Holy Cycle!

[monkeyjuice]

week 1-4 Dbol 30mg ED <---- which one is better? Dbol kickstart or winny at the end?
week 1-12 Test Enantate 300 mg E3D
week 1-12 Equipose (Boldenon) 250 mg E3D
week 1-10 Tren Enantate 250 mg E3D
week 9-14 Winny 50 mg ED (Oral) <--- which one is better? Dbol kickstart or winny at the end?

PCT
week 14-17 Clomid 300/100/50 ED
week 14-17 Novladex 20 mg ED
(with Clen during entire PCT @ 100-200 mcg ED)


Do i really need the winny since I have Tren in there?

What kind of results would this cycle yeild? Strengh Gain/Weight Gain?

Should i use HCG midway thru? if so how many iu.'s? and when?

[JohnnyB]

What's your cycle history? It looks like your depending on gear rather then calorie intake to gain mass. You need food to make big gains. I posted an article a while back called "extreme eating for mass" you should read it.

JohnnyB

[Consistency]

you need to stop the EQ 1 week before the test or run the test one week longer.. that way pct times match up.

[JohnnyB]

I couldn't find it here so here's a link

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/sh...extreme+eating

JohnnyB

[monkeyjuice]

This is my third cycle.

First Cycle:
Weeks 1-10 Sustanon 500mg/wk
PCT

Second Cycle:
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 30mg ED
Weeks 1-11 Deca 400mg/wk
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 500mg/wk
PCT

I track all my eating habits while on cycle, i consumed at least 5000 calories per day and 300g+ protien 600g+ carbs 100g+ fat

STATS:
Age: 22
Weight: 185
BF: 9% +/-
Height: 6'1"

[palequail]

If I were you I'd run the Dbol and drop the winny at the end. I'm doing winny at the tail end of my Enan and EQ cycle and I'm doing it cause I didn't have tren. The results are nothing to rave about. I'd just use the dbol....you got the tren...no need winny.

[einstein1905]

JB makes a good point....those are bigger than avg mg/wk #s plus 3-4 compounds. Assuming the experience warrants it, a prop kick start is good...leave out both orals. test/EQ/Tren is great, but unnecessary if this is early in your AAS life....the gains will hardly be better, if they are at all, than a solid 2 compound cycle.
The test E is off by one week

[monkeyjuice]

week 1-12 Test Enantate 250 mg E3D
week 1-10 Tren Enantate 250 mg E3D

PCT
week 14-17 Clomid 300/100/50 ED
week 14-17 Novladex 20 mg ED
(with Clen during entire PCT @ 100-200 mcg ED)


Hows that look?

And does the Test have to be higher than the Tren, like in deca and Eq?

[50%Natural]

that is fine, but like einstein said, eq would fit nicely or a more mild oral such as anavar could find its way in there if ya wanted

[einstein1905]

that is fine, but like einstein said, eq would fit nicely or a more mild oral such as anavar could find its way in there if ya wanted

I'm all for a test/tren/EQ cycle, but what JB still applies. he simply was stating that gear alone won't do it. it sounds like you have everything in check though. I'd still leave out the orals, with the possible exception of var....maybe a prop start.

[50%Natural]

oh yeah, i totally agree with jb

[ColdSore]

I couldn't find it here so here's a link

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/sh...extreme+eating

JohnnyB

great read johnnyb...i couldnt ever eat that much...but it lays it out that you have to eat big to grow big

[powerlifter]

I couldn't find it here so here's a link

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/sh...extreme+eating

JohnnyB

Interesting Read Bro and a mantra I have lived my life by. Eat big to grow Big LOL

[50%Natural]

Interesting Read Bro and a mantra I have lived my life by. Eat big to grow Big LOL

guess that is what the girl in your avatar thought too, only worked for her boobs though

[powerlifter]

guess that is what the girl in your avatar thought too, only worked for her boobs though

That was some special receptor site specific spooge " It's Boobtacular "

[JohnnyB]

week 1-12 Test Enantate 250 mg E3D
week 1-10 Tren Enantate 250 mg E3D

PCT
week 14-17 Clomid 300/100/50 ED
week 14-17 Novladex 20 mg ED
(with Clen during entire PCT @ 100-200 mcg ED)


Hows that look?

And does the Test have to be higher than the Tren, like in deca and Eq?

That's a good cycle, you could go 12 with the tren enan, you could even bring down the tren enan to 200mg e3d. I have a question, why clen when you weigh 185?

If you're eating 5000 calories and are still 185 you have a wickid metabilizim, you're pretty thin for your size. I'd up the fat intake to slow that metabilizim down. But to be honest I find it hard to believe you eat that much, with that many calories you should be 300+. Try writting down what you eat, you'll probibly be suprised at what you really eat and you'll know how far or how close you are to 5000 calories. Food is the key to gains, gear is an aid to food, without the food the gains will be minimal.

JohnnyB

[powerlifter]

That's a good cycle, you could go 12 with the tren enan, you could even bring down the tren enan to 200mg e3d. I have a question, why clen when you weigh 185?

If you're eating 5000 calories and are still 185 you have a wickid metabilizim, you're pretty thin for your size. I'd up the fat intake to slow that metabilizim down. But to be honest I find it hard to believe you eat that much, with that many calories you should be 300+. Try writting down what you eat, you'll probibly be suprised at what you really eat and you'll know how far or how close you are to 5000 calories. Food is the key to gains, gear is an aid to food, without the food the gains will be minimal.

JohnnyB

Good advice Bro - people never eat as much as they think - unless they are obese then it is usually more than they think - just my .02

[JohnnyB]

Good advice Bro - people never eat as much as they think - unless they are obese then it is usually more than they think - just my .02

Amen

JohnnyB

[SportsMedVIP]

Good advice Bro - people never eat as much as they think - unless they are obese then it is usually more than they think - just my .02

That's so so so true. And the obese usually fall short too, they just eat too much of the wrong junk to make up for it in the fat storing department. I love those huge people that tell you they eat "just one meal a day and I don't get it, why am I so fat!" . Always good for a laugh. That is if you're heartless like myself.

[powerlifter]

That's so so so true. And the obese usually fall short too, they just eat too much of the wrong junk to make up for it in the fat storing department. I love those huge people that tell you they eat "just one meal a day and I don't get it, why am I so fat!" . Always good for a laugh. That is if you're heartless like myself.

Is one meal a day bad ?

[powerlifter]

bumping to the top for the tiny Bros

[JohnnyB]

That's so so so true. And the obese usually fall short too, they just eat too much of the wrong junk to make up for it in the fat storing department. I love those huge people that tell you they eat "just one meal a day and I don't get it, why am I so fat!" . Always good for a laugh. That is if you're heartless like myself.

I hear ya the body stores that meal as fat for survival

JohnnyB