Primetime, if you really wanna cut, clen and eca are pretty necessary b/c they burn fat by raising your body temp a little. Neither winny nor eq does this. I'm taking my clen as follows: 2wks on, 2 wks off with ECA on the off weeks. I have .02mg pills and I'll take 1 the first day, 2 the next, 3... until leveling out at about 6 a day. You need to eat a lot on eq especially so I'd run some clen and eca. Good luck. Viper will probably have some good advice too.