Old guy making a comeback...

[Newyorkrockstar]

read post #328, that's still about the most accurate up-to-date info.

The mirror, the belt, the suit, feedback from my wife and from you guys, the guys at the gym, my lifts, people that I see once a week every week with my job, these are all my progress measuring devices.

very impressive progress i skimmed thru thread and your killing it, keep it up its all about consistency ... lol btw the suit is a great way to measure progress, literary... my tailer loves me latley lol

[tbody66]

I know that's right!

Every week someone says I need to tell my wife to stop washing my shirts in hot water!

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four more weeks of the current cycle. I will run clomid and nolvadex after.

[Twist]

Yeah four more weeks I would start to try to drop bf so you can afford to overeat on your pct. On cycle you will still gain muscle anyway. Just add in some more cardio but up your cals a little too.

[tbody66]

Will do, thanks Twist!

[Twist]

Will do, thanks Twist!

No problem bro. You might look leaner off cycle. Can't tell at this point but time will tell.

[gbrice75]

Bump for pics!

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10/02/10



12/11/10

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first pic in the series is from 10/2/10 the next is from today 12/11/10, should be a side by side comparison of my progress, the last pic of the five is a shot from today that I don't have a pic from before of that pose, so it's lika a bonus pic. I need bf estimates and critiques please!

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[Twist]

I would say 15lbs muscle gain and 10lbs fat loss. That's what your ratio looks like to me. Great job Tbody!

[First6]

I would say 15lbs muscle gain and 10lbs fat loss. That's what your ratio looks like to me. Great job Tbody!

Agree with this. Translates into a great job! keep that going and you will be setting new goals as you surpass your current ones in no time.

[bigcwithane]

Tbody great job brotha ill have the pics posted up later for you I'm trying to get someone to take mine so i dobt use my phone

[tbody66]

I would say 15lbs muscle gain and 10lbs fat loss. That's what your ratio looks like to me. Great job Tbody!

Thanks

Tbody great job brotha ill have the pics posted up later for you I'm trying to get some
one to take mine so i dobt use my phone

Can't wait!

[UberSteroids]

Damn, quads and delts are blowing up. Nice going brother.

[tbody66]

Damn, quads and delts are blowing up. Nice going brother.

Thanks brother, gonna get the rest growing too, I hope!

[gbrice75]

Very very evident LBM gains with fat loss. Just look at the love handles in any of your back poses... night and day. Delts are your best feature IMO - if you can get my delts popping like yours (or at least help me confirm I was born with the fvcking muscle in my body), I'll be forever in your debt.

Wheels are good and thick, just gotta continue cutting bodyfat to get some def. on them. Biggest group needing to be brought up IMO is lats. Welcome to my nightmare.

Overall, great job again, great overall progress TB!

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Very very evident LBM gains with fat loss. Just look at the love handles in any of your back poses... night and day. Delts are your best feature IMO - if you can get my delts popping like yours (or at least help me confirm I was born with the fvcking muscle in my body), I'll be forever in your debt.

Wheels are good and thick, just gotta continue cutting bodyfat to get some def. on them. Biggest group needing to be brought up IMO is lats. Welcome to my nightmare.

Overall, great job again, great overall progress TB!

Thanks, GB, I'm doing 5x5's with back on mondays, so I do deadlifts as my first lift fresh off a rested weekend. I already went from 225lbs for my sets week one to 275lbs week two. I'm hoping this makes my back grow. I still don't like the arms either and have to agree with the shoulders being the dominant bodypart.

No vote on which one to make the new avy? Maybe I'll just do most muscular like you, but I'm too fat to pull that one off.

[Damienm05]

Delts have really come up big time. Everything looks good. The only lacking area I see (lacking only compared to the rest, not in general) is lat width but from the sound of that deadlift increase, you should be on your way up. Not sure if you're already doing it but a tip I got on here a while back, I wanna say from Twist but I can't recall, is to squeeze your back/traps together at the top of the lift and hold it before going back down. I definitely noticed some mirror changes after a couple weeks. Anyway, I'd still go with double bi/back pose for avi.

[gbrice75]

No vote on which one to make the new avy? Maybe I'll just do most muscular like you, but I'm too fat to pull that one off.

I'll have to give it some thought - but i'd say go with most muscular for now. I'm too fat for it too bro... the way my meaty stomach and loose 'fat boy's skin hangs over. Cropping is your best friend. =)

squeeze your back/traps together at the top of the lift and hold it before going back down.

I've been doing this for a little while now... it thought I 'invented' it but then realized i'm not that brilliant. Anyway, I look at it as sort of a hybrid deadlift/shrug. Not a complete shrug, just a little squeeze.

[Damienm05]

I'm about to go do it now. Just started my new routine where I do back/tris together and I've been ending the workout with super-det dips/deads. Possibly the greatest thing ever.

[Damienm05]

Not to mention, you're like me and store that last bit in the form of love-handles and not in the front. You'll look a lot wider when those dissipate soon.

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All good stuff, boys, thanks as always, for everything!

[Twist]

Deadlifts - Overhand grip (use grips for hold if your hands can't hang; if your hands can hang, then you aren't lifting enough), wide grip, on the way up pull hard with your upper back and lats, at the top squeeze lats and back as if you are trying to pinch a pencil between your middle traps.
I started posting this after Milos Sarcev pointed it out.

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Deadlifts - Overhand grip (use grips for hold if your hands can't hang; if your hands can hang, then you aren't lifting enough), wide grip, on the way up pull hard with your upper back and lats, at the top squeeze lats and back as if you are trying to pinch a pencil between your middle traps.
I started posting this after Milos Sarcev pointed it out.

I'll start this tomorrow, thanks, Twist!

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Thank's, first, glad to have you back!

[First6]

Thanks T. Glad to be back. buuuuuutttt unfortionatly I am gone again. Won't be back until Thurs night. (def falls into the category of "things that suck")

[gbrice75]

Talk to u soon First, stay strong brotha!

[tbody66]

Haven't worked out this week and doesn't look like I'll get to either. Oh well, life, gotta love it, use it to rest up and grow hard on next week.

[gbrice75]

Haven't worked out this week and doesn't look like I'll get to either. Oh well, life, gotta love it, use it to rest up and grow hard on next week.

THIS! Sometimes a week off can be the best thing for you, and growth explodes again when you get back on. I'm due one shortly myself.

[Damienm05]

I've always wondered if it would be a good plateau buster to structure your split in a way where you do every major group oncer per week in a 5-day series, while leaving out a single upper-body group each week (arms, chest, back, delts, never legs). Maybe it's hairbrained but I've always made gains coming off a week off.

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I know after a week off I cone back stronger than ever. I'm do pretty soon from lifting but I still need the cardio. I'm going on vacation to Arizona then up to Colorado so ill be drinking only protein shakes and whatever healthy good bbing food I can find.

Hey t are you gonna make me a new workout until we start the comp. Or should I throw one I have up my sleeve together until then

I think you could come up with something fun for the next two or three weeks.

There might be something to it. I don't see how an extra week's rest can hurt anything. That muscle group would be primed, 100% recovered and thensome, and ready to kill.

I've always wondered if it would be a good plateau buster to structure your split in a way where you do every major group oncer per week in a 5-day series, while leaving out a single upper-body group each week (arms, chest, back, delts, never legs). Maybe it's hairbrained but I've always made gains coming off a week off.

Okay, how insane does this sound???

I've been thinking about doing this over the course of an entire year:

8 wks 5x5's (example - 315lb squats, 275lb bench presses, 315 deadlifts - this is about where I am right now) followed by
8 wks 6x6's (my theory is you should be able to handle the same weights you did for the 5x5's) take one week off from the gym followed by
8 wks 7x7's (same weight) take one week off from the gym followed by
8 wks 8x8's take one week off from the gym followed by
8 wks 9x9's take one week off from the gym followed by
8 wks 10x10's

If my theory of progressive strength training was correct you would be doing 10x10's with the weight you can currently only do 5x5's with, then drop back to the 5x5's for the next year and you should be 50 - 100lbs heavier on every lift? Problems with my hypothesis, yes, but doable to a degree??? Absolutely, you should also be able to constantly shock the muscles into growth, especially if you are only doing it for the core lifts and keep the supporting or secondary bodypart lifts to a mix of exercises that are changing with each eight week routine.

[gbrice75]

There might be something to it. I don't see how an extra week's rest can hurt anything. That muscle group would be primed, 100% recovered and thensome, and ready to kill.

[bigcwithane]

I know after a week off I cone back stronger than ever. I'm do pretty soon from lifting but I still need the cardio. I'm going on vacation to Arizona then up to Colorado so ill be drinking only protein shakes and whatever healthy good bbing food I can find.

Hey t are you gonna make me a new workout until we start the comp. Or should I throw one I have up my sleeve together until then

[Twist]

I don't think that will work bro. I heard some story once that went something like, "if you carry a cow up a hill everyday since it is little you will be able to carry it up the hill when it is grown." now I took that way out of context but you get the point. It doesnt work like that. It's not that you won't make gains, but I would go about it differently. You might be able to hit 10x5 though. Still highly doubt it.

How are gains and everything coming along bro?

[gbrice75]

I don't think that will work bro. I heard some story once that went something like, "if you carry a cow up a hill everyday since it is little you will be able to carry it up the hill when it is grown." now I took that way out of context but you get the point. It doesnt work like that. It's not that you won't make gains, but I would go about it differently. You might be able to hit 10x5 though. Still highly doubt it.

How are gains and everything coming along bro?

I heard this exact same story, except it was a pig. Just an analogy to explain progressive overload.

TB - not sure about that one bro, it's very ambitious! Are you willing to potentially give up nearly a year of 'normal' progress to put your theory to the test?

[First6]

I think you could come up with something fun for the next two or three weeks.





Okay, how insane does this sound???

I've been thinking about doing this over the course of an entire year:

8 wks 5x5's (example - 315lb squats, 275lb bench presses, 315 deadlifts - this is about where I am right now) followed by
8 wks 6x6's (my theory is you should be able to handle the same weights you did for the 5x5's) take one week off from the gym followed by
8 wks 7x7's (same weight) take one week off from the gym followed by
8 wks 8x8's take one week off from the gym followed by
8 wks 9x9's take one week off from the gym followed by
8 wks 10x10's

If my theory of progressive strength training was correct you would be doing 10x10's with the weight you can currently only do 5x5's with, then drop back to the 5x5's for the next year and you should be 50 - 100lbs heavier on every lift? Problems with my hypothesis, yes, but doable to a degree??? Absolutely, you should also be able to constantly shock the muscles into growth, especially if you are only doing it for the core lifts and keep the supporting or secondary bodypart lifts to a mix of exercises that are changing with each eight week routine.

I dont think this will work T. The problem is that there is no pregressive progress. Make sense. You are asking your body to do the same thing (and get used to it) for 8 weeks and then suddenly do more. and repeat. You need more consistant building. If your first 8 weeks are maxed out. why do you think you would magically (for lack of better term) be able to do more on the 9th week? You didn't progress up to doing any more.

I heard this exact same story, except it was a pig. Just an analogy to explain progressive overload.

TB - not sure about that one bro, it's very ambitious! Are you willing to potentially give up nearly a year of 'normal' progress to put your theory to the test?

I think he would see on the 9th week that this is going to be a problem. He might Man his way through the second 8 weeks but by then no way will the 3rd set of 8 weeks work out.

T - I like the way you think. On paper this sounds awesome. I just dont know that your body could keep up with your head on it.

Wow just realized how negative I am being. Sorry for that. Not intentional. On a positive note. In my opinion, You look like you have made some crazy progress! Looking great bro!

[gbrice75]

I dont think this will work T. The problem is that there is no pregressive progress. Make sense. You are asking your body to do the same thing (and get used to it) for 8 weeks and then suddenly do more. and repeat. You need more consistant building. If your first 8 weeks are maxed out. why do you think you would magically (for lack of better term) be able to do more on the 9th week? You didn't progress up to doing any more.

I think he would see on the 9th week that this is going to be a problem. He might Man his way through the second 8 weeks but by then no way will the 3rd set of 8 weeks work out.

T - I like the way you think. On paper this sounds awesome. I just dont know that your body could keep up with your head on it.

Wow just realized how negative I am being. Sorry for that. Not intentional. On a positive note. In my opinion, You look like you have made some crazy progress! Looking great bro!

You're not being negative, you're giving your honest opinion. If it were me, i'd appreciate the honesty - nothing I hate more then people telling me 'yea, go for it' or something to that effect when they don't really believe it. I'm pretty sure TB will feel the same way.