M1t FAQ

[wired-up]

Bump for newbies...

hey man. great info. i talked to a trainer at the gym the other day when i was getting my BF checked. he started trying to tell me about diet and stuff. so we got to talking about supplements and he mentioned he was on M1T. i asked him "what else" and he said "what do you mean?" i said "what are you taking for PCT? what are taking to safe guard your liver?" he said the stuff he was on had 6-oxo (only after i mentioned it) and the guy at the nutrition store said he didn't need PCT due to the contents in the M1T he was taking. i told him to find this thread and read it. do you know how much of this stuff applies to 1-test (not M1T) and some of the other PH/PS's? i've been told that 1-test and others aren't as toxic as M1T so you don't need the milk thistle. i was also told that you only needed tribulus for PCT. i'm going to run some nolva and clomid though. thanks for all your effort with this.

[LeanMeOut]

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[Soldier of Misfortune]

i asked him "what else" and he said "what do you mean?" i said "what are you taking for PCT? what are taking to safe guard your liver?" he said the stuff he was on had 6-oxo (only after i mentioned it) and the guy at the nutrition store said he didn't need PCT due to the contents in the M1T he was taking.

Just goes to show you people in suppstores are morons.

[eyecandy_44]

Bump for newbies...

such good info on this thread! thanks all!

[ekul1-1]

Hey
Im interested in taking a cycle of m1t's, but im a little worried about the growth stunting ive heard about.

Im 18yo, 145 lbs, 5'8.

Im not sure if im completely done growing, and id like to get all the height i can get.

Is there actually a growth stunting side effect? If so, can i do/take something to prevent this?

thanks.


also, is it absolutely necessary to take Nolvadex and Clomid Therapy?.... i was thinking of just taking milk thistle, and then for my PCT taking some sort of testosterone... does that sound good? any suggestions?

[matt50]

Hey
Im interested in taking a cycle of m1t's, but im a little worried about the growth stunting ive heard about.

Im 18yo, 145 lbs, 5'8.

Im not sure if im completely done growing, and id like to get all the height i can get.

Is there actually a growth stunting side effect? If so, can i do/take something to prevent this?

thanks.


also, is it absolutely necessary to take Nolvadex and Clomid Therapy?.... i was thinking of just taking milk thistle, and then for my PCT taking some sort of testosterone... does that sound good? any suggestions?

do not take any steroid/pro hormone till at least 22 y/o

[UpstateTank]

Hey
Im interested in taking a cycle of m1t's, but im a little worried about the growth stunting ive heard about.

Im 18yo, 145 lbs, 5'8.

Im not sure if im completely done growing, and id like to get all the height i can get.

Is there actually a growth stunting side effect? If so, can i do/take something to prevent this?

thanks.


also, is it absolutely necessary to take Nolvadex and Clomid Therapy?.... i was thinking of just taking milk thistle, and then for my PCT taking some sort of testosterone... does that sound good? any suggestions?

1. You're too young
2. Its apparent by your post you dont know a thing about M1T
3. You're not ready for M1T at 145lbs
4. You need to hit up the diet forum and get a set diet, also hit up the workout forum and get a set workout.
5. Lastly all the steroids in the world wont save you if your diet isnt in check.

[nsa]

And trainers for the most part.

But you don't need milk thidtle for 1-test. You still should stack it with 4-ad, and i personally would not use tribulus or 6-oxo for pct for anything., get clomid and nolvadex.

[wired-up]

get clomid and nolvadex.

yeah, i've got these on hand, ready to go. you're suggested PCT is a little different than Pheedno's (his is for real gear though) i was wondering if there was that much of a difference? you use more nolva, but less clomid. is there a method to this madness? i've only got a week left on my cycle, so it's not really worth it to get 4-AD at this point. i never had any lethargy or loss of appetite on 1-test. if anything, my appetite and energy went up. strength is up across the board. 30lb increase on bench in 3 weeks for example.

edit: forgot to mention that i'm stacking 1-test with Finigenx made by Pharmagenx. It's roughly equivalent to Tren in the way 1-test is equivalent to test.

[nsa]

Pheedno's pct is 100 mg of clomid and 10 mg of nolvadex for 3-4 weeks i believe. But i think that front loading clomid works, some people don't but for me i know it gets my test levels back quicker, i have regular blood tests to verify this.

[GQSuperman]

i started my cycle of M1T earlier this week. i'm posting my progress in the cycle section with before and after photo's. i've also given a brief summary of my daily diet and my routine.

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=128229

[wired-up]

Pheedno's pct is 100 mg of clomid and 10 mg of nolvadex for 3-4 weeks i believe. But i think that front loading clomid works, some people don't but for me i know it gets my test levels back quicker, i have regular blood tests to verify this.

good to know. especially with test results to solidify it. thanks.

[63190]

Don't flame on me for I have not finished reading the 11 pages that this thread is before asking my questions. Not yet any way.

Question 1: What is the recomended dosage ratio mg/lb?
Question 2: Should I cut up before going on an M1T/4-AD cycle? I've been trying to bulk for a while now and I think I'm around 20%BF now. I'm coming off a shoulder AC injury. I used to 1RM at 280 and right now I'm having a hard time doing 5 reps at 225 and inline DB's press at 75lbs for 8 reps. I'm 6'3" and 202lbs right now. I'm 28yrs now. Been lifting steadly for 3 years now. Never done a cycle of anything.
Question 3: Being that this a bulking supplement, can I still take creatine with it? I dont' think I'm going to use ON's Serious Mass any more. I'll switch to Pure Whey and Micellar Matrix before bed.
Question 4: I live near the border of Mexico. Can I trust the clomid and nolvadex I get from the pharmacies that are about five blocks apart from each other over there?

[nsa]

Don't flame on me for I have not finished reading the 11 pages that this thread is before asking my questions. Not yet any way.

Question 1: What is the recomended dosage ratio mg/lb?
Question 2: Should I cut up before going on an M1T/4-AD cycle? I've been trying to bulk for a while now and I think I'm around 20%BF now. I'm coming off a shoulder AC injury. I used to 1RM at 280 and right now I'm having a hard time doing 5 reps at 225 and inline DB's press at 75lbs for 8 reps. I'm 6'3" and 202lbs right now. I'm 28yrs now. Been lifting steadly for 3 years now. Never done a cycle of anything.
Question 3: Being that this a bulking supplement, can I still take creatine with it? I dont' think I'm going to use ON's Serious Mass any more. I'll switch to Pure Whey and Micellar Matrix before bed.
Question 4: I live near the border of Mexico. Can I trust the clomid and nolvadex I get from the pharmacies that are about five blocks apart from each other over there?

If under 200 then 10 mg m1t.
If over 200 then 15-20 mg m1t.
This is with a low body fat %.
I think that cutting is always good before a cycle of something androgenic, you need to get you bf% as low as possible before taking any bulking supplement.
Yes, you can use creatine, i like starting out with creatine then dropping it and starting it again along with pct to help keep strength.
Why not get your ancillaries from AR-R?

[63190]

If under 200 then 10 mg m1t.
If over 200 then 15-20 mg m1t.
This is with a low body fat %.
I think that cutting is always good before a cycle of something androgenic, you need to get you bf% as low as possible before taking any bulking supplement.
Yes, you can use creatine, i like starting out with creatine then dropping it and starting it again along with pct to help keep strength.
Why not get your ancillaries from AR-R?

Dang, I've just gotten to 202lbs and some chicks told me I looked good like that, not all skinny like I was. I had gotten down to a cut (7-10%BF) for a while. Of course these chicks are my friends and they are fat. So the closer I am to looking like them I guess they like that better.
Any way, I guess I'll just try to level out or lean out between now and three months from now. Start a cycle in mid January.
I guess, I'll have to come down to 190 and then do 10mg for four weeks.
How many mg or mcg for the 4-AD?
Can I find dosage guide lines for the clomid and nolva in the PCT forum if I do a search? Or do I just do exactly as you did?
And as to why not order form AR-R, well, I just thought it would be less hassle going to Mexico, and if I should ever step up AAS, I would already be familure with procuring PCT. My parents go over to get amoxicillan and other anitbiotics.
Thanks for answering nsa, you're

[nsa]

Dang, I've just gotten to 202lbs and some chicks told me I looked good like that, not all skinny like I was. I had gotten down to a cut (7-10%BF) for a while. Of course these chicks are my friends and they are fat. So the closer I am to looking like them I guess they like that better.
Any way, I guess I'll just try to level out or lean out between now and three months from now. Start a cycle in mid January.
I guess, I'll have to come down to 190 and then do 10mg for four weeks.
How many mg or mcg for the 4-AD?
Can I find dosage guide lines for the clomid and nolva in the PCT forum if I do a search? Or do I just do exactly as you did?
And as to why not order form AR-R, well, I just thought it would be less hassle going to Mexico, and if I should ever step up AAS, I would already be familure with procuring PCT. My parents go over to get amoxicillan and other anitbiotics.
Thanks for answering nsa, you're

With buying from ar-r you know that the stuff isn't bunk. I also would like to point out that there is not exactly a clear line between the 10-20 mg per day dose. Alot of things come into play here, BF%, height. I would start with 10 mg ED then bump it up to 15, if 10 mg isn't making you stronger by the end of week 2.

[63190]

Whew! Just finished reading every single post on here. It took me the better part of a week to do. I'm way behind in reading The Lord of The Rings now.
Any way, I did find out about front loading the PCT now. I also saw that stuff about upping the HB to get rid of headaches. Probably the most important thing I learned is that to stack means to use similtaniously. I had completely misunderstood this. I thought weeks 1-4 M1T then 5-8 4AD. LOL Now I know that it's both. Some how on the sample cycle I got confuzzled.

[63190]

Bump. This should be a sticky.

[SickNasty]

Stickie! Stickie!

[birsling]

Stick it up!

[birtcheh]

this is so large!

[OSTIE]

I hope this wasnt posted in one of the 10 previous pages..... but why transdermal
4-ad as opposed to powder?

[nsa]

You mean why transdermal instead of oral? The reason i ask is that you could take powder and combine it with a transdermal gel to make your own transdermal 4-ad.

[birsling]

Or Ostie, are you asking why transdermal vs. capped powder?

No matter what you are asking, I believe your answer is going to be absorption rate and effectiveness. On top of those, transdermals are so fast and easy to use. How many caps can one person take in a day ?

[wired-up]

How many caps can one person take in a day ?

i've taken 30 flax gels in one day before (not all at once)

[nsa]

Or Ostie, are you asking why transdermal vs. capped powder?

No matter what you are asking, I believe your answer is going to be absorption rate and effectiveness. On top of those, transdermals are so fast and easy to use. How many caps can one person take in a day ?

This is correct, transdermals generally have a much better absorbtion rate than oral ph's, thus being more effective for gains. I don't understand why people don't want to use transdermals but instead want to go with orals. Orals are more expensive and less effective.

[birsling]

This is correct, transdermals generally have a much better absorbtion rate than oral ph's, thus being more effective for gains. I don't understand why people don't want to use transdermals but instead want to go with orals. Orals are more expensive and less effective.

Thanks N! It looks like I have learned a lot from you bro

[OSTIE]

Sorry guys, I meant the capped powder.... just trying to get my post out fast before I headed back to school.

Thanks for the response, if I eventually decide to do an m1t cycle, ill pick up the 4derm. Its just hard telling my brain the a spray is better than ingesting something. You guys are smart though, so I believe ya.

Thanks,

-ost

[Bleche]

In the first post it says supplementing with Tribulus will keep your testicles from shrinking while on cycle, it doesn't say anything about dosage in any of the other posts (unless I am blind, which is possible ), so what would you recommend if taking 10mg of M1T a day excluding the 4-ad?

Thanks!

[nsa]

I wouldn't drop the 4-ad if i was you...

That being said, tribulus works well around 5 grams ED.

[DirtyDog]

I wouldn't drop the 4-ad if i was you...

That being said, tribulus works well around 5 grams ED.

5mg of Tribulus at what percentage steroidal sapoins?

[nsa]

The highest percentage you can find. I think most are 45% but there is one somewhere that is 80% saponins.

[DirtyDog]

The highest percentage you can find. I think most are 45% but there is one somewhere that is 80% saponins.

Yeah, I've only seen ones at 45%.

Does anyone know who the 80% one is made by?

[DevilsDeity]

Vitrix BY Nutrex Research
Liquid German Tribulus Terrestris 1000 mg
Total Saponins 80%
Protodioscin 20%

[DirtyDog]

Vitrix BY Nutrex Research
Liquid German Tribulus Terrestris 1000 mg
Total Saponins 80%
Protodioscin 20%

Nice one dude, cheers

[jmillerdls]

jesus, ive been looking for hours and can't find any liquid form of these...just pill form, and its expensive as hell ($50 for 30 20mg tablets, which id clearly need more than one order of)...really wish there was a way to help others find it

[jmillerdls]

alright, just came across it...good price too, so now im happy
anabloicminds.com is a good place to search, although it took me awhile to find a place that was up to date

[nsa]

From the feedback i've heard from my freinds vitrix is a very solid supplement...

[nsa]

Support the board. Buy it from Anabolicreview - research...

[DevilsDeity]

man i just spilled about 1/2 oz of 4derm all over my desk and legs
this should be fun