** The ASK GB ANYTHING thread (diet/nutrition related) **

[gbrice75]

Can basmati rice fit into a cutting diet? Using it as a sub for brown rice
Macros are pretty close...less fat slightly more carbs

Yep... I wouldn't have an issue with it. Nutritional value aside, they are very similar as far as dieting is concerned.

[-KJ-]

Yep... I wouldn't have an issue with it. Nutritional value aside, they are very similar as far as dieting is concerned.

Cheers GB appreciate it! Tastes way better than brown rice IMO

[gbrice75]

These days I use all different varieties - white, brown, white/brown basmati, jasmine, wild, red, etc. Difference is negligible imo - nutritional value aside.

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now i wanna hit u with a question.. after talking to SteM and TBody i have decided to take next week off from lifting.. ive been cutting since like sept28th..i think this will complete 16 weeks saturday.. the thought behind it is to let my body heal and rest and then come back the following week with a new workout program.. just curious as to ur thoughts on the benefit of this as well as discontinuing my caloric deficit(or at least reducing it) for the week also and what benefits(if any)it may have?? i will continue cardio as usual.. thx

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hey GB glad to see u! looks like u got a promotion good work!

[gbrice75]

hey GB glad to see u! looks like u got a promotion good work!

Thanks bro, it was a pleasant surprise to wake up to!

[gbrice75]

You might consider bodyweight/light weight exercises... consider it a deload rather than a complete week off. As for your calories... it depends on how big your deficit is. My initial thought without that info however is to lessen it; remember that if you aren't working out, your TDEE will already be lowered.

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190lbs calipers(7 site) have me at 11.38%bf as of last sat.. may be off a bit but ive had the same person measuring me for 4 months and thats what they say.. started at 21.87%... based on these numbers: BMR:2037;TDEE:3157cals im currently eating 2200cals/day so a big deficit there.. add 40g carbs to that and u get me at 2400 cals max.. ??

[gbrice75]

I wouldn't necessarily up carbs... you'll be doing less activity... less of an energy requirement. I probably would bump protein however... even if via adding a shake or 2 for that week... easy enough.

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interesting i understand ill be doing less activity.. so my body wont "require" xtra carbs but (and bare with me cuz im trying to learn) would u say a 16 week cut of 100g carbs per day hasnt necessarily had a cumulative wear and tear on my body so that going up on the carbs would provide me with extra "workers" to do some good/repair since ive been somewhat deprived for 4 months? or is that what the extra protein is for? current macro split is:300P/100C/55F and i was curious as to whether my body is kind of used to my current diet and by changing the macros would sort of "confuse it" so when i start back the following week it wont still be in the typical pattern its settled into for the last 16 weeks?

[gbrice75]

You don't need extra repair... your body repairs itself within days. 100g/day isn't necessarily deprivation, and tbh I doubt you've been doing severely destructive workouts while in this deficit - or your body would have let you know long ago.

The increased protein is to ensure muscle mass is preserved while not being stimulated, as well as providing additional calories via the macro least likely to be stored as bodyfat.

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so in ur opinion do u think i even need a break at all?

[tbody66]

In a large and general sense our bodies repair within days, but there will always be some residual lack of repair if you are training consistently at any level. If you were to do any activity during this de-load/re-feed phase I would recommend swimming. And it also gets our bodies thinking it's okay to relax, not be tense with the expectation of hard training, so when we come back with the training it catches our bodies off guard and jump starts growth all over again. I also think what GB is saying is that your current carb intake will technically be an increase due to your decrease in activity. I personally don't completely hold that opinion and think you could double your carbs for the whole week and be fine. I'd actually even go to the extent of eating anything and everything you want and not even keeping track of it for the whole week, doing absolutely no cardio or weight training. Not even come to the boards. Take a complete and total vacation from it all, physically, emotionally and mentally. Write your diet and workout programs that you will be changing to before you take the week off so you don't spend any energy on it at all. De-load, re-feed and de-stress!!!

[SlimmerMe]

In a large and general sense our bodies repair within days, but there will always be some residual lack of repair if you are training consistently at any level. If you were to do any activity during this de-load/re-feed phase I would recommend swimming. And it also gets our bodies thinking it's okay to relax, not be tense with the expectation of hard training, so when we come back with the training it catches our bodies off guard and jump starts growth all over again. I also think what GB is saying is that your current carb intake will technically be an increase due to your decrease in activity. I personally don't completely hold that opinion and think you could double your carbs for the whole week and be fine. I'd actually even go to the extent of eating anything and everything you want and not even keeping track of it for the whole week, doing absolutely no cardio or weight training. Not even come to the boards. Take a complete and total vacation from it all, physically, emotionally and mentally. Write your diet and workout programs that you will be changing to before you take the week off so you don't spend any energy on it at all. De-load, re-feed and de-stress!!!

Very true about the swimming. I swam laps practically every single day this past summer for about 25 minutes and during this time less stress and then after the summer went to the gym more often and honestly felt like a big jump start. So true.

[tbody66]

Very true about the swimming. I swam laps practically every single day this past summer for about 25 minutes and during this time less stress and then after the summer went to the gym more often and honestly felt like a big jump start. So true.

That right there is like running for the republican nomination for the presidential ticket and having Ronald Reagan himself endorse you!

[Sgt. Hartman]

In a large and general sense our bodies repair within days, but there will always be some residual lack of repair if you are training consistently at any level. If you were to do any activity during this de-load/re-feed phase I would recommend swimming. And it also gets our bodies thinking it's okay to relax, not be tense with the expectation of hard training, so when we come back with the training it catches our bodies off guard and jump starts growth all over again. I also think what GB is saying is that your current carb intake will technically be an increase due to your decrease in activity. I personally don't completely hold that opinion and think you could double your carbs for the whole week and be fine. I'd actually even go to the extent of eating anything and everything you want and not even keeping track of it for the whole week, doing absolutely no cardio or weight training. Not even come to the boards. Take a complete and total vacation from it all, physically, emotionally and mentally. Write your diet and workout programs that you will be changing to before you take the week off so you don't spend any energy on it at all. De-load, re-feed and de-stress!!!

One entire week of eating whatever you want could easily reverse the effects of 4 weeks of dieting.

[tbody66]

Or could make all of the work you put into lifting and strict diet and fill you completely out, totally restore all levels of everything lacking and re-prime you for another round of intensity like you never before experienced.

[gbrice75]

so in ur opinion do u think i even need a break at all?

Like I said... a break from your routine - yes. A complete break, no, I don't think you need one. Lightweight stuff, bodyweight stuff - squats, pushups, etc.

In a large and general sense our bodies repair within days, but there will always be some residual lack of repair if you are training consistently at any level.

If that's the case, then how do or are college and pro athletes able to continue functioning at the level they do for as long as they do? This is bordering on broscience!

If you were to do any activity during this de-load/re-feed phase I would recommend swimming. And it also gets our bodies thinking it's okay to relax, not be tense with the expectation of hard training, so when we come back with the training it catches our bodies off guard and jump starts growth all over again.

Changing ones routine and/or a week of light weight activity would do the same... without allowing the individual to become complacent and lazy.

I also think what GB is saying is that your current carb intake will technically be an increase due to your decrease in activity. I personally don't completely hold that opinion and think you could double your carbs for the whole week and be fine. I'd actually even go to the extent of eating anything and everything you want and not even keeping track of it for the whole week, doing absolutely no cardio or weight training. Not even come to the boards. Take a complete and total vacation from it all, physically, emotionally and mentally.

TB man... I can't believe you're recommending this. I know we're friends, but I have to be objective and call it like I see it... and imo this is terrible advice. Don't take this as a personal attack - but I haven't seen you come close to single digit bodyfat - maybe it's your approach - so I don't understand advising others.

Eating anything and everything? Man, we frown on a cheat day ; and you're recommending a week? This can ruin a person, especially somebody with a history of poor eating habits, like 405 or myself. Our bodies are lazy by nature; they want to do the least amount of work possible. Indulging in that for too long isn't a good idea imo. I've done it myself; taken a complete week off... and you know what? I didn't feel more motivated at all... I was annoyed to start back up... I missed NOT having to do it!

One entire week of eating whatever you want could easily reverse the effects of 4 weeks of dieting.

Bingo

Or could make all of the work you put into lifting and strict diet and fill you completely out, totally restore all levels of everything lacking and re-prime you for another round of intensity like you never before experienced.

So could eating a planned healthy diet. TB... you've been advising 405 in his thread, and he came here for I assume another opinion. Now you're here debating that opinion. No, I don't mind debating - but you may be driving the OP crazy. Sorry, my .02

[tbody66]

Like I said... a break from your routine - yes. A complete break, no, I don't think you need one. Lightweight stuff, bodyweight stuff - squats, pushups, etc.

valid advice, differing opinion

If that's the case, then how do college or college and pro athletes able to continue functioning at the level they do for as long as they do? This is bordering on broscience!

They don't function at the same level as the season gets longer, the playing field is just level. Every week they are more and more susceptible to injury and recovery isn't complete. Almost every athelete at these levels plays closer to 80% at best near the end of the season. Depending on the sport. Professional baseball has rotation in playing schedules to give those players the needed rest, and you are talking about people that are receiving top tier recover facilities and medical/conditioning staff. These are just a few reasons why there is a bye week built into the NFL and two weeks between the last playoff game and the super-bowl. This is an area I am intimately familiar with and no-where near broscience or the border thereof. The training for these atheletes is different in the off-season with an expectation of there to be loss of muscle during the season because training cannot be as intense during that time. Not to mention the youth factor/testosterone production level of high school/college/professional atheletes, not even an apples to apples question.

If you were to do any activity during this de-load/re-feed phase I would recommend swimming. And it also gets our bodies thinking it's okay to relax, not be tense with the expectation of hard training, so when we come back with the training it catches our bodies off guard and jump starts growth all over again.

Changing ones routine and/or a week of light weight activity would do the same... without allowing the individual to become complacent and lazy.

valid advice, differing opinion

TB man... I can't believe you're recommending this. I know we're friends, but I have to be objective and call it like I see it... and imo this is terrible advice. Don't take this as a personal attack - but I haven't seen you come close to single digit bodyfat - maybe it's your approach - so I don't understand advising others.

Eating anything and everything? Man, we frown on a cheat day ; and you're recommending a week? This can ruin a person, especially somebody with a history of poor eating habits, like 405 or myself. Our bodies are lazy by nature; they want to do the least amount of work possible. Indulging in that for too long isn't a good idea imo. I've done it myself; taken a complete week off... and you know what? I didn't feel more motivated at all... I was annoyed to start back up... I missed NOT having to do it!


I apologize, anything and everything was an extreme exaggeration and I shouldn't have used it. I was trying to suggest that to stress about taking a break would discount all of the positive benefits from taking the break. How could I possibly not take that as personal? I am fine with it being personal, it is certainly accurate, well except up to my mid twenties, but that was just because of my youth(like college atheletes)! The OP is not you. Although my bodyfat hasn't been low I have taken weekly breaks from training every couple of months for years and always come back stronger and feel noticably different in my muscles/joints ability to handle the training again. My reommendation would only be for someone who has been consistently and intensely training, not a recreational exerciser.

Bingo

Again, I apologize for the extreme "eating whatever you want" comment.

So could eating a planned healthy diet. TB... you've been advising 405 in his thread, and he came here for I assume another opinion. Now you're here debating that opinion. No, I don't mind debating - but you may be driving the OP crazy. Sorry, my .02

I responded to the post in this thread before seeing the same thing in his thread. The OP is an intelligent individual and gets a lot of differing information provided from knowledgable people on this board. He knows his body, and would be fully capable of ceasing any activity that he realized was not having it's desired affect. We are friends and that won't ever change.

[gbrice75]

I will respond in detail when I'm not on my phone, but your last sentence speaks volumes; I was just waiting for that comment. We are going down a bad road here, but so be it. You clearly have a hang up about how staff treats/views you - Fireguy, BG... and now me. My being green has no bearing on my personality around here; I am the same person. I am more confident in my advice these days based on my accomplishments, as well as being lucky enough to work with one of if not the smartest guy on this board. I have never once presumed to know it all, and clearly state that in the first post of this thread. I also welcome debating, etc. The problem with you is that you post in every thread, explaining what GB "meant to say", etc, as if you have all the answers. The truth is - and many have echoed this sentiment - because we're friends I bite my tongue on a lot of your posts. The majority of your advice is questionable, and that's the popular opinion, not my own.

I am not looking to get into a war with you. I have enough real life stress to deal with, but I had to respond to an attack like this. I fear you just opened the flood gates for an all out assault...

[tbody66]

I will respond in detail when I'm not on my phone, but your last sentence speaks volumes; I was just waiting for that comment. We are going down a bad road here, but so be it. You clearly have a hang up about how staff treats/views you - Fireguy, BG... and now me. My being green has no bearing on my personality around here; I am the same person. I am more confident in my advice these days based on my accomplishments, as well as being lucky enough to work with one of if not the smartest guy on this board. I have never once presumed to know it all, and clearly state that in the first post of this thread. I also welcome debating, etc. The problem with you is that you post in every thread, explaining what GB "meant to say", etc, as if you have all the answers. The truth is - and many have echoed this sentiment - because we're friends I bite my tongue on a lot of your posts. The majority of your advice is questionable, and that's the popular opinion, not my own.

I am not looking to get into a war with you. I have enough real life stress to deal with, but I had to respond to an attack like this. I fear you just opened the flood gates for an all out assault...

Well this certainly is an un-pleasant twist. I respect you and FG and anything that I presented in a manner that led anyone to believe that I didn't I am truly sorry for. Sorry that I can't place who BG is right now. I can certainly see in my posts where I have done exactly what you said about "explaining" your posts, and I am also sorry for that, not how I intended them to come off. I always thought that I have consistently presented that my area of expertise is the workouts and not the diet, although I have presented opinions about diet/nutrition. I do hope that the majority of advice that is questionable would not be workout related, but whatever it is it is. I would hope to at least get some credit for admitting when I am wrong, which I have recently done with all of my cardio comments. I have tons of things going on in my personal life as well and felt as if I was a benefit to those on these boards so take the time to participate. I will certainly stick around to allow all who desire to present me with their comments and advice for "the flood gates for an all out assault" that I have opened, I hope that those people will do so. I will take all information presented and allow it to help me to become a better person, better equipped to help myself and others. This is your thread for you to provide information and advice to people who want to hear from you because you are a knowledgable and respected member of these boards, and always have been. Please forgive me for the hi-jack and taking anything away from what you were attempting to accomplish. Not that you need it but I fully endorse and support you and your opinions.

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Good morning fellas!! man i sleep in til 11am and everything goes to hell in a handbasket I too am on my cellphone(puter doesnt work at home,yeh i live in the country)..

I feel kinda bad for starting this topic.. When i started my cut i started at 160g carbs/day eating slightly less protein and fat and did see some fatloss if i remember correctly.. After consulting with SteM decided to reduce carbs further to 100g/day and increased protein which increased fat a little..

I wanted to get GBs take on this situation cuz i think its good to get many perspectives...im definitely here to learn from you guys cuz i know yall know ur stuff.. An example of differences would be that GB subscribes to the carb cycle while SteM sticks with low carb.. Both work for fatloss(i am proof of low carb cuz thats what i have been doing) and i think GB carb cycles and u can look at him and tell it works as well as many others...i think its good for all of us to step out of our boxes at least enuff to hear other opinions/beliefs in method of diet and training that way we dont limit ourselves to only one style of diet.. Im sorry that it caused such a heated topic to arise..

On a positive note i weighed in this am at 188lbs! now i know weight is not the final answer to reaching goals but i havent been in the 180s since 2005... And i still have the same strength or a little more actually than when i started this cut 4 months ago at 213lbs... Thats 25lbs in 16 weeks with a higher LBM than when i started!!

I hope we can keep rolling together thru this topicnandncome out the other end all still being "mates" as SteM would say... Although according to his definition of mate its someone u know but woukdnt necessarily have a drink with.. Id have a drink with all u guys just a non-alcoholic one now i have some fasted HIIT cardio to do...

[gixxerboy1]

Good morning fellas!! man i sleep in til 11am and everything goes to hell in a handbasket I too am on my cellphone(puter doesnt work at home,yeh i live in the country)..

I feel kinda bad for starting this topic.. When i started my cut i started at 160g carbs/day eating slightly less protein and fat and did see some fatloss if i remember correctly.. After consulting with SteM decided to reduce carbs further to 100g/day and increased protein which increased fat a little..

I wanted to get GBs take on this situation cuz i think its good to get many perspectives...im definitely here to learn from you guys cuz i know yall know ur stuff.. An example of differences would be that GB subscribes to the carb cycle while SteM sticks with low carb.. Both work for fatloss(i am proof of low carb cuz thats what i have been doing) and i think GB carb cycles and u can look at him and tell it works as well as many others...i think its good for all of us to step out of our boxes at least enuff to hear other opinions/beliefs in method of diet and training that way we dont limit ourselves to only one style of diet.. Im sorry that it caused such a heated topic to arise..

On a positive note i weighed in this am at 188lbs! now i know weight is not the final answer to reaching goals but i havent been in the 180s since 2005... And i still have the same strength or a little more actually than when i started this cut 4 months ago at 213lbs... Thats 25lbs in 16 weeks with a higher LBM than when i started!!

I hope we can keep rolling together thru this topicnandncome out the other end all still being "mates" as SteM would say... Although according to his definition of mate its someone u know but woukdnt necessarily have a drink with.. Id have a drink with all u guys just a non-alcoholic one now i have some fasted HIIT cardio to do...

you have absolutely no reason to apologize.
And congratulations on your results

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you have absolutely no reason to apologize.
And congratulations on your results

thx bro

[-KJ-]

Id say you have answered this a million times GB so sorry in advanced..

What is your views on the whole "magical window" after a workout? I am just researching it, trying to broaden my knowledge of all aspects of dieting and came across it.
A number of different views like "must have simple carbs" so on... And the purpose of spiking insulin PWO. Thanks

Would just like a different view from someone I trust when it comes to nutrtion.
Cheers

[gbrice75]

Id say you have answered this a million times GB so sorry in advanced..

What is your views on the whole "magical window" after a workout? I am just researching it, trying to broaden my knowledge of all aspects of dieting and came across it.
A number of different views like "must have simple carbs" so on... And the purpose of spiking insulin PWO. Thanks

Would just like a different view from someone I trust when it comes to nutrtion.
Cheers

It might already be addressed in this thread, and I briefly discussed it in my cutting 101 sticky, but I don't mind touching on it again!

I think the 'anabolic window' is complete horseshit. I think it's a great marketing scheme drummed up by supplement companies to get people to buy their overpriced protein powders and the like. With a solid preworkout meal in your gut, you hardly need to worry about your 'starving' muscles. Furthermore, there are studies that show protein synthesis actually INCREASES several hours pwo, so the idea of the magic window closing is asinine. One could argue that later meals are more beneficial than the ever vital pwo meal. *end sarcasm*

Note that I am not in any way against eating a pwo meal, I eat one myself. However that's simply because it falls at the right time for my eating schedule. I no longer worry if I'm in the gym longer, or have to make a stop somewhere after the gym before I get to eat.

[-KJ-]

It might already be addressed in this thread, and I briefly discussed it in my cutting 101 sticky, but I don't mind touching on it again!

I think the 'anabolic window' is complete horseshit. I think it's a great marketing scheme drummed up by supplement companies to get people to buy their overpriced protein powders and the like. With a solid preworkout meal in your gut, you hardly need to worry about your 'starving' muscles. Furthermore, there are studies that show protein synthesis actually INCREASES several hours pwo, so the idea of the magic window closing is asinine. One could argue that later meals are more beneficial than the ever vital pwo meal. *end sarcasm*

Note that I am not in any way against eating a pwo meal, I eat one myself. However that's simply because it falls at the right time for my eating schedule. I no longer worry if I'm in the gym longer, or have to make a stop somewhere after the gym before I get to eat.

Clears up alot... thanks GB

[gixxerboy1]

what color are your bathroom walls
sorry i had to lighten up the thread

[gbrice75]

what color are your bathroom walls
sorry i had to lighten up the thread

Grr, you bastard!!!

[tbody66]

Is it possible to gain weight on a caloric deficit by adding muscle? Or at best would you stay the same? What I mean is, if I'm consuming x fewer calories than my TDEE and say burning an additional y from cardio and I'm burning fat to provide energy and adding muscle during the same time could you gain weight? Would the answer be any different if you were on cycle?

[gbrice75]

Is it possible to gain weight on a caloric deficit by adding muscle? Or at best would you stay the same? What I mean is, if I'm consuming x fewer calories than my TDEE and say burning an additional y from cardio and I'm burning fat to provide energy and adding muscle during the same time could you gain weight? Would the answer be any different if you were on cycle?

I'm willing to bet there are a few freaks who have done it, but generally, no. If you are in a caloric deficit - and thats assuming a standard cutting diet where you are in a deficit more often than not - you simply arent getting the calories needed to grow. There are ways around it though... carb/calorie cycling is one. Done correctly, you are basically spending a few days in a deficit burning fat, and a few days in a surplus, hopefully adding or at least maintaining muscle mass. Same deal with intermittent fasting, albeit different timing.

AAS is a game changer. I cut from 195lbs @ roughly 16% to 177lbs @ roughly 10-11%, all natty. I then ran a cutting cycle to further reduce bodyfat - and at my peak got back up to 195lbs and down to around 9% (see my avy) - all while on the same diet I used to cut natty. That diet consisted of 3 days with a fairly large deficit, 3 days at a less severe deficit/close to maintenance, and 1 day a bit over maintenance, a refeed day basically.

[tbody66]

I'm willing to bet there are a few freaks who have done it, but generally, no. If you are in a caloric deficit - and thats assuming a standard cutting diet where you are in a deficit more often than not - you simply arent getting the calories needed to grow. There are ways around it though... carb/calorie cycling is one. Done correctly, you are basically spending a few days in a deficit burning fat, and a few days in a surplus, hopefully adding or at least maintaining muscle mass. Same deal with intermittent fasting, albeit different timing.

AAS is a game changer. I cut from 195lbs @ roughly 16% to 177lbs @ roughly 10-11%, all natty. I then ran a cutting cycle to further reduce bodyfat - and at my peak got back up to 195lbs and down to around 9% (see my avy) - all while on the same diet I used to cut natty. That diet consisted of 3 days with a fairly large deficit, 3 days at a less severe deficit/close to maintenance, and 1 day a bit over maintenance, a refeed day basically.

Okay, so if I use the formula correctly for BMR and TDEE and am running a 500 calorie deficit from intake and another 500 from activity(cardio/weight training) but am not loosing weight but am loosing bf does that mean that for some reason my personal body isn't fitting into the calculators calculations? For example, due to my age or other personal health issues is it possible that my body isn't utilizing the macros the way it's supposed to? And if that is the case and I get on cycle then does that make my body start using them the way it is supposed to?

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Okay, so if I use the formula correctly for BMR and TDEE and am running a 500 calorie deficit from intake and another 500 from activity(cardio/weight training) but am not loosing weight but am loosing bf does that mean that for some reason my personal body isn't fitting into the calculators calculations? For example, due to my age or other personal health issues is it possible that my body isn't utilizing the macros the way it's supposed to? And if that is the case and I get on cycle then does that make my body start using them the way it is supposed to?

Just trying to be helpful If ur running 500below tdee on ur food and then counting calories burned during workout towards ur deficit, aRent those calories already factored into ur tdee? So in essence ur really only running a 500calorie deficit not 1000?? And the tdee calculator tends to be a high estimate??

I run 900below tdee and just do my workouts and dont use the calories expended there in any of my math...

(hope its ok for me to put this in GB)

[gbrice75]

^^ you're losing me. If you're not losing weight but are losing bodyfat... what's the problem? Sounds like quite the ideal scenario to me. If that's truly what's happening, I'd venture to guess your body is utilizing nutrients very efficiently, and adding gear to the mix should only increase efficiency.

[tbody66]

I know it's a good situation, but I'm just thinking that if you are truly at a 1000 calorie a day deficit you should be dropping 2lbs a week. If you aren't, obviously somethings off so if you go into more of a deficit would you lose even more fat or is there a danger of causing other issues. I guess a guy should just leave well enough alone.

[gbrice75]

I know it's a good situation, but I'm just thinking that if you are truly at a 1000 calorie a day deficit you should be dropping 2lbs a week. If you aren't, obviously somethings off so if you go into more of a deficit would you lose even more fat or is there a danger of causing other issues. I guess a guy should just leave well enough alone.

There are too many other factors at play for the math to be that simple, i.e. 7000 calories/week deficit = 2lbs lost. I wish it were that simple... if it were, we'd all have the body of our dreams without much effort, at least from the mental aspect.

To be honest, it's hard for me to believe what you're saying is actually happening. A 1000 calorie/day deficit is pretty severe, and I'd expect to see the scale move at those numbers. Maybe your figures are off; it's no secret that I'm not a fan of the formulas. Chances are you're eating more than you think you need to, meaning your deficit isn't as large as you think. With that said, if you are losing bodyfat, then I'd leave well enough alone.

[tbody66]

There are too many other factors at play for the math to be that simple, i.e. 7000 calories/week deficit = 2lbs lost. I wish it were that simple... if it were, we'd all have the body of our dreams without much effort, at least from the mental aspect.

To be honest, it's hard for me to believe what you're saying is actually happening. A 1000 calorie/day deficit is pretty severe, and I'd expect to see the scale move at those numbers. Maybe your figures are off; it's no secret that I'm not a fan of the formulas. Chances are you're eating more than you think you need to, meaning your deficit isn't as large as you think. With that said, if you are losing bodyfat, then I'd leave well enough alone.

Dude, that's what I was saying. I totally agree, I'm just trying to figure out how/where/why so I can fix it. Thanks for trying to get through my thick skull, I do know I'm a hard one to explain things too.

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to add a personal point to this GB and TBody(if u dont mind)...what do u think about my situation as in:

starting weight:213lb 21.87%bf
current weight:190lb 10.22%bf

equals:23lb/10.43kg drop in fat
4.14lb/1.88kg increase in LBM

all done over 16weeks 2days.. id also like to say i am aware of the potential for some inaccuracy in the bf caliper test.. but i have had the same person doing it every week(my wife).. and we have the harpenden calipers so theyre very good.. my tdee at the start was 3101 and is currently 3164... been eating 2200 cals the whole time...

[Back In Black]

to add a personal point to this GB and TBody(if u dont mind)...what do u think about my situation as in:

starting weight:213lb 21.87%bf
current weight:190lb 10.22%bf

equals:23lb/10.43kg drop in fat
4.14lb/1.88kg increase in LBM

all done over 16weeks 2days.. id also like to say i am aware of the potential for some inaccuracy in the bf caliper test.. but i have had the same person doing it every week(my wife).. and we have the harpenden calipers so theyre very good.. my tdee at the start was 3101 and is currently 3164... been eating 2200 cals the whole time...

I'll weigh in a bit here - gaining LBM and losing bf is possible in your case owing to a complete clean diet overhaul, putting you on hypertrophy workouts and you have started TRT. I'm also not a fan of TDEE calculators, it's why I suggested 2100ish cals for a steady weight loss and not too disimilar a figure for Tbody to follow. Also you have followed diet and routine 99% of the time for the last 4 months and that counts. You were, essentially, almost like a new trainee.

Anyhow, not sure if that even needed saying and, as this isn't my thread, I'm out!

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makes sense