i think the last time i got tren from a different brand it was teh estrogen fina pellets. hence why i am experiencing something a lot different then my last tren cycle.
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i think the last time i got tren from a different brand it was teh estrogen fina pellets. hence why i am experiencing something a lot different then my last tren cycle.
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350-400 ace weekly
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Atomini,
I know you don't advocate posting cycle advice for a 1st time tren user, so I am going to generate one myself based on all of your advice in this thread and ask you if you approve 100%..=) If you think there is anything that can be changed for the better, please advise.
wk 1-8: 25mg prop eod
wk 1-8: 75mg tren a eod
wk 1-8: 1mg caber/wk
wk 9: PCT
Adex on hand. I know you are more of a Aromasin fan
(but most likely will not use the AI- depends on BW results on week 4)
How is it looking??
Cheers!
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Oops, I didn't realize that you meant first-time Tren user as opposed to first time ever AAS user. In this case, I agree 100% that is the perfect Trenbolone beginner cycle!
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Thanks brother.Originally Posted by Atomini
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Hey Atomini,
I know you probably don't suggest me doing tren on my first AAS cycle but I've been lifting for a long time now and decided to run my first cycle and i'm pretty set on running tren ace and test e. Ive done plenty of research on my part as well. I would like for you to critique this first tren cycle.
Week 1-8 Test-E 100mg 2x/week or Test prop since I'm running tren ace?
Week 1-8 Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Week 1-8 aromasin .25mg ED if needed
Week 1-8 Prami .5-1mg/day from day 1
Nolvadex- 14 days after last injection for test e, 3 days for test prop
40mg first 2 weeks
20mg last 2 weeks
Thanks.
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IF someone is going to dive into the deep end and use Trenbolone in their very first ever cycle, then I would approve of that cycle layout. With this being said, however, I do not approve of Trenbolone use for a first ever cycle lol.
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Hey Atomini
I decided the first week of november to give your "trenbolone as primary anabolic" idea a try. Ive had 4 other tren cycles before and was very happy about them.
So far it has been quite the succes. I'm training for strenght, and the increase in both power and mass is very noticable.
My current schema was
800 mg trenbolone enathate, each week, all 10 weeks
250mg sustanon, each week, all 10 weeks
40mg dianabol(for kick), each day, first 4 weeks
Halfway currently and increased 1rm for squat and deadlift with 50 kilograms, and bench with 20 kilograms.
usually in tren cycles i experience a slight dropback in power when going off the dianabol, but havent noticed anything yet.
Furthermore, 250mg testosterone blend works just fine for keeping normal sexual functions.
Only problem i currently encounter, is anorgasmia, caused by elevated levels op prolactine, because in my country i cant get cabergoline, wich is kinda frustrating.
I'm only halfway, but allready my gains are far superior then any cycle i did before. I wonder where what improvement i'll have made when i ended it.
Thanks for the great info !
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Excellent, great feedback and I am very pleased to hear your positive results!
In response to your anorgasmia issue, if you can't get a hold of Pramipexole or Cabergoline in your country, you can try vitamin B6. Look back through this thread or do a search function in this thread and you'll find the dosing guidelines for vitamin B6 to control prolactin and the studies conducted with it. I believe 600mg per day (split into two separate doses). The only issue with B6 is that excessive doses for prolonged periods can cause nerve damage and other problems in the body, this is why B6 for prolactin is not always my first advice for people. It's usually no big concern when using it at this dose for Prolactin control, but it is something everyone should be aware of.
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Oh allright, i'll try that instead then. Should i use it for the remaining 5+2 weeks, or less considering the sides ?
One thing i wanted to add about results from the cycle :
Acnee, still relatively low. got a cycle support with N-acetyl cysteinne and silymarin ready just in case.
Bloodpressure : since i train with 350mg asperine, not a real issue.
heath generation : Its freezing point temperature here, yet i have no problems running around in kneehigh shorts and a sweater/jacket. when i exert myself, i get a very warm feeling in my cheecks,who turn red in the progress. I consider it to be a good side effect.
Irritation : wel its a little higher then on 600mg, but to be honest, since this is the 4th time tren, its something i got used to.
and
Recovery : this is amazing. twice i have an injury to a rotator cuff, that hurted pretty bad troughout the day, but twice it got healed completely in 6 days time. as in no pain and no powerloss when 3rm benchpressing. I remember in an offperiod 1 year ago, i had the same injuries, and it took weeks to heal properly.
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Take a look at this link
muscle-health-fitness.com/prolactin-inhibitor.html
This is a superb rundown on the use of B6 and notes that certain types of B6 are ineffective in lowering prolactin- specifically Pyrodoxine Hydrochloride (which is the basis of many B6 supplements). The use of P5P instead is supposed to eliminate any issues with potential nerve damage from high doses.
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Thanks alot for the vitamin B6 advice !
I had my package on tueday evening.
Been taking 600mg/day in 3 diffrent doses
-200mg in the morning
-200mg when i get home from collegue
-200mg right before i go to sleep
As of this wednesday evening, I can confirm the anorgasmia issue is entirely gone. I didnt quite xpect it to work so fast tbh.
Should i keep on doing 600mg/day untill the end of the cycle, or lay it off for now, and restart the B6 when the problem reoccurs ?
thanks again !
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That is some incredible feedback on how fast B6 works to reduce Hyperprolactinemia, thanks for sharing that with us. What I would suggest now is that you keep taking B6, but simply reduce the dose. I don't believe B6 in high doses for extended periods of time is a good thing for the body, so consider your 600mg/day to be the initial 'shock' dose that reduces your high Prolactin levels. After that, try only consuming maybe 200mg daily of B6.
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few more questions.....
1) Thoughts on running deca with tren?
2) highest tren dose you would recommend?
3) does tren dose need to be increased every cycle? say for example 50mg ed for first cycle....would you recommend 60mg ed for new cycle then 70mg ed for 3rd tren cycle and so on?.......will you still gain on same dose for next cycle?
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AR-R doesn't seem to have Caber anymore, any other research supply companies that you would recommend?
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AR-R never had Caber to begin with. It's also against forum rules to give out, exchange, and discuss other research chem sources on the open forum.
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ooh my bad Atomini, I didn't know that applied to research chems
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A few questions Atomini.
1 - I don't yet have my prami is it ok to start tren and start the prami the following week (its on the way to me now) so should be here within a few days time. Will start ASAP it arrives....
2 - If I notice possible gyno sides from too much estrogen is it wise to increase aromasin dose? Currently on 12.5mg ED.... I know some people jump to letro but can I just increase my aromasin dosage (if need be).
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1 - Never start any cycle without having everything you need in your possession. Sure, you can go ahead and start while something is on its way but you'll look like an idiot if something happens within the first week (or if your item's arrival is delayed in the mail for whatever reason, and now you've started your cycle and start to lactate from Prolactin - you're screwed). It is common sense to wait to have everything before you start, and there are many horror stories you can easily find on this forum of people too impatient to wait before ALL of their ancillaries arrive.
2. Yes, it is actually the preferred protocol to increase your AI dose rather than start a new AI if you get gyno symptoms. Aromasin is a pretty strong AI, so increasing to a full 25mg ED dose if gyno symptoms appear is a good way to control estrogen in order to take care of the gyno.
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Ok thanks for the reply.
A question about competing should I stop test 2 weeks before the show but continue using tren only right up until I compete? I heard this is common to do.......? then straight into PCT.... or should i stop both test and tren before the comp or should i stay on both of them right up until day of comp...?
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I've never heard of this practice of stopping the Test while continuing Tren, it doesn't sound like a good idea. You should ideally remain on both right into the competition, as both compounds (the Tren especially) should bring out hardness and vascularity. You will want to totally eliminate Estrogen by the time the competition comes around though, so have an AI ready to do that. The last thing you want is Test bloating you up on the day of the competition. The practice of dropping the Test and continuing the Tren in the midst of competition is probably an old outdated practice before Aromatase Inhibitors were widely used (due to the bloating issue).
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Kind of a broad question but if using Test E and Tren A together, would you have to wait until the forth week of Test use before starting the Tren due to the difference in esters?
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Nope, you can start both of them right off the bat. It's just an issue of convenience and timing your shots. Test E and Tren E just go well together because you can load them into the same syringe and just shoot at the same time on the same schedule. It's not as easy when you're running an E and an A.
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I am on my third cycle of test cyp and will be starting tren e shortly. Is there any problem with starting a super small amount to test drive for problems? You mentioned first timers starting at 250mg ew 2 100mg of test. Just curious on how I am to layer tren e into my cycle. Thanks! Awesome post and great info.
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What is this 'super small amount' you speak of?
You're not the first person to come to me inquiring about this 'testing the waters' procedure. A lot of people do it, and I think its because you and everyone who wants to do this is just very scared of Trenbolone from all of the things you've read. A perfect beginners dose is Tren Ace at 300-400mg weekly. Done. If you use 300mg/week and find the sides to be really REALLY bad and untolerable, then you can easily stop, and with the Acetate ester it will be out of your system in a matter of days. Usually though, people won't have extreme sides at 300mg weekly. So I don't think you have too much to worry about.
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Thanks for the quick response. Fear is not the issue, I was merely seeing if there was any validity in increasing the dosage slowly to ascertain a stoping point for controlling any side effects. No worries. I will go ahead and start with 250mg ew and will keep this updated about my experience if that is cool. I am going to go ahead and try the tren e and just deal with whatever comes my way. On an aside I also have some prim that I am willing to try either with test or as a layered stack with prim, tren and test. I read that list you posted about your dlist of aas and thought I would just ask to see if you have any experience with the combination. Or also would it just be a better idea to try prim before cycling tren?
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I've never tried that combination, but i've done very similar cycles that come close to it (Test/Tren/Anavar and Test/Tren/Turinabol). Depends what your Primo dosage is going to be. My Test/Tren/Anavar cycle was 100mg/200mg/700mg weekly, and Test/Tren/Turinabol was 400mg/400mg/490mg weekly. If your Primo dose is too low, the Trenbolone tends to dwarf it due to its sheer strength.
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Looks like a solid cycle to me. Just a reminder that starting PCT 3 days after Testosterone Propionate has been terminated is inadequate. You should wait at least 6 days seeing as though Propionate's half life is 48 hours (2 days) and by the 3rd day, there is still a significant amount of the hormone still in your system. I don't know where people are getting these 'PCT should begin 3 days afterwards for Prop' ideas.
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Alright thanks alot ! You think I should take test-e or test prop ?
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Prop is the more common choice with Tren Ace because it makes dosing convenient, you can inject them together, etc. but you can also use Enanthate, it is just less convenient. I personally prefer Prop.
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Thanks brotha
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Also how should i dose the Test Prop?
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When running tren e instead of tren a would you start the caber at the beginning of your cycle or wait a couple of weeks due to the ester of the tren?
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Start it right away.
Think about it, would you start an AI 2 weeks into a cycle where you're using Testosterone Enanthate just because of the longer ester? That's a really bad idea, because as soon as the body detects supraphysiological levels of aromatizable anabolic steroids in the body, it begins to aromatize it. Be safe instead of sorry.
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That is up to you. I can't spoonfeed you that kind of information. That's the ideea of the Trenbolone post I made, with guidelines of using Testosterone at TRT doses while on cycle, or it is up to you if you want to use trditional doses of 400+mg per week.
"Even sexier than Siggy"
Just getting around to this thread now, was away for a while. Awesome go-to guide and Im glad its a sticky... Always something I wanted to write but I dont have the patience for it, nor this much experience. Over the last year and a half Ive noticed that every 140lb kid trying to add 40lbs in one cycle has let their dealer convince them that Tren is the only way to go for a first cycle cause "thats what all the freak Pro's use.. you want to be a freak dont you?".
Ran into a 19 year old kid who was bragging to me about getting on his first cycle of 50mg/ED Dbol, Test @ 500 and 750 Tren En. Other than being jealous of his cashflow, I told him to save a bit of coin and pick out what he wants written on his headstone. *** and no, Im not insinuating that he would die from this cycle, but this mentality repeated over and over does not make for a healthy lifestyle***
And I REALLY like this part...
If you're taking Tren, LET IT DO THE WORK!!!
Most beautiful cycle I ever witness was 250/wk Test E & 350/wk Tren E.
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Excellent post, KPO! I've missed having you around the forum and I totally agree with you on what you've just said. I mentioned this in another thread recently, but i'll say it again (especially for anyone who will be reading this): I may be a big fan of Trenbolone, and I may have a lot of experience with it - but I will never reccomend or suggest its use to anyone, especially if they are a novice or even an intermediate AAS user. You will never EVER find me telling someone to use Trenbolone for any reason, and you will never find me telling someone "sure, its cool to use Trenbolone in your first cycle" when some kid presents me with a cycle plan/outline for their very first ever cycle and it includes Trenbolone in it. I will give advise as to its proper use if someone asks me or posts about it, but I will never say "yeah, USE TREN!". The fact of the matter is that Trenbolone IS a dangerous compound when not understood or used properly, and I have seen just far too many people that throw doses of Tren around like it's child's play and treat its strength like its Primobolan or something. There is a reason (actually, there are MANY reasons) as to why Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid not approved for human use or used at all by the medical establishment, and that says a lot about something.
The minute someone underestimates, disrespects, and treats Trenbolone lightly like it's child's play is the minute they've met the grim reaper. The nice slow onset grim reaper.
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Everyone always says Tren actively burns fat..... is this true?
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The short answer is: NO.
The long answer is: all anabolic steroids have an ever so slight fat metabolizing effect, due to the existence of androgen receptors on fat cells that when activated by androgens, initiate lipolysis. The problem is that this doesn't occur in any significant measure with any anabolic steroid. The majority of the "fat loss" people claim to see with anabolic steroids (especially VERY androgenic/anabolic ones such as Trenbolone) is not due to this feature, but is instead due in larger part to the nutrient partitioning effect that all anabolic steroids exhibit. It's through this nutrient partitioning that anabolic steroids work - this is what they DO, it's how they work and how they allow you to grow muscle faster and larger with their use. They influence the body to shuttle more nutrients you consume towards the muscles and muscle growth than towards fat storage. It is well understood that Trenbolone possesses a far greater nutrient partitioning effect on the body than does any other anabolic steroid due to its incredible strength. This is why Trenbolone is used in cattle for the purpose of increased feed efficiency to favor higher ratios of lean mass with lower ratios of fat. It is also used in cattle for lean mass retention while the animals are in transit to the slaughterhouse, where they may not be fed very much during this time. This is why your steaks and porkchops come out leaner and are more plentiful and cheaper in the grocery store.
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just came off my tren, going to miss feeling like a god.
even running just 350 a week, was great sides were minimal. Aggression was nil, blood pressure due to cialis was in check. Heart rate was extremly high, girls i was with all was asking me why my heart was beating so fast lol. insomnia was nil, Night sweats were bad on the final 2 weeks when i got lazy and started injecting eod. When i was pinning daily i was pretty much fine. The final weeks of nights sweats i got really ****ed up my mattress, it was like bad, pillow case could ring out and have water come out... stopped prami after one week and went bareback prolactin. No change in nipples, no deca dick. Mind you it takes me an hour to cum with a hot blonde if i cum at all. facial and chest acne wasnt BAD but i didnt have pimples before. back acne didnt change and got a couple of cyst like pimples in my delts that were gross.
*Strength was great.
* recovery didnt change
* central nervous system was fatigued
* growth i didnt blow up by any means, but half way through the tren, i hit a wall with myostatin and calories, my gradual weekly increase stalled, and from what i played with i was looking at having to add at least another 1500 calories , yes 1500 daily to peak and push through this stall. and no it wasn't figured out by a website, through actual eating.
* because of job loss and stress of family event i mentally took a hit and couldn't afford 300 a week on food, instead i cut protein way back to 150-200 a day and went from cycling 50/50/50/120 carbs a day to eating unlimited carbs. so in turn i didn't gain much more then 3lbs on tren but this was at the tail end of a long cycle were gains slow down to a snails pace, but i managed to keep my abs visible, stay below 8% body fat and eat a very high carb/gluten based diet and felt great doing so and visual body recomp changes.. im not sure at all if the tren contributed to this or not. oh and i stopped all cardio while running tren.
Bottom line even at a low dose like i ran, with quality product i was able to achieve alot. i forgot to get another vial so i cut the tren short to only 6 weeks instead of 8 but i was happy with what i got from it and in 2 months i can run a 8 weeker then. Quality product, mentally prepared and dialed in diet along with the up most respect for this drug and i think you are gtg. I have a feeling a lot of people giving advice on tren, haven't even used it. Read this thread over and over. Good info here on how to do it right, trust me Ive done tren wrong before, wasn't fun.
Thanks atomini, for all your help on the forums and in PM's
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