is NOT a moron as some say, and for stepping up at the plate and giving the job his best shot he gets 2 thumbs up from me... I do wish people could dissociate "Bush bashing" or "America Bashing" with disagreeing with the current administration way of doing things. It's 2 very different things.

Red

[mfenske]

Posted by Red Ketchup -
Today at 05:39 PM I do wish people could dissociate "Bush bashing" or "America Bashing" with disagreeing with the current administration way of doing things. It's 2 very different things.

Again, I agree completely. I love being an American, but I'm not a fan of our current leadership. It scares me that so many blindly support the Bush administration. Mark

[fudgedelic]

Again, I agree completely. I love being an American, but I'm not a fan of our current leadership. It scares me that so many blindly support the Bush administration. Mark

I agree totally. Also it's ironic that if you disagree with the current government you're unpatriotic, unamerican, and should get out. This country is here because hundreds of years ago we didn't agree with our government, also the declaration of independance is a summary of john locke's social contract theory and basically states that if you don't agree with your government you have the right to change or abolish it.

[tryingtogetbig]

Good god no!!!! I would NOT want that job!

You will notice that I try NEVER to attack Bush personally. I do not agree with his (and his staffs) policies and actions on many things, but as a person he gets nothing but respect from me.

He is NOT a moron as some say, and for stepping up at the plate and giving the job his best shot he gets 2 thumbs up from me... I do wish people could dissociate "Bush bashing" or "America Bashing" with disagreeing with the current administration way of doing things. It's 2 very different things.

Red

You are right on with what you are saying Red. That's why you always have my respect...even if I don't agree with you on a particular topic.

We always agree on hunting though...less complicated to say the least! lol

peace,

ttgb

[hoss827]

You are right on with what you are saying Red. That's why you always have my respect...even if I don't agree with you on a particular topic.

We always agree on hunting though...less complicated to say the least! lol

peace,

ttgb

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What do you bro's hunt? i hunted that gigantic bear , that's me in the picture...boy does the camera make people look different...

[Carlos_E]

Let me get this straight...

- Your brothers and sisters are dying in Iraq over "assumed" WMD's
- Osama is still on the loose (remember him? the most dangerous criminal in the world)
- Things are again worsening for our troops in Afhanistan
- Your rights and freedoms are being decimated
- The national debt is reaching new highs...

And the leader of the most powerfull nation on the planet is talking about pro sports and steroids on his address?

Er... I'm speechless.

Red

LOL

Exactly!