M1t FAQ

[rocco78]

would anyone else not recommend this? taking a methyl 4AD with M1T? seems like a lot of stress on the liver.

just wondered when i read this above.

I wouldn't recommend it. No need. I think the transderm 4-AD works amazingly well, with MUCH less stress on the liver. I can't imagine taking more than one meth'd compound at a time. Your body reacts to the toxicity by the 7th day, that's why it makes you so tired and gives you back aches. Your liver is vital, be careful.

[nsa]

Whats wrong with transdermal 4-ad?

[wired-up]

Whats wrong with transdermal 4-ad?

he said methyl 4AD, not the regular 4AD. the methylated form is much more potent. just like the diff between 1-test and methyl 1-test.

edit: unless the transdermal you're refering to is also M4AD

[nsa]

he said methyl 4AD, not the regular 4AD. the methylated form is much more potent. just like the diff between 1-test and methyl 1-test.

edit: unless the transdermal you're refering to is also M4AD

I know its more potent, but the extra potency is not worth the extra stress on your liver.

[AGGRESSIVEKUBA]

think about starting a m1t cycle next month right now im 511-6ft 211lb i was thinking of 15mg of m1t every day taking 1 1/2 tablets inthe morning and the other 1 1/2 at night with all the proper stuff and pct is this a smart idea ???

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Yeah, smart to split it up, thats what youre sposta do. Follow the rest of the sample cycle and youre set.

[nsa]

Its like that to be on the safe side of things, i wrote that cycle with safety in mind, i am not going to suggest something that i don't know for sure is safe or not.

[Chad Walker]

I'm 18 and on my second cycle of M1T, 20mg a day for 3 weeks. Been lifting consistently for three years. Besides stunting my growth (I'm already 6 foot) are there any other adverse side effects that I should be worried about? I am taking milk thistle for any possible liver damage. Diet is in check. This cycle I started stacking Tribulus with the M1T, should this give good results or cause damage of some sort?

Thanks

[PunyKid]

I'm 18 and on my second cycle of M1T, 20mg a day for 3 weeks. Been lifting consistently for three years. Besides stunting my growth (I'm already 6 foot) are there any other adverse side effects that I should be worried about? I am taking milk thistle for any possible liver damage. Diet is in check. This cycle I started stacking Tribulus with the M1T, should this give good results or cause damage of some sort?

Thanks

****, that's a lot to be taking. Most people only do 10 mg a day. How did your first cyle turn out? Don't you know all the side effects steroids can cause. Hair loss, acne, growing boobies, etc. From what I know the Trib is better to run after you get off the M1T for post cylce therapy.

[Chad Walker]

First cycle I gained 12 lbs with amazing results in every lift. Size and strength gains were immense. Much better than with Boldione or 1-Test cycles that I have done in the past. I was mistaken, sorry the tribulus that I have isn't pure, it's part of the Dymatize Nutrition Z-Force anabolic complex. Anything change from that?

[nsa]

Your run the risk of jumbling up your hpta and endocrine system by using things like m1t before your natural test levels plateau. That said, you run the risk and it doesn't neccarily mean you will get messed up. My thinking is why risk it, just keep lifting progressively and eating alot of clean foods.

[Chad Walker]

I'm just going to finish out this cycle (2 weeks left) and see where I am from there. I want to continue lifting permanently... so I might be natural for a few years.

[userabuser]

On second cycle. Started passing blood in urine today. Doctor said looks like a urinary tract infection. Rather scary. I told him about the m1t, he said "what's that?"

I do not think it's related to the M1T

[WISHMASTER]

WOW! this is a great thread, just what I was looking for. I am getting ready to start my second cycle next Friday. My first cycle was S1+ and although I gained 15 pounds I was only able to keep 7 of it. I am 5'8 and 39 young years old. WHen I started the S1 I was at 155 dry in the morning and got up to 170 dry in the morning but now Im down to 162. I am finishing my PCT with just Nolvadex. So now Im going to do a cycle of M1T and am going to follow the SAMPLE cycle on the first post to a T!

I am going to do 10mgs a day out of the UL bottle so thats 2 pills a day. No where have I read when is a good time to take the pills? I do my workouts at 5pm if that helps.


thanks guys for the informative thread!

Everything is purchased just waiting till next week to start.

[userabuser]

Welcome wishmaster!

I take them 12 hours apart.

BTW, I'm 43 (as of a coupla days ago) Currently 161.5 lbs.

Also, did you take clomid during pct?

My second cycle seems to have much less affect so far than my first. (I'm a about 10 days into it)

[WISHMASTER]

I did not take anything except Nolvadex for PCT. Maybe thats why I have lost 8 pounds. Ive also been taking milk thistle during post to get my liver ready for anything during this next cycle. I have read that its not good to take a pill right before working out, true? So if I get up at 6:30am take 1 pill and take the other after my workout?

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Take the second one later in the day. Im going to take half my stuff for the day after my morning shower and the other half after my nite shower. The 4derm is absorbed better through softer skin and your pores are open.

[WISHMASTER]

I have a few questions, Im going to start my cycle on Friday.
1) does the Trib really help keep the nads thier normal size? Also, should I take it starting on day 1 and all the way thru out PCT also? Will any kind of trib work or do I need a certain brand.
2) its says to take the Hawthorn Berry Week 1-4.....do I start on the 1st day with the recommended dose?
3) If I start my cycle on Friday but dont go to the gym till Monday will that be OK? kinda like loading up on it. Reason I want to start on a weekend is to see if I start to feel funny from the M1T. I didnt when I did my S1 cycle.
4) should I start the 4-ad the same morning I start the M1T? or wait a few days or even a week?

Ive got all the stuff except for the TRIB. Im doing this cycle with 2 other guys and they dont think they need anything else other than the M1T...I tried to tell them but they dont listen. I guess we'll see.


sorry for all the questions!

[nsa]

All of those questions are covered in my initial post.

[WISHMASTER]

no they are not!.....and yes I did read the post. My questions go into a little more detail than what your first post talks about.

[wired-up]

no they are not!.....and yes I did read the post.

bro, you need to chill and show some respect on here or you're gonna get flamed to high heaven.

[WISHMASTER]

I am chillin. My reply was not to be taken the way you took it. I always show respect on any of the forums I post on. I simply meant that the answers to my question were not in the original post or aleast I didnt see them. Maybe if I read between the lines. Help me out here, is there something Im not reading? Disregard the (!) in my reply and then maybe it will be taken the way it was meant to be.

[wired-up]

I am chillin. My reply was not to be taken the way you took it.

that's cool bro, just trying to help you out. i saw the low post count and assumed that you might not know proper etiquite for board use and was just looking out for ya.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Skereously, all those questions are in the orig post. Yes, you start all things the first day of a 4 week cycle minus PCT items, which all start the same day. I dunno where you got the idea of staggering it. I forgot the other questions but theyre all in the orig or subsequent posts. Everyone has the same basic questions.

Tell your friends they will get very lethargic if they dont take 4derm, and high bp w/ no hawthorne. And no more balls if they dont take clomid and b!tch tits if they dont take nolva. That or just tell em theyre stupid.

[Joe King]

I have hawthorn berry extract in the form of liquid, so how many mililitres should i be taking a day?

[birsling]

What is the dosage per mL? It should say something on the bottle

[Joe King]

it says this " 0.5ml (or 10 drops),upto six times per day"
does that mean 10 drops of 0.5 ml six times a day or does it mean 0.5ml six times a day?

[Soldier of Misfortune]

You need to find out how many mg of powder there are in each mL of solution. It should say on the bottle. Droppers arent acurate at all, get an oral syringe or a regular injection one will work.

[birsling]

I am not asking you what the bottle says the recommended serving is, I am asking what the mg/mL concentration is. If it doesn't say that, you can always look at the amount of mg in 1 serving. If it is 100mg in a serving, and a serving is 1mL, multiply it out, and you should know how much to take. If it is that confusing, buy the pills. They are cheap, and easier to take/dose

[WISHMASTER]

guys, Im going to start my cycle tomorrow and I have everything except the TIRBULUS....Its going to be here on Monday. I do have an extra bottle of 6-OXO laying around. Can I take that till my TRIB gets here? Will that work to keep my boys around their normal size for the first few days of my cycle? if yes I can , how many pills should I take?

[nsa]

Not really, its a suicide estrogen inhibitor so all it will do is keep the estrogen from 4-ad at bay. Get clomid and nolvadex.

[WISHMASTER]

Ive already got some Clomid and Nolva but thats for PCT. Ive got everything you listed in the sample cycle.
I was wanting to take something for the first couple of days since my TRIBULUS wont be here for a few days. You think I'll be ok if I dont take anything. How long does it usually take for my nads to shut down? I know its gonna happen as it did when I did my cycle of S1+ but they didnt shrink up. Im just worried about them shrinking up while take M1T.

[nsa]

You don't need to take anything like trib or 6-oxo during the cycle, don't waste the money. It will take a while to shut you down real hard, i would say end of second week your balls will be shrinking.

[WISHMASTER]

WEll I started this morning with 1 pill and 5 sprays of the 4-ad and 1 pill of HB at 565 mgs.....I guess we'll see what happens. I'll do the 10mgs for atleast a week and see if I feel anything. I'll split up the HB so I get in atleast 1500mgs a days. I also stopped taking my creatrine and will start again during PCT.
I did my first dose at 7:00am so I'll do the other at 7:00 pm'ish
I wont be hitting the gym til Monday so I should be well loaded with this stuff.

Im going to follow your sample cycle.

Im 5'8 and weigh in at 162 in the mornings. going to try and take in about 3500 cals a day. SO hopefully I can get up to 180 mark and keep atleast 170-75lbs.


any advice? or anything I missed?

thanks!

[nsa]

Try and get around 4000 cals ED and stay at 10 mg throughout the cycle, there is no need for someone thats 160 pounds to be using more than 10, you will get good results if you eat clean, eat often and workout hard with a good split.

[nsa]

And don't forget clomid, nolvadex and milk thistle. Creatine and clenbuterol are other thing that will help you maintain your gains or maybe even gain some more weight during pct.

[WISHMASTER]

will do! Yes I do have all the stuff for PCT. I was thinking about getting some Clen and trying that out with PCT....but I can wait to buy that. 4000 cals is alot but I'll try and down that much. I do eat clean with a cheat meal once a week. I eat alot of MRP's, protien shakes, chicken, beef and get my EFA's from Flax seed oils.

[WISHMASTER]

well Ive been on my cycle since Friday so that makes 3.5 days and the mild headaches have started. I havent been to the gym yet, going today. My 2 friends are wondering if taking caffeine is ok while on the cycle? The tiredness is also starting. mild for me since Im on 4-ad as well.

[nsa]

Up the 4-ad dose and increase your carbohydrate intake to get rid of any lethargy. M1t messes up your blood-glucose levels, making you almost glycemic. Also get some hawthorne berry extract or if you are already taking it, up your dose of that to get rid of headaches.(also helps if for some reason your heart is racing alot)

[nsa]

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