Test E and Dbol first cycle

[king6]

meh im thinkin mor elike tren....

Isn't tren too much for a second cycle? I though about it for my second cycle, but most people say to save it for your fourth or fifth cycle, because it's such a strong compound.

[guest589745]

meh im thinkin mor elike tren....

never tried it so I cant recomend it to you.

[Haro3]

of all the intelligent posts u make...this confuses me....lol

[fast]

Yeah man you have definetly put up lean muscle there.

Your girlfriend looks nice

Be careful with DNP !

Take care

Cheers

[ironaddict69]

haro, great work to say the least. nice NICE progress. looking swole and solid. id definitel not run dbol next time if i were you though, go with eq or tren!

[Snrf]

I agree with you haro, but I think part of the argument is that people want to attain the max growth they can get out of say, Deca first.

I agree with you though, I've seen people run tren for a 2nd cycle and get HEEEEYUGE! good luck to you anyway, i wanna see a log for that one too!

[boxer1]

good results fella, just a couple of questions, are you glad you added the winny? did it dry your joints as bad as they say it does. I'm thinking about adding it to my cycle, toss up between winny and var.

[Haro3]

good results fella, just a couple of questions, are you glad you added the winny? did it dry your joints as bad as they say it does. I'm thinking about adding it to my cycle, toss up between winny and var.

winni was descent, arms got more vascular but i let my diet go to hell the last 3 weeks of the cycle so i didnt really have much leaning out from it. i think i could have had alot more. i did notice my shoulders KILLED me for about a week (last week of cycle) but i dunno if that was an injury from heavy presses (just over did it) or the more i thought about it possibly the joint issues with winny....all in all i liked it. but my next cycle is going to have var in it. if you can afford it i like the stuff i read on var...BUT! i highly advice blood tests with any oral i've heard var is hard on cholesterol so i will have mine done regularly. also from here on out all my cycles/supplement intake will be monitored by a doctor with strong aas knowledge.

and for the tren......i dont see how people say your body gets "use" to steroids. thats like saying u build up a resistance to it....butttttttttt ur throwing in a new compound, a compound ur body has never seen therefore ur body cant have a resistance to it or an immunity against it see what im saying?

[S431M7]

when did u started this cycle? what is your current stat?

Thanks

Cycle:
1-4 dbol 30mg/day
1-12 test e 500mg 2 shots at 250 thursday/monday
1-12 arimidex .25mg

first shot 10mins ago in left quad went great! nice and slow and no pain yet, massaged the area and hoping no pain arises, todays an off day so im going to go do some cardio and hope that helps to keep my leg from getting sore

starting stats:

weight 204lbs
height 6'
bf: (ill post later im doing bod pod next week)
arms 17"
legs 24"
chest 45"
calves 16"
forearm 14.5"

wish me luck

[Haro3]

when did u started this cycle? what is your current stat?

Thanks

those stats were at the start of cycle. current stats...

arms: 17.75"
legs: 25.5"
calves: 16" (alot leaner/more defined tho)
chest: 48"
forearms: 14.5" but significantly more vascular

at around ~214lbs

[S431M7]

Don't u think u could have made that these improvement without the roid cycle? And who is that in your avater BTW?

those stats were at the start of cycle. current stats...

arms: 17.75"
legs: 25.5"
calves: 16" (alot leaner/more defined tho)
chest: 48"
forearms: 14.5" but significantly more vascular

at around ~214lbs

[Snrf]

Don't u think u could have made that these improvement without the roid cycle? And who is that in your avater BTW?

wtf? is that any of your business?

[king6]

wtf? is that any of your business?

[Haro3]

Don't u think u could have made that these improvement without the roid cycle? And who is that in your avater BTW?

could i have made those changes naturally, sure i could have but probably about 6 months longer......i dont see your reasoning? i personally think that "genetic potential" stuff is a bunch of crap and i felt i was ready so i did it and glad i did, happy with my results..

the avatar is my GF

[S431M7]

that's good to know. BTW are u considering another cycle after this? if so how many more cycle do u plan to go thru over the next 2 to 3 years? How many weeks of breaks do u oftentime take between a cycle?
Hey your GF is hot. I'm sure u are proud of her.

could i have made those changes naturally, sure i could have but probably about 6 months longer......i dont see your reasoning? i personally think that "genetic potential" stuff is a bunch of crap and i felt i was ready so i did it and glad i did, happy with my results..

the avatar is my GF

[Hellmaskbanned]

Personally I would run Deca over Tren. I've never used tren because of what I've read on it. What it does to stamina, sides some experience etc. Hear it's one kick ass drug if it fits to your goals though! Go for it. I miss deca .

Whens your next cycle start?

[ironaddict69]

Personally I would run Deca over Tren. I've never used tren because of what I've read on it. What it does to stamina, sides some experience etc. Hear it's one kick ass drug if it fits to your goals though! Go for it. I miss deca .

Whens your next cycle start?

I thought tren improved stamina? hellmask what exactly turned you off to tren side wise? id like the agression, can deca do the same thing?

[Hellmaskbanned]

I thought tren improved stamina? hellmask what exactly turned you off to tren side wise? id like the agression, can deca do the same thing?

Tren hurts stamina greatly.
Turned me off, Tren cough, night sweats, Aggression,hard on kidneys.
If it fit my goals I would run it no prob, its not a performance drug its a great bbing drug.
Deca's great for mass/healing properties, low sides/besides Nandrolone being hard on the HPTA, but so is tren.



And haro , those gains you made , why did you cycle? 15lbs of muscle while losing bodyfat can be accomplished in 3 weeks........HA! Your build will be great, your already built well.


"Oxandrolone is the only steroid in which a carbon atom within the phenanthrene nucleus has been replaced by another element, namely oxygen. In addition, oxandrolone is cleared by the kidney and not the liver, so hepatotoxicity is rare."


You might want to try 10 weeks with var, considering your on tren aswell. Don't wanna punish the ol kidneys to much. had to...
I'm soon to start a 10 week var run myself. I'll tell you how it goes if your interested. Goal to drop BF% really low.

[Haro3]

Tren hurts stamina greatly.
Turned me off, Tren cough, night sweats, Aggression,hard on kidneys.
If it fit my goals I would run it no prob, its not a performance drug its a great bbing drug.
Deca's great for mass/healing properties, low sides/besides Nandrolone being hard on the HPTA, but so is tren.



And haro , those gains you made , why did you cycle? 15lbs of muscle while losing bodyfat can be accomplished in 3 weeks........HA! Your build will be great, your already built well.


"Oxandrolone is the only steroid in which a carbon atom within the phenanthrene nucleus has been replaced by another element, namely oxygen. In addition, oxandrolone is cleared by the kidney and not the liver, so hepatotoxicity is rare."


You might want to try 10 weeks with var, considering your on tren aswell. Don't wanna punish the ol kidneys to much. had to...
I'm soon to start a 10 week var run myself. I'll tell you how it goes if your interested. Goal to drop BF% really low.

yea be sure to keep me posted on ur cycle. what you know/think bout dnp hellmask?? thinkin bout throwing it in my pct for its anti catabolic effects and lose a lil bf then rebound back into bulking...makes sense to me but i've never ran it before

[Hellmaskbanned]

yea be sure to keep me posted on ur cycle. what you know/think bout dnp hellmask?? thinkin bout throwing it in my pct for its anti catabolic effects and lose a lil bf then rebound back into bulking...makes sense to me but i've never ran it before

Really don't know much on dnp. Don't really want to try it either. Same goes with clen, ephedra etc.

[guest589745]

**** DNP and all other stimulants.

[Haro3]

so i've been REALLY hungry lately. like an hour after a meal im hungry and i never get that...could it be anything pct related...?

[guest589745]

so i've been REALLY hungry lately. like an hour after a meal im hungry and i never get that...could it be anything pct related...?

Then eat!! EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT !!

[Haro3]

Then eat!! EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT !!

dont need to worry bout geting fat? thought cuz of high estro during pct its easier to put on fat?

hey i sent u a pm

[guest589745]

dont need to worry bout geting fat? thought cuz of high estro during pct its easier to put on fat?

hey i sent u a pm

Well your ancilleries should still combat high estrogen and you need to still have an adequate amount of calories to sustain the newly attained muscle.

Just eat clean and you dont have to worry about gettign fat IMO.

[Haro3]

Well your ancilleries should still combat high estrogen and you need to still have an adequate amount of calories to sustain the newly attained muscle.

Just eat clean and you dont have to worry about gettign fat IMO.

ight if u say so

[Haro3]

pct update:

still 0 sex drive......hey when u dont put out for a few days ur gf's start begging for it AHAHAHA the tables have turned!

butttttttttttt my balls are back to normal (if not larger) than usual size. and im 1.5 weeks into pct. thursday makes 2 weeks exactly.

[king6]

pct update:

still 0 sex drive......hey when u dont put out for a few days ur gf's start begging for it AHAHAHA the tables have turned!

butttttttttttt my balls are back to normal (if not larger) than usual size. and im 1.5 weeks into pct. thursday makes 2 weeks exactly.

You could take some tongkat for your libido. Can you get it up? Or do you just not have the desire to have sex?

[Haro3]

You could take some tongkat for your libido. Can you get it up? Or do you just not have the desire to have sex?

oh no i can get it up and i have no problem actually having sex but i jus dont have the desire. normally i'd be raping her every night before bed lol but now i jus go to sleep.

[king6]

oh no i can get it up and i have no problem actually having sex but i jus dont have the desire. normally i'd be raping her every night before bed lol but now i jus go to sleep.

You have the upper hand now.

[thetoponepercent]

pct update:

still 0 sex drive......hey when u dont put out for a few days ur gf's start begging for it AHAHAHA the tables have turned!

butttttttttttt my balls are back to normal (if not larger) than usual size. and im 1.5 weeks into pct. thursday makes 2 weeks exactly.

I love it. Sweet revenge for all the guys out there that are with women that hold back. I say keep your pimp hand strong and make her continue to beg even after you are 100% recovered!!

On a more serious note - how many days after your last injection did you loose your sex drive? It feels funny talking about this, but I want to know what to expect at the end of my cycle since my sex drive is very important to me.

[Haro3]

I love it. Sweet revenge for all the guys out there that are with women that hold back. I say keep your pimp hand strong and make her continue to beg even after you are 100% recovered!!

On a more serious note - how many days after your last injection did you loose your sex drive? It feels funny talking about this, but I want to know what to expect at the end of my cycle since my sex drive is very important to me.

honestly i didnt notice a loss in sex drive until i started clomid/nolva....

[Haro3]

today is the start of the third week of pct and im starting to break out across my chest/shoulders. nothing bad maybe 7-10 spots but i never break out so thats above normal....other than that no sides no probs yet. weight stabalized at 214 for the most part. strength is still good except for the added dnp is causing me to become weaker due to glycogen depletion but nothing major.

[ACE24]

So Haro, how would you rate your first cycle? Are you satisfied with the results, what would you do differently, what are your thoughts for your next cycle?

[Foskamink]

So Haro, how would you rate your first cycle? Are you satisfied with the results, what would you do differently, what are your thoughts for your next cycle?

yeh mate great gains looking jacked!

[Haro3]

So Haro, how would you rate your first cycle? Are you satisfied with the results, what would you do differently, what are your thoughts for your next cycle?

definately satisfied. wish i had trained with more intensity and not let my diet get off course at the end...i woulda been leaner had i done thise but all in all good cycle. next one is most likely test/tren

[thetoponepercent]

definately satisfied. wish i had trained with more intensity and not let my diet get off course at the end...i woulda been leaner had i done thise but all in all good cycle. next one is most likely test/tren

So many guys are always talking about over training. Some have said I do too much but I have seen huge results in strength gain. I am torn between sticking with what is getting me the gains and taking the advice from others. You say you wish you would have trained with more intensity, how so? I don't like to leave the gym until the muscle group I am working is destroyed. Regardless of how sets it takes? Was this how you trained?

I know I am asking lots of questions, but I do not want to look back and regret anything in the way I trained. Thanks in advanced.

[ironaddict69]

So many guys are always talking about over training. Some have said I do too much but I have seen huge results in strength gain. I am torn between sticking with what is getting me the gains and taking the advice from others. You say you wish you would have trained with more intensity, how so? I don't like to leave the gym until the muscle group I am working is destroyed. Regardless of how sets it takes? Was this how you trained?

I know I am asking lots of questions, but I do not want to look back and regret anything in the way I trained. Thanks in advanced.

I have done the same thing, trained till death, since i was 17. even back then i was stronger than 98% of the people in the gym.

[Haro3]

So many guys are always talking about over training. Some have said I do too much but I have seen huge results in strength gain. I am torn between sticking with what is getting me the gains and taking the advice from others. You say you wish you would have trained with more intensity, how so? I don't like to leave the gym until the muscle group I am working is destroyed. Regardless of how sets it takes? Was this how you trained?

I know I am asking lots of questions, but I do not want to look back and regret anything in the way I trained. Thanks in advanced.

see i would go into the gym sayin to myself "ok you have 15 sets to destroy your back/chest whatever" and i would force myself to do the heaviest/most work in those 15 sets as possible. on the days i drug ass i drug ass but at 15 sets i was done etc. once i've been in the gym an hour im done i leave cuz anything longer im jus not getting a damn thing done....

[crazycrab]

Good job Haro3, your chest and and back made good gains. Keep it up bro.