well for one I dont think I have EVER recommended someone cycle 25mg of dbol - just too weak IMO - and you said:

"best to pick up as few sides as possible"

THAT's exactly why i dont think dbol is necessary - its not all about liver - I know 4wks aint gonna be that toxic but he then has to think about estrogen sides and all the other crap

But would dbol give good gains with this cycle? Yes. Does he need it? No. Will it big that big of a deal either way? No.

As for doses on the oils - you may be right - personally I have found no gains that were worth what i paid and went through with doses under 500/400

So maybe the answer would be to load up with 500/400 for 3wks then tone down the doses - that what you are recommending?

Oh yeah and about this -

but u talk to him when hes been juicing for 2 weeks and comes on here and says "im not feeling anything"

DAMN good point