Hey!! CHECK THIS GUY OUT!!(movie)

[BajanBastard]

QUOTES FROM STUDY

"these high doses are associated with high frequency of adverse effects."

The men were not given any anti-estrogenic drugs or DHT blockers. So i would not conculude the "adverse" effects would heppen to steriod.com members who take the necessary precautions

2)Although substantial gains in muscle mass and strength can be realized in older men with supraphysiological testosterone doses, these high doses are associated with high frequency of adverse effects.

It's obvious that older individuals who use androgenic compounds w/o anti-es and/or dht blockers will have problems with prostate, hair loss etc. As I said, practice preventive measures and you'll be fine.

If you were using this study to make decisions on your own dosage, why in your mind is more better?

I guess you missed the part saying the three HIGHEST dosages of TE WERE THE MOST EFFECTIVE.

"The best trade-off was achieved with a testosterone dose (125 mg) that was associated with high normal testosterone levels, low frequency of adverse events and significant gains in fat-free mass and muscle strength."

Again more is better. This statement does not prove other wise, all it shows that in older men 125mg TE was the best "trade off" aka risk vs reward.

Hey SVC what do you have to say about the study involving the younger test subjects? No adverse sides were reported in the study.

[SVC]

QUOTES FROM STUDY

"these high doses are associated with high frequency of adverse effects."

2)Although substantial gains in muscle mass and strength can be realized in older men with supraphysiological testosterone doses, these high doses are associated with high frequency of adverse effects. If you were using this study to make decisions on your own dosage, why in your mind is more better?
"The best trade-off was achieved with a testosterone dose (125 mg) that was associated with high normal testosterone levels, low frequency of adverse events and significant gains in fat-free mass and muscle strength."Hey SVC what do you have to say about the study involving the younger test subjects? No adverse sides were reported in the study.

Younger bodies can initially take more abuse (obviously). It can take years for the problems to show. Do cigarettes kill people the first 20 weeks they start smoking? No, it can take years for the emphysema or lung cancer to show.

THESE STUDIES OBSERVED THE PARTICIPANTS FOR 2O WEEKS, NOT 1 YEAR, OR 2 YEARS OR 20 YEARS.

You sound like the Tobacco Industry 20 years ago when they denied cigarettes caused any health problems at all. (THERE'S A SPECIAL PLACE RESERVED IN HELL FOR THOSE TOBACCO INDUSTRY M***ER F***ERS!!!)

I believe the long term side effects of AS will soon be common knowledge as well.

[Decakur]

If you are using AS at a young age (18-19) you will probaly dont
hurt yourself to much i belive if you do SHORT cycles and not
for a long time, and always stay off at least 6month or a year.

[DADDYDBOL]

(THERE'S A SPECIAL PLACE RESERVED IN HELL FOR THOSE TOBACCO INDUSTRY M***ER F***ERS!!!)

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you must be a liberal....why is it always the companys fault? should bud be held responsible for all the drunk drivers that kill others?

no because its the persons choice....if you make the choice then you have no one to blame but yourself.....

if someone chooses to smoke.....thats their choice and no one is to blame but them.....

[Odin]

Younger bodies can initially take more abuse (obviously). It can take years for the problems to show. Do cigarettes kill people the first 20 weeks they start smoking? No, it can take years for the emphysema or lung cancer to show.

THESE STUDIES OBSERVED THE PARTICIPANTS FOR 2O WEEKS, NOT 1 YEAR, OR 2 YEARS OR 20 YEARS.

You sound like the Tobacco Industry 20 years ago when they denied cigarettes caused any health problems at all. (THERE'S A SPECIAL PLACE RESERVED IN HELL FOR THOSE TOBACCO INDUSTRY M***ER F***ERS!!!)

I believe the long term side effects of AS will soon be common knowledge as well.

Well the body naturally produces tesosterone so it's not going produce somthing it cannot handle. The body does not naturally produce Nicotine and for dam good reasons too.

[KGBnine]

nice research there Big.

[Decakur]

Good job bro! really record out there

[Jackman]

the point of the study was to show more is better he said nothing about you still get same side effects....... he also stated you need to find the optimal dose. So svc your the one back peddling.

[BajanBastard]

the point of the study was to show more is better he said nothing about you still get same side effects....... he also stated you need to find the optimal dose. So svc your the one back peddling.

Prepare to have your pic insulted.

[Jackman]

Prepare to have your pic insulted.

im ready bro! haha

[*Narkissos*]

Prepare to have your pic insulted.

Amazing
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Back on topic... i think adequate information was supplied..We're waiting on SVC to do the same

[thegodfather]

We only live once...you could be struck by lightning, die in a car crash, get a rare disease, and die tomorrow. So I'd rather live a big and strong and happy 60 years, then an unhappy small 80 years. You compare AS to smoking thats funny. Smoking has ZERO positive side effects. AS gets you big, but CAN have adverse negative side effects, its a tradeoff. There is no tradeoff to cigarettes.

[AG5678]

We only live once...you could be struck by lightning, die in a car crash, get a rare disease, and die tomorrow. So I'd rather live a big and strong and happy 60 years, then an unhappy small 80 years. You compare AS to smoking thats funny. Smoking has ZERO positive side effects. AS gets you big, but CAN have adverse negative side effects, its a tradeoff. There is no tradeoff to cigarettes.

Agree. Also sometimes hardly you wont get any sides from a cycle if you run it correctly. Hey SVC do you tell those kids that? Do you explain proper PCT? Are do you tell them "you'll end up like me or all those other guys and you'll DIE"? You’re a fake

[system admin]

No need trying to defend yourself. Tell your side and move on to another topic. Fact is, a thread this long does not get read in its intirety.

Bc

[GREENMACHINE]

Lets stop the madness. The guy in the video can't bring himself to admit he f'ed himself over throwing 13 compounds at himself in one go. Not to mention his 200lb helmet stunt. If he doesn't get it by now well let him go to hell. Ok so he is scaring kids into not taking juice (maybe). Better they not do it than do it wrong. No one on here does steroid because they are socially acceptable. Lets face it whether we like it or not they are not socially acceptable. We make a personal choice but unlike Mr 13 we use common sense and research, what we don't know we find out before making decision. We educate ourself to the risks and we make up our own minds. Might be worth freezing this whole thread or just deleting it. Too many bro have wasted their precious time entertainting this guy. Peace out.

[LACBodybuilder]

No need trying to defend yourself. Tell your side and move on to another topic. Fact is, a thread this long does not get read in its intirety.

Bc

Yeah, there is no way anyone new to this thread could take the time to read the whole thing and understand what is going on. I have been keeping up with it and there are still too many new posts for me to follow.

[shasha213]

Fact is, a thread this long does not get read in its intirety.

Bc

i beg to differ. do i win a prize. first SVC, i find it ironic that there are few on here that bash your steroid usage at one time-when it seems on a milligram basis some take as much as as you did (just fewer versions of steriods). Not bashing anyone just an observation. SVC, you were(in case you never come back) the prototype person of what most ppl who come on these boards want to hear from. opions are all right for conversation, but to hear and see the story you told was awesome-thats true knowlegde. i defend your right to oppose steroids (even though i do not(at least for adults) only because you have done them and have knowledge about them. those who oppose without having any knowledge I cant same the same. Finally, if anyone wants to know why i am responding to a thread that hasnt seen much action lately i just spent 3 hours reading all this stuff i am going to put my 2 cents in. peace

[peaker]

after watching you vid you said you trained with joint problems, by the sounds of it you made them worse by training through your injuries... correct me if i am wrong but you said something like you couldnt remember you shoulders not hurting. do you have any other health problems that are a result of steroids alone?

[Jackman]

my pic did not get flammed! woot

[Odin]

my pic did not get flammed! woot

Show a little ass and it might even get bragged up. JK SVC

[BajanBastard]

Is SVC avoiding my question?

Badass analogy GymDog!

[SVC]

[QUOTE=big k.l.g]Is SVC avoiding my question?


Avoiding which question that I've answered 26 times? Have you really been here since the beginning of this thread? This one? (below)

Originally Posted by big k.l.g
So if a gear-head used optimal doses, controlled and monitored BP, watched RBC count and got blood work before during and after every 10-12 week cycle (steriod.com members are encouraged to do so) what are these horrible side effect do you think can occur?

AUTO IMMUNE DISEASES...

BTW I have no affiliation with steroid.com so I'm not quite sure why you keep making reference to it. The only site dealing with AS that I'm connected to, is my site SteroidsViciousCycles.com

Please remember how cocky some of you are acting now when you're f-ed up down the road. If you do end up getting f-ed up, don't be cowards and take a one way trip to a bridge to expedite your dirt nap... Tell the next generation of "KNOW IT ALLs" what you've been through... stick around and suffer for 50 years because you wanted to be jacked for 3.

[BajanBastard]

[QUOTE=SVC]

Is SVC avoiding my question?


Avoiding which question that I've answered 26 times? Have you really been here since the beginning of this thread? This one? (below)

Originally Posted by big k.l.g
So if a gear-head used optimal doses, controlled and monitored BP, watched RBC count and got blood work before during and after every 10-12 week cycle (steriod.com members are encouraged to do so) what are these horrible side effect do you think can occur?

AUTO IMMUNE DISEASES...

BTW I have no affiliation with steroid.com so I'm not quite sure why you keep making reference to it. The only site dealing with AS that I'm connected to, is my site SteroidsViciousCycles.com

Please remember how cocky some of you are acting now when you're f-ed up down the road. If you do end up getting f-ed up, don't be cowards and take a one way trip to a bridge to expedite your dirt nap... Tell the next generation of "KNOW IT ALLs" what you've been through... stick around and suffer for 50 years because you wanted to be jacked for 3.

SVC I'm not acting cocky at all, i asked you a question that i would like an answer to, in detail and why. Just screaming AUTO IMMUNE DISEASES is not going to cut it. Eg there is a bro here who posted in detail how and why maga-dose AAS cycles shorten life span. I would like you to go into detail as well.

[MER]

SVC do you have any of these Auto Immune Diseases? Seeing as youve done of of the most wide ranged cycles I've seen I would think it would be you who would know about this first hand.

[justin2305]

that was deep

[MER]

But honest

[SVC]

But honest

Yes, I do. A form of arthritis and no family history of it. Another friend and former AS user has MS with no family history of it another Muscular Dystrophy, another has Leukemia...

[Odin]

Yes, I do. A form of arthritis and no family history of it. Another friend and former AS user has MS with no family history of it another Muscular Dystrophy, another has Leukemia...

A lot of your friends came from the hay day of cocaine too. That Pablo guy in Columbia was really sending over the nose candy in those days.

[SVC]

A lot of your friends came from the hay day of cocaine too. That Pablo guy in Columbia was really sending over the nose candy in those days.

I never did Cocaine or any other rec drugs and neither did any of the guys I mentioned... now what's the reason? Could it be the AS we all used? Not in your mind because then you couldn't justify what you're doing...

[Aboot]

I never did Cocaine or any other rec drugs and neither did any of the guys I mentioned... now what's the reason? Could it be the AS we all used? Not in your mind because then you couldn't justify what you're doing...

All of the proof that you have provided is anecdotal. That is why you are having trouble convincing "us". You are not seen as independent (as no doubt numerous people here have made you aware). The problem a lot of people are having is seeing your rationale that because you and the other people that you speak of used steriods and are now suffering from various diseases/ailments, that one was the cause of the other instead of other factors/variables.

[seanw]

Yes, I do. A form of arthritis and no family history of it. Another friend and former AS user has MS with no family history of it another Muscular Dystrophy, another has Leukemia...

Since when were any of these disease hereditry ? Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard !!!

[SVC]

Since when were any of these disease hereditry ? Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard !!!

Oh really? Perhaps in the future you should consider researching something before you start typing.

Most forms of arthritis do run in families ...
www.arc.org.uk/about_arth/booklets/6037/6037.htm - 58k - Cached - Similar pages

Discovery Health :: multiple sclerosis
... Death in people with MS is generally related to complications of their
disabilities. ... However, it does tend to run in families. ...
health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/1641.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

Facts About Rare Muscular Dystrophies
... more about inheritance patterns, see "Does It Run ... descent, this form of distal muscular dystrophy is inherited ... quadriceps muscles (in the thigh) tend to remain ...
www.mdausa.org/publications/fa-rareMD.html - 63k - Cached - Similar pages

The Ups and Downs of Cyclothymia - New Jersey ... Bipolar disease and cyclothymia tend to run in families. There may be a genetic link between the two. ... Some individuals do not realize anything is wrong. ...
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[seanw]

Oh really? Perhaps in the future you should consider researching something before you start typing.

Most forms of arthritis do run in families ...
www.arc.org.uk/about_arth/booklets/6037/6037.htm - 58k - Cached - Similar pages

Discovery Health :: multiple sclerosis
... Death in people with MS is generally related to complications of their
disabilities. ... However, it does tend to run in families. ...
health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/1641.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

Facts About Rare Muscular Dystrophies
... more about inheritance patterns, see "Does It Run ... descent, this form of distal muscular dystrophy is inherited ... quadriceps muscles (in the thigh) tend to remain ...
www.mdausa.org/publications/fa-rareMD.html - 63k - Cached - Similar pages

The Ups and Downs of Cyclothymia - New Jersey ... Bipolar disease and cyclothymia tend to run in families. There may be a genetic link between the two. ... Some individuals do not realize anything is wrong. ...
www.somersetmedicalcenter.com/14300.cfm - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

The word tend is used a lot here. I know one person with MS and she has no history of it in her family so I would like to see a LOT more evidence before I was convinced.

[Jackman]

im still waiting on what big klg posted to be commented on.

[Decakur]

im still waiting on what big klg posted to be commented on.

That's right!

[LACBodybuilder]

im still waiting on what big klg posted to be commented on.

Im kind of interested to see this aswell.

[peump]

wow this thread has gotten alot of attention!! now im here giving it more.

this thread is an attention whore

slutofathread!

[Decakur]

wow this thread has gotten alot of attention!! now im here giving it more.

this thread is an attention whore

slutofathread!

Althought is a huge thread

[Decakur]

Althought is a huge thread

Thats right.. but where is SVC?

2005 the new year

[Decakur]

I heard that 10mg DBOL ED in 30days would give you som little
gains and also give you higher own production of testosteron higher
after the cycle.
Small doses dbol...