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Bcap, my rat took Clen/T3 form this site and had great results; however, his diet was not as in check as yours. I would defiantly recommend reading every post you can before you make your choice. And you probably don’t need it. You keep dieting like you are and you will reach your goal. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Yeah I know I don't NEED it, but to tell you the truth, I'm getting really sick of cutting haha. I want to speed up results - get to my goal bf% and then do a bulk for a few weeks to get some decent size, cut up again and be all ripped for summer.
Any ideas? Shoudl I bulk now for a couple weeks to get some more mass, then cut or what?
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I'm kind of in the same delima as you, bcap, and I've decided to keep cutting as much as I'd like to do a clean bulk right now. I figure the more fat I go ahead and cut off now, the less I'll have to do after my bulk. Plus, I feel like I've got my metabolism pretty stoked right now, might as well take advantage of it while I can.
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hey B! you're amazing, seriously. awesome dedication.
before you try and cut down any more though, i would do a short bulk to see how you do. you're starting to waste away
i wouldn't eliminate clen as an option in your next cutting cycle, but if you try it now, i think you would burn more muscle than fat (even though clen is *supposed to* preserve muscle)
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Yeah, here's what I had in mind guys.
As of Monday, bulk for 3 weeks. I'll be on creatine and probably something else (not sure what else - no juice though). I'll put on as much muscle as I can and then cut for anohter, say 6 weeks, possibly with clen.
What do you guys think?
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to be honest, i dont think 3 weeks is going to do anything for you in the way of building muscle. i would suggest 10 weeks...short by bulking standards, but still long enough to build a few lbs of solid mass.
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ahhh i can't do a full 10 weeks! i wanna get lean for summer, i am no where near where I want to be, should i just do a quick 3 week bulk then cut with clen or shoudl i continue my cutting?
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i would just continue cutting for now...maybe just try and maintain through the summer months.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking too - it is summer, I am still young, I DO want to enjoy myself and not have to worry about going to the beach and packing myself broccoli, flax oil and chicken you knwo what I mean. I don't know, I need to make some decisions
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keep cutting, a 3 week natural bulk will give you next to no new muscle, you may gain some water weight with the creatine but you'll lose it again once you start to cut, Quil mentions a good point, your metabolism is up so take advantage of it plus your used to your eating and exercise schedule by now so keep the cutting going, getting abs by the end of summer is definately in view for ya now man. good job
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but see here is my issue:
I am a 19 year old. My friends like to drink. I like to drink. I don't want to totally **** up all the time.
I don't know what to do, like I want to continue being healthy and all that but I want to be able to enjoy my summer you know? These are supposed to be the "best times of my life". It's hard having to say no to go out for lunch with friends cause its not on my diet.
What if i still worked out, still did cardio, but like wasn't so totally strict. I.e. if my friends wanted to go out for a few beers, i'd do it, if everoned ordered a pizza every now and then i'd have a few slices, and so on.
Is that bad? Will I gain weight? Will the last 12 weeks go to waste? I don't know what to do guys!
I had my cheat meal today - took my mom and grandmoms and girlfriend and her mom out for lunch, so i'm depressed from that haha. I hate eating crappY!
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bcap!
Phenominal progress!
I would call it success. You are doing a great job - those triceps are coming through nicely!
Keep up the good work. Don't party away your hard work, enjoy yourself, but limit it throughout the summer. The worst thing that could possibly happen to you is that you will lose your hard earned results - it would be detrimental to you psychologically and physically if you lose what you have already won...
I usually go by the rule that if you eat 37 out of 42 meals a week clean, you are ok. Keep it similar to that and you should be fine, I would still eat clean, cardio, lift, keep the routine going and keep your cheating and drinking to a comfortable moderation.
LAG
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Theres no need to feel depressed man. If you wanna get ripped stick to the program and **** the pizza for a little while longer. You're only 19, pizza will still be there in the winter. Don't let you friends make you feel wierd for sticking to your goals. If they're really your friends, they'll understand that it's important to you.Originally Posted by bcap
But...if you feel that sticking to the diet is affecting you that much, you need to decide whats more important and move on. The way I see it is that you've hung on this long, you might as well bust ass for a few more weeks and see how low in bf you can go. If you've never cut super low before, now is the time. As you get into the single digits you start to see a completely different body, its worth the effort, if only for the pics.
With that said, a couple brew daddies every once in a while isn't gunna throw you off course....it just opens the door to more temptation. If you feel you can drink and not go home and eat a pizza at 2am have a couple beers with your buddies once in a while.
Good Luck
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Hey bcap,
While I am cutting heavily right now due to being a lot overweight when I was 22-24 after college my roommate and I would work out hard 4-5 days per week with the weights and I usually fit in three cardio sessions...post workout.
That being said we would go out had hit the bars hard every Friday and Saturday night. Always eating healthy food but would throw down a whole bunch of captain and cokes...it's tough to order egg white omelette with dry wheat toast at 3 am but hey...gotta do it.
We were 9 to 5 monday thru friday guys for work so the weekdays were rock solid for lifting and eating...too much booze on Friday and Saturday. Roommate has a frame much like yours and still got the abs to show up and put on some solid strength gains. I was not as skinny but still average about 1 pound per week with a diet that is nowhere close to what we have picked up here.
Just thought I would share some experience with you. Like one of the other guys said...keep the diet in check 85% of the time and you should be just fine.
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Bro, let me tell you from experience, you are walking a very slippery slope doing the "few slices of pizza every now and then...beer here and there" thing. This is my third major cut of soon-to-be over 30lbs...notice I said my THIRD!!!! I've done what you are talking about before...cut 30 lbs off and said "Hell yeah, look at me!! Let's go have some beers!", and before you know it, you're right back where you started. If you have the discipline to continue your cardio, workouts, and diet 90% of the time and then go out just every now and then, more power to you. I don't. It's one extreme or the other for me. Mentally, I'm in the same ballpark as you right now...I've been cutting for 14 weeks, and need to cut for another 6-8 to get to where I need to be before I clean bulk. And it sucks. I'm tired, cranky, and ready to eat...ready to get big again. I just can't bear to have that fat staring me in the face when I look in the mirror to see my gains. So I'm going to suck it up, slap myself a couple times, and press.
Sorry for the rant. I just hate to see you waste away your hard earned gains. Good luck man. Hang in there.
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You will probably have that bad day and night of beer and pizza but after a day or two you will be like damn i am getting fat again and should get back on track. Once you get to a point where you feel good about the way you look or atleast alot better than before you will always look back and strive to get back there if you fall of course for a while. Atleast that is what happens sometimes to me when i cut....
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Good afternoon gentlemen.
So today marks a wonderful day in history - I am done my initial 12 week transformation!
I went out and celebrated that fact last night, and to tell you the truth, I am taking the weekend off. Sorry to disapoint you all - but as of Monday I'm just going to have to cut like a mother fvcker for another 6 weeks. I have some superpump 250 (cutting creatine) that I am starting up on Monday, and I was thinking bout going back on the eca stack - I have a feeling my beta receptors are shot though, only because I was on eCa a long time ago and was on it for quite a whiel - anyway I can fix this?
Anyway, like I said, the next few days I'm goign to take off, just relax - eat healthy (not splurg), but not refine myself to chicken and oatmeal. Come Monday, I'm starting a BRAND NEW transformation, I am goign to revise my diet and the whole bit. Good thing is, the gym i'm joining on Monday is open 24 hours a day, so I'll never have an excuse to miss the Gym.
Anyways, thanks so much for the motivation guys, and I'll talk to you all on Sunday to help me revise my diet
Bryan
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Congrats man. Good luck with your new transformation.
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Thanks Quil.
I will take a new "before" pic Monday morning (after a weekend of enjoying myself and taking a break from dieting), and will go for 6 more weeks - but hard.
Like I asked - is there anyway to "fix" my beta receptors? I'm pretty sure they're fried from me taking ephedrine a long time ago in large quantities - I was stupid before. Any idea?
Thanks. Bryan
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Bryan, I heard taking benadryl for a week gets your beta receptors back to normal.
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yeah, it also F's with your circadian rhythm....hence, the 2am post.
don't mess w/clen yet B...trust us.
have a couple slices of pizza now and then...maybe a couple beers! you're right, these ARE the best years of your life. enjoy them....just have a good balance. even pros have off-seasons. some take it to extremes and work harder during pre-contest...and others (like you should do) continue with their healthy lifestyle but give in a little now and then, but have an easier time when cutting.
i would seriously shoot myself if i was on a diet 365 days a year...there's no way i could do such a thing.
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yeah i agree. but i DO want to reach my goal. I'm so close I can reach out and touch it, I want to get there like nothing else, then go on maintenance
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So if I took benadryl for a week I could go back on ECA with the full effects?
What kind of benadryl there are all kinds of it
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just regular benadryl will do the trick. the small pink pills, 50 caplets for 8.99 at shoppers drugmart
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fantastic results so far bro.. big up!
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Just letting you guys know I'm still alive!
I'm enjoying my weekend off, giving my metabolism a kick in the ass. Come monday it's not going to knwo what hit it!
If my beta receptros are shot, shoudl I take benadryle for a week and THEN get onto the eca stack, or start the eca stack now WITH the benadryl?
Thanks, Bryan
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Hey guys
Again, still alive. Tomorrow starts a new transformation. I'm gonna keep it up on this thread - I'm guessing another 6-8 weeks, or until I'm happy (probably never). For the 1st week, I'm going to be on Superpump250 (cutting creatine) and benadryle, after the 1st week I'm either getting back onto eca or clen, haven't totally decided yet.
What do you guys think?
I am going to be doing cardio 7 days a week - no excuse.
I did so well in my last transformation, I am going to do it again, I WILL get down to the single digits bf%. I think sometime this week I will get my bf% tested, that way I can compare it to the end of it. Or shoudl I just get calipers?
Bryan
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Also, another question.
I will be takign Gaspari Nutrition Superpump 250. It is a pre-workout creatine mix, I am thinking of investing in Gaspari Nutrition Sizeon. It is apparantly a post-workout mix. It has 30g carbs and creatine. Shoudl I take 2 servings of this plus 1 1/2 scoop of protein pwo to make it 30g pro, 60g carb + creatine after workout?
Could anyone take a look @ the 2 products and let me know if I am goign to be benefiting from them? It also says it is an intra-workout drink, shoudl I take it while i workout? Do i count the carbs towards daily intake?
Thanks again
Bryan
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Save your money and buy some bulk creatine ethyl ester and dextrose for PWO.
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Yeah i've got dex for pwo, but I think I am switching to a solid source - oats, seeming as I won't be having a ppwo meal. Creatine Ethyl Ester, as in Creatine Mono? Or ...
Thanks for the help
Bryan
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Hey guys
I actually have another question. Does this sound like a good idea (seeming as a lot of you have been following my progress, you know quite a bit about me) for me?
Doing workouts based around 3 different sequences:
Day1: Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Day2: Arms/Biceps
Day3: Legs
Day4: Rest
Repeat
Doing only a few excercises per body part. For example, on chest day, a lot of the chest exercises work triceps and shoudlers, so maybe i'd go 2 presses, 2 shoulder exercises and a couple tricep exercises.
Good idea/ Bad Idea? Thinking its kinda good, I'll do high reps to work on cutting instead of putting on size.
Any comments are welcome
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Anyone have any opinions on doing shoulders/chest/tris in the same day? I am going to the gym in 20 and need to know if i shoudl do it :S
Bryan
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Hey guys.
Like I said, I started my new transformation today. Below are pics, I forgot to do weight today so I'll do it tomorrow. I didn't get to cardio on an empty stomach today because my gym closed early so I had to get there and get in a workout before they closed. I had a killer chest workout followed by 15 mins cardio. It's all I had time for.
Anyway, here's Week 1 Pics:
Was wondering what you guys thought I shoudl do for workouts. I want to change things up.
I was thinking of going:
- Chest
- Shoudler/Tri
- Back/Bi
- Legs
- Day off
Repeat
What do you guys think? What are some good exercises for cutting? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Bryan
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When I'm looking to mix things up, I'll sometimes do a few weeks of Chest/Bis, Back/Tris, Shoulders/Traps, Legs. Just make sure you space out your chest and back days. You could also choose to give arms a day to themselves and split your shoulder workout up between chest and back day. Just a thought.
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I'm actuallly working on a workout regimine right now I'll post it to see what you guys think.
Bryan
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Ok, I'm stuck lol.
Does this look ok, or?
Day 1: Chest
Day 2: Back/Bicep
Day 3: Shoulders/Tricep
Day 4: Legs
Day 5: Rest
Bryan
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Hey Bryan, run a search on creatine ethyl ester, or CEE in the supps section. It's like mono but better.
What exercises are you doing on the days listed?
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Day 1: Chest
- Flat dumbell press
- Dips
- Incline dumbell press
- Incline flys
Day 2: Back/Bicep
- Deadlifts
- Good mornings
- Barbell curl
- Low Row
- 1 Arm preacher curl
- Lat pull downs - wide grip
- Concentration curl (cables)
- Incline seated hammer curls
Day 3: Shoulders/Tricep
- Standing press
- Skull crushers
- Military press
- Tricep pushdown
- Side raises
- Weighted dips
- Upright row
- Tricep extensions
Day 4: Legs
- Squats
- Calf Raises
- Leg extensions
- Leg curls
- Lunges
Day 5: Rest
What do you guys think?
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bcap your a badass! keep up the good work!
very inpirational
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Thanks Brent. What do you/you guys think of my workout regimine. Last transformation i really focused on diet. I knwo i have that down now, so I want to make sure I'm doing the right thing in the gym. I want to see gains there/increase muscle size AS i'm cutting - I AM on creatine remember, so. I find it helps cut though seriously. What do you guys think of the workout thing i listed 2 up?
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