View Poll Results: Should the gov't ban Abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markas214
    Yes. Empathy is the ability to understand what others are feeling and why.It requires reason. Animals can't empathize or "relate" on an emational or intellectual level.
    You've given no justification for this line of reasoning and science says otherwise. You lack education on this point. Animals absolutely can relate to one another, they can reason, and anyone that has ever owned a dog will certainly tell you there are times when the dog is happy, sad, guilty etc.... Animals do have emotions, anyone educated in the field will tell you the same.



    Quote Originally Posted by markas214
    Ah but primates lack humanity which is a point you chose to ignore.
    I didn't ignore it you pin head. You really don't pay attention to what you write do you? You're the one that described humanity as the ability to "empathize and relate to one another on an emotional level." Go read your first post. That was how you described it, not I. You seem to be describing it as something different in this post, because your last description didn't work for you at all. That's fine though, so now all you have to do is define humanity for me..... Tell me what humanity is.... Tell me what its properties are, then I will tell you why animal’s posses all the same ones....



    Quote Originally Posted by markas214
    To say there is no difference between a 6 month fetus and a 1 year old child remains ludicrous and is an ignorant statement plain and simple. My basis is my personal experience with my own children and their development.
    Man, you need some serious help with your debate skills. It's not an ignorant statement! Ignorance implies a lack of justification for your beliefs, when on the contrary I clearly laid out a hypothesis that gave me justification for thinking as I do. You seem to have overlooked my example, and the fact that it was there alltogether. I'm glad that your justification for thinking the way you do comes from your own personal experience; where else would it come from! Someone else’s experience? What a redundant statement. Incidentally, the basis for my beliefs also comes my own personal experience (imagine that?).



    Quote Originally Posted by markas214
    It is not learning but developing senses to which you refer. A big difference.
    Oh contrar my good fellow! To develop senses, a fetus must receive input from the outside world. It's an inductive process, meaning that, the fetus is learning how to use its senses which are already there. You do not "develop" senses. Taste, touch, hearing etc.... They are either there or they are not (Can a deaf person develop their sense of hearing? No!.... Why? Because they are deaf!). In the sense in which you have used the word 'developing', what you are really saying is that the fetus is learning to use the senses which it already has. Again, when your argument is examined closely it falls apart.... Hence there is no difference between the phrases "developing senses" and "learning to use your senses".



    Quote Originally Posted by markas214
    No thanks I'm an atheist. I don't believe as I do because of theological dogma but as a member of the human race that recognizes the uniqueness of our species. As I said before those who kill other humans are psycho/sociopathic. Talk about anthrapology, they haven't quite eveolved to the level of having humanity.
    Well that's fine, good for you.... I'm really charmed that you're an atheist. If you’re an atheist, where do your morals come from? Why is murder wrong? Did you learn murder was wrong when you were growing up? Or, do you feel in your heart/conscience that there is something drastically wrong with it? My guess is probably the latter of the two scenarios which I just laid out. That being said, where do you think those feelings came from? Do you think you evolved into an emotional remorseful being? Or did humans always have these emotional traits? Maybe they were there from the beginning? Maybe they were built into us? As for sociopaths and psychos, their mental condition has nothing to do with evolution (duh....); it's a genetic defect they suffer from. But I believe you already stated that in your first post, so why contradict yourself again by saying their condition is a state of their botched evolutionary process? Well, that's all I have, hope you enjoyed it....

    Peace

    -Taejoon
    Last edited by Taejoon; 03-09-2004 at 12:30 AM.

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