Chinese HGH concerns

[Hazard]

Is there a price change?

Idunno..... I can't get a quote until I give them my personal information.

~Haz~

[Xtralarg]

Idunno..... I can't get a quote until I give them my personal information.

~Haz~

Didn't they say it would be $500?

[Hazard]

Didn't they say it would be $500?

thats what they said initially..... yes

~Haz~

[Xtralarg]

thats what they said initially..... yes

~Haz~

Strange why they have changed things all of a sudden?

[Spartans09]

Haz- I would be a little cautious with this U.S. Companies licenscing with the FDA and the DEA. Both would really not be happy if they new it was a controlled substance comming in from china. I'm not sure what ethical reporting responsibilities this company may have at risk of losing licensing. Tread lightly here IMHO.

[Hazard]

Haz- I would be a little cautious with this U.S. Companies licenscing with the FDA and the DEA. Both would really not be happy if they new it was a controlled substance comming in from china. I'm not sure what ethical reporting responsibilities this company may have at risk of losing licensing. Tread lightly here IMHO.

Exactly..... Idunno what to do. I'm sure they're going to want to mail the results also instead of emailing them. If thats the case - they will need my real address.

~Haz~

[BG]

I can get some sero to get tested if need be.......

[JuliusPleaser]

here a post someone responded to me about my hgh protocal from another forum...got me thinking and it makes total sense...

--- rips in 6 months should yield some noticeable improvements but for everyone it's different. There is one problem in your protocol I will address later in this post.

5/2 protocol doesn't make any sense to me at all. If you are trying to save money, it makes less sense because you are leaving out 28% of the days you should be taking it to get results. Why not just go 4/3?

Personally I would go 7 days a week and I wouldn't start hgh 1 day before I was ready to run it 7 days a week for a year+.

What results were you expecting from hgh in 3.5 months? If you use the 5/2 protocol you can deduct around 50+ days right?

6mo. - 2.5mo. = 3.5 months of hgh use.

minimum of 4iu's a day of quality hgh is as low as I would go. ----

basically ive technically been on rips for only 3.5 months, no wonder im not impressed, tho i have seen some changes... i might just stick this out after all and do 5iu ED

[BJJ]

here a post someone responded to me about my hgh protocal from another forum...got me thinking and it makes total sense...

--- rips in 6 months should yield some noticeable improvements but for everyone it's different. There is one problem in your protocol I will address later in this post.

5/2 protocol doesn't make any sense to me at all. If you are trying to save money, it makes less sense because you are leaving out 28% of the days you should be taking it to get results. Why not just go 4/3? agreed

Personally I would go 7 days a week and I wouldn't start hgh 1 day before I was ready to run it 7 days a week for a year+. 6 months are fine too, imho

What results were you expecting from hgh in 3.5 months? If you use the 5/2 protocol you can deduct around 50+ days right?

6mo. - 2.5mo. = 3.5 months of hgh use.

minimum of 4iu's a day of quality hgh is as low as I would go. ---- agreed, but problem is quality

basically ive technically been on rips for only 3.5 months, no wonder im not impressed, tho i have seen some changes... i might just stick this out after all and do 5iu ED i would bump more, much more

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[JuliusPleaser]

wtf is 4/3 ?

[Xtralarg]

wtf is 4/3 ?

I guess it's 4 days on 3 days off.

The 5/2 protocol is tried and tested, I understand the theory behind it being 28% less than the ultimate 7/7 none stop cycle and therefore not as productive and this may be correct but nevertheless after 6 months you should see dramatic changes...in fact I have so I can vouch for the effectiveness of the 5/2 protocol because it has worked for me any others who I know personally.

[BJJ]

wtf is 4/3 ?

4 days on, 3 days off.

[Matt]

Had my blood pressure taken today, 180/100. Im sure this is down to the gh...

[Xtralarg]

Had my blood pressure taken today, 180/100. Im sure this is down to the gh...

Fvck! That is very serious and not something that HGH would do to you no matter how much you take or who you are. WTF have you been injecting cos it is'nt HGH thats 100% guranteed.

[Matt]

Fvck! That is very serious and not something that HGH would do to you no matter how much you take or who you are. WTF have you been injecting cos it is'nt HGH thats 100% guranteed.

Yep, i dont know wtf this shit is but ive just thrown 600ius of the crap in the bin..

This stuff is going to kill some one...

[Xtralarg]

Yep, i dont know wtf this shit is but ive just thrown 600ius of the crap in the bin..

This stuff is going to kill some one...

Dont bin it demand your money back.

[marcus300]

Had my blood pressure taken today, 180/100. Im sure this is down to the gh...

Yep, i dont know wtf this shit is but ive just thrown 600ius of the crap in the bin..

This stuff is going to kill some one...

Ive seen the exact same sides on one of my friends, blow up like a water ballon and his BP was at a dangerous level, now do you believe me the guy you got this crap of is a scammer? ive given you loads of proof mate and if I was you stop using and injecting that crap its going to kill you.

[Matt]

Ive seen the exact same sides on one of my friends, blow up like a water ballon and his BP was at a dangerous level, now do you believe me the guy you got this crap of is a scammer? ive given you loads of proof mate and if I was you stop using and injecting that crap its going to kill you.

Your absolutely right mate, trust me, i will never inject this shit again....

[Hazard]

Had my blood pressure taken today, 180/100. Im sure this is down to the gh...

jesus man! What else are you running?

I can't confirm whether my HGH is real or not but my BP never went that high..... not even on 8iu's, 750 test, and 2mg's methyl tren......

~Haz~

[Matt]

jesus man! What else are you running?

I can't confirm whether my HGH is real or not but my BP never went that high..... not even on 8iu's, 750 test, and 2mg's methyl tren......

~Haz~

500mgs of test and 600mgs of tren. Ive run much higher doses and never had my BP come back that high..

Infact half way through my last cycle my BP was normal and i was on 750mgs of test and 1000mgs of tren...

[matt77]

Has anyone contacted this lab? http://www.intertek-cb.com/analytica...troscopy.shtml


If you look at there locations page they have labs in almost every country. So some of you guys that live in a country where HGH is legal to have may have no issue getting them to test a batch.

[FCVtec]

**UPDATE.
So, I have received my kefei's this morning. Like I previously said I am going to get another IGF 1 blood test soon to see if this time I have real HGH, Unlike the Kefei's I got previously these DONT say Kefei biotech on the tops, just "FLIP OFF" is written...... And the powder actually looked a bit different from the kefei's from last year.

I am starting today and will be at 5iu until the test unless I feel some serious sides like last time I had the real thing. If I don't feel much I ll probably up the dose to 8iu before the test. How long should I wait until I get my blood test??

-THanks

[BJJ]

^^^
I wait 7 days and the go.

[JuliusPleaser]

no one has any comment on what i wrote a few posts above?

[Vitruvian-Man]

4 on 3 off...

-VM

[Jags77]

What up bros, my apologies if this isn't the right place to post this but I've been reading up on hgh a lot lately and just received my generic blue tops from china, so the recent threads about the potential dangers have definitely caught my eye.

I plan to post my experiences with what I have for others. I bought what I believe to be 600IUs (~6 months worth at the doses I believe should be 'safe' to go with).

I've never tried hgh before, just 2 AAS cycles years ago which gave great results (deca, primo, winny).

Very curious to try hgh and looking to help lean me out and put on a little muscle.

Here are pictures of what I have and seems similar to what others have posted for generic blue tops from china. Please let me know your thoughts.

I'm awaiting my bw results and will get retested a few months in as well. Definitely will check bp regularly too.

A few questions for you all (yes, I'm a newbie):

Aside from the threads going on about bad hgh from china, anything concerning based on the pictures?

How much bac water should i get for this amount of hgh?

If I am planning on running just hgh, should I run PCT and what? I know most run hgh with AAS, so just wondering if I'd need anything during or after if only using hgh.

Thanks all. I'll start new thread if that's better, but thought others could benefit from this and a great informative thread already about chinese hgh.

[JuliusPleaser]

What up bros, my apologies if this isn't the right place to post this but I've been reading up on hgh a lot lately and just received my generic blue tops from china, so the recent threads about the potential dangers have definitely caught my eye.

I plan to post my experiences with what I have for others. I bought what I believe to be 600IUs (~6 months worth at the doses I believe should be 'safe' to go with).

I've never tried hgh before, just 2 AAS cycles years ago which gave great results (deca, primo, winny).

Very curious to try hgh and looking to help lean me out and put on a little muscle.

Here are pictures of what I have and seems similar to what others have posted for generic blue tops from china. Please let me know your thoughts.

I'm awaiting my bw results and will get retested a few months in as well. Definitely will check bp regularly too.

A few questions for you all (yes, I'm a newbie):

Aside from the threads going on about bad hgh from china, anything concerning based on the pictures?

How much bac water should i get for this amount of hgh?

If I am planning on running just hgh, should I run PCT and what? I know most run hgh with AAS, so just wondering if I'd need anything during or after if only using hgh.

Thanks all. I'll start new thread if that's better, but thought others could benefit from this and a great informative thread already about chinese hgh.

u need 1cc of bac water for each vial...each bottle of 30ml bacteriostactic water will last for three 100iu kits...so in ur case, if u have 4 kits, u need about two bottles of bac water

kits look like normal blue tops...first sign of fake GH would be loose powder..ur looks nicely compacted...which is great, but this entire thread is about how no matter what it looks like, how u feel on it, etc..it can be anything coming from china...

but dont get ur hopes down, there is legit gh coming from china, justmost of it however it either underdosed or totally fake...

as i wrote above, my friend and his friends in another forum got elitropins tested...these are generic yellow tops relabled and from china and they came back 97% purity...so not all hope is lost...

there is no need to run PCT with Hgh...so dont worry about that...

[foxycce]

What up bros, my apologies if this isn't the right place to post this but I've been reading up on hgh a lot lately and just received my generic blue tops from china, so the recent threads about the potential dangers have definitely caught my eye.

I plan to post my experiences with what I have for others. I bought what I believe to be 600IUs (~6 months worth at the doses I believe should be 'safe' to go with).

I've never tried hgh before, just 2 AAS cycles years ago which gave great results (deca, primo, winny).

Very curious to try hgh and looking to help lean me out and put on a little muscle.

Here are pictures of what I have and seems similar to what others have posted for generic blue tops from china. Please let me know your thoughts.

I'm awaiting my bw results and will get retested a few months in as well. Definitely will check bp regularly too.

A few questions for you all (yes, I'm a newbie):

Aside from the threads going on about bad hgh from china, anything concerning based on the pictures?

How much bac water should i get for this amount of hgh?

If I am planning on running just hgh, should I run PCT and what? I know most run hgh with AAS, so just wondering if I'd need anything during or after if only using hgh.

Thanks all. I'll start new thread if that's better, but thought others could benefit from this and a great informative thread already about chinese hgh.

mine arrived this morning exactly the same!

[JuliusPleaser]

my friend who takes nutropin does 5/2 with only 3ius a day and is 5% bf, saw results in two weeks and also has only been on for 3 months...

so once i get my norditropin, ill put an end to all the doubts

[Xtralarg]

my friend who takes nutropin does 5/2 with only 3ius a day and is 5% bf, saw results in two weeks and also has only been on for 3 months...

so once i get my norditropin, ill put an end to all the doubts

I have no doubts that once you start the norditropin you will see dramatic results if you run it at the right dose for the right amount of time, pharm grade gh is not in question here.

[JuliusPleaser]

well its pretty expensive stuff, im thinking of running 3iu 5/2...ill have 150ius total

[Xtralarg]

well its pretty expensive stuff, im thinking of running 3iu 5/2...ill have 150ius total

That's only 10 weeks though, you really need to be looking at a higher dose for a longer period of time to see significant results. I know it's expensive but like most things in life, you get what you pay for.

If your friend saw results in 2 weeks then it certainly down to gh alone.

[JuliusPleaser]

150 ius total, 3ius a day 5/2 is 58 days...thats two months...then of course im gonna get another two months ill be on all year and probably forever

when i told him i took 5ius of rips, he started laughing...he goes ur "taking alot of gh which means urs must be garbage..."...if u read anabolics 2009, the gh protocols in there are no more than 2-3ius... im assuming this book is talking about using pharm grade hgh...and as my friend stated, im taking way too much and seeing nothing for it...imagine i was taking 5ius of norditropin for 6 months....exactly!

i think 3iu is perfect, its right between the 2iu -4iu min, and its pharm grade, so lets see if this potency hear say is any truth... maybe 3iu is equal to 6ius of chinese stuff..or more?..who knows...

hell if i melt away fat in 2 months on 3ius, get sides like CTS and sick vivid dreams, then im gonna be a happy camper..

also, lets not forget ive been on gh for 6 months already...im simply switching brands to a more potent/quality brand...so if rips have ANY gh in them, which i think they do just underdosed, im not really starting from scratch, im just continuing on better stuff...

also, this is the only board that says rips are no good...in fact when i go to other boards explaining what going on, they simply say im not on long enough and that its too early to tell...well most of the people on all these boards including this one are on chinese stuff...so if we are all taking garbage, then of course we have to wait 6 months to see anything, or "get sides", or whatever...another thing is, thos boards also sponsor the main dude who sells rips...but why would so many people be involved in a consipiracy to make rips better than what they are...most people that ive read on the boards are happy with hyges and rips, but in real life, none of my friends except 1-2 were happy with them...

when my Norditropin comes in, im gonna start a weekly long..every week im gonna post what i feel, how i slept, any sides..and of course, what i see in the mirror interms of fat losss etc

[JuliusPleaser]

why would i take 4 on and 3 off...that makes less sense than 5/2...whats the logic behind that..wouldnt thatbe LESS time on gh that the latter?

[JYZZA]

Not sure where to start in this section. I have been on GH on and off for years. 85% of the GH used has been from China and guess what, I had good results. Couple of Pros whom I know personally had used same source. Please do not email me. I believe its all about your source. How he handles the GH. if its stored correctly, how many hands are in the cookie jar and so forth. I have used American GH, Rips, Hyges, Blue tops, brow tops, Thanks, Jins and some other ones. Always had good results. I only dealt with few who carried them. But they took care of the GH like it was for them. Well stored. Others were on same GH as I with good results. GH is not something that with out a diet you will see crazy results.. If your diet is not on track it will not work as good. Common sense. Also, these days there are many new studies regarding how to take GH. before food, after food, how long after to have the best effect on your body and what works well for you. I got better results on GH going 2 on 1 off and 3 on 1 off. Mixing it up. My body reacted better then doing it everyday at the same dosage. I switch it up. When kids grow and release GH they don;t release same amount each time. Think about it. America GH is more pure, everyone knows this but if you know good spot in China then your good to go.

[marcus300]

Not sure where to start in this section. I have been on GH on and off for years. 85% of the GH used has been from China and guess what, I had good results. Couple of Pros whom I know personally had used same source. Please do not email me. I believe its all about your source. How he handles the GH. if its stored correctly, how many hands are in the cookie jar and so forth. I have used American GH, Rips, Hyges, Blue tops, brow tops, Thanks, Jins and some other ones. Always had good results. I only dealt with few who carried them. But they took care of the GH like it was for them. Well stored. Others were on same GH as I with good results. GH is not something that with out a diet you will see crazy results.. If your diet is not on track it will not work as good. Common sense. Also, these days there are many new studies regarding how to take GH. before food, after food, how long after to have the best effect on your body and what works well for you. I got better results on GH going 2 on 1 off and 3 on 1 off. Mixing it up. My body reacted better then doing it everyday at the same dosage. I switch it up. When kids grow and release GH they don;t release same amount each time. Think about it. America GH is more pure, everyone knows this but if you know good spot in China then your good to go.

All HGH should be 100% pure not just pharm grade, if you are knowing taking something what isnt 100% gh why on earth would you take second rate! doesnt make sense. 4 ius should mean 4 ius not 1iu or fake

Fact is it cost alot of money to produce gh in the right environment and do you think these second rate labs are going to sell you stuff what cost's millions of pounds to produce...nope

Alot of the china gh mimic the exact sides and much of the latest stuff is just water retaining chemicals, I listen to a guy the other day in Manchester he told me he as put on 2 stone since taking gh he's been on it for 2 months lol, he looked that unhealthy it was untrue, gh doesn't do that but if the scales move upward he was happy, thats what most people think who haven't used pharm grade gh........all i say is get pharm grade and swallow the £££'s and see how you react and how your suppose to look, its completely different than that china crap.............its either fake,unhealthy chemicals,under-dosed (if your lucky) or something else what they are using but I can assure you its crap but I have no chance in convincing everyone because no one wants to know or believe they have wasted all this money.

Ive spent thousands on pharm grade gh in my early day and nothing out of china comes close or can even stand next to it and ive used every solid source going, you happy using second rate labs to produce some water retaining crap thats your choice but for me nothing less than 100% pure gh is the only way to go.

[Sheven]

All HGH should be 100% pure not just pharm grade, if you are knowing taking something what isnt 100% gh why on earth would you take second rate! doesnt make sense. 4 ius should mean 4 ius not 1iu or fake

Fact is it cost alot of money to produce gh in the right environment and do you think these second rate labs are going to sell you stuff what cost's millions of pounds to produce...nope

Alot of the china gh mimic the exact sides and much of the latest stuff is just water retaining chemicals, I listen to a guy the other day in Manchester he told me he as put on 2 stone since taking gh he's been on it for 2 months lol, he looked that unhealthy it was untrue, gh doesn't do that but if the scales move upward he was happy, thats what most people think who haven't used pharm grade gh........all i say is get pharm grade and swallow the £££'s and see how you react and how your suppose to look, its completely different than that china crap.............its either fake,unhealthy chemicals,under-dosed (if your lucky) or something else what they are using but I can assure you its crap but I have no chance in convincing everyone because no one wants to know or believe they have wasted all this money.

Ive spent thousands on pharm grade gh in my early day and nothing out of china comes close or can even stand next to it and ive used every solid source going, you happy using second rate labs to produce some water retaining crap thats your choice but for me nothing less than 100% pure gh is the only way to go.

bro you are on the spot when saying about "water retention chemicals"

but you are wrong when you generalize saying all HGH from china has this effect. most guys consider good HGH the one that causes big water retention and hurt in the hands and ligaments. for this purpose the Chinese have put cortisone in the vials to cause this effects and to be able to sell the GH cheaper and cheaper. the real HGH from china, which is much more expensive than the one sold at very discounted prices, is good and works great and has a purity of about 96% which is a pharma grade standard but more and more producers prefer dosing with cortisone. sad but true.

it all starts from the fact that people buy HGH and expect to grow huge and increase their body mass by much. real HGH does nothing like that is a drug with completely different effects (great effects if you ask me) but some people understand from this sport by just growing no matter what. i know in few countries people prefer buying unlabeled generic yellow tops at incredible low prices and have huge water retention than buying real HGH that is not causing so visible and dramatic effects in the first days of use. so if people ask for water retention and very low prices this is what they get.

[marcus300]

bro you are on the spot when saying about "water retention chemicals"

but you are wrong when you generalize saying all HGH from china has this effect. most guys consider good HGH the one that causes big water retention and hurt in the hands and ligaments. for this purpose the Chinese have put cortisone in the vials to cause this effects and to be able to sell the GH cheaper and cheaper. the real HGH from china, which is much more expensive than the one sold at very discounted prices, is good and works great and has a purity of about 96% which is a pharma grade standard but more and more producers prefer dosing with cortisone. sad but true.

it all starts from the fact that people buy HGH and expect to grow huge and increase their body mass by much. real HGH does nothing like that is a drug with completely different effects (great effects if you ask me) but some people understand from this sport by just growing no matter what. i know in few countries people prefer buying unlabeled generic yellow tops at incredible low prices and have huge water retention than buying real HGH that is not causing so visible and dramatic effects in the first days of use. so if people ask for water retention and very low prices this is what they get.

I said much of the latest stuff is just water retaining chemicals like anti diuretic hormone, i didnt say all. The rest is either underdosed,fake or complete crap IMHO anyway. If you think there is 100% pure gh coming out of unlicensed second rate labs from the biggest counterfeit country in the world then that's your opinion, its not mine. All I can say to people who think they are getting quality gh from china is try Pharm grade for 12 months at 6-8ius and you will see what 100% pure gh is suppose to do.

[JYZZA]

marcus, sorry that you have had bad experience with GH coming out of China. There are hundreds of people whom use it with good results. Many things are faked these days. But when you get your blood levels tests and your levels are double then I would think its real. Its all about your source. I had a good friend years ago who lived in China and visited Gensci (Jintropin) company. They use Jintropin in local hospitals there. I guess since you say all GH from China is fake then I feel bad for all those people using it for medical reason. Truth is just like with any other compound you will have real and faked or under dosed. So your source comes into play again. Its interesting how my diet will stay the same with no cardio in winter time and my bf% keeps dropping when I add GH. My skin starts looking little different, I remember most of my dreams which are intense, my hair grows faster along with my nails and I just feel all around better.

Why rain on everyones parade. GH has been coming from China for many many years. Many people had their blood work done pointing that China has real GH.

Everyone has their own opinion. I have been around for a very long time and if I felt that all GH is fake the trust me I would post up my opinion. My true opinion is that it depends on your source where he gets it from. American GH is faked too. So again depends where you get your shit from.

Ive spent thousands on pharm grade gh in my early day and nothing out of china comes close or can even stand next to it and ive used every solid source going, you happy using second rate labs to produce some water retaining crap thats your choice but for me nothing less than 100% pure gh is the only way to go.

[JimInAK]

marcus, sorry that you have had bad experience with GH coming out of China. There are hundreds of people whom use it with good results. Many things are faked these days. But when you get your blood levels tests and your levels are double then I would think its real. Its all about your source. I had a good friend years ago who lived in China and visited Gensci (Jintropin) company. They use Jintropin in local hospitals there. I guess since you say all GH from China is fake then I feel bad for all those people using it for medical reason. Truth is just like with any other compound you will have real and faked or under dosed. So your source comes into play again. Its interesting how my diet will stay the same with no cardio in winter time and my bf% keeps dropping when I add GH. My skin starts looking little different, I remember most of my dreams which are intense, my hair grows faster along with my nails and I just feel all around better.

Why rain on everyones parade. GH has been coming from China for many many years. Many people had their blood work done pointing that China has real GH.

Everyone has their own opinion. I have been around for a very long time and if I felt that all GH is fake the trust me I would post up my opinion. My true opinion is that it depends on your source where he gets it from. American GH is faked too. So again depends where you get your shit from.

I have been taking Chinese HGH for 2+ years. My blood tests come back with an IGF-1 level that is more than double my baseline amount with a relatively small dose... much less than the 6 - 8iu recommendation. Generally, my IGF-1 reading is almost 100ng/ml higher per each 1iu daily dose taken.

I don't think it's realistic or accurate to claim that the only good HGH is American pharm grade. I'm not willing to give up 50% of my annual income on American pharm grade to test others opinions, when my blood tests confirm that my IGF-1 is elevated and the effects I've experienced are positive.

I'll stick with my relatively cheap and proven good Chinese HGH. I've been all but called a liar on this forum, which I find amusing... However, blood tests don't lie.

Hell, even the DEA, whom I rarely if ever agree with has managed to bust Chinese HGH suppliers selling millions of dollars of products. Don't you think they (the defendants) would take some of those millions in profit to demonstrate that they really didn't sell HGH? That's a legal defense I have yet to hear about, and I've just about heard it all. LOL !!!

Thanks JYZZA for your experience. Mine has been quite similar.