Hey!! CHECK THIS GUY OUT!!(movie)

[SVC]

2.5 years

To get big and ripped. Why else?

21.

No. At 5'11" i'm cool with my height.
No.

Yes. Friend of mine got gynecomastia from using anadiol, a horse steriod. It's a test e, estrogen mix. I blame his ignorance.
Yes I'm very open about my steriod use.
The bulk for my research are from the pages of AR.
My test was human grade. On the other hand i had to trust my source at the time.
Yes I made it from the cattle implants.
"Off" for well over 2 years now.
Tri's, bi's, delt and glutes.
Never have never will.

Thanks Big! now Big C from NYC is the Last of Mohican tight lipped Mo Fo's

[SVC]

Victory pie. I have a weakness for key lime or blueberry cranberry. I'm not big on pizza.

I used to crave and dream about eating crap I didn't even like when I was dieting for contests... after the contest, I'd eat it and say "I can't believe I was dreaming about this cake, it tastes like dirt..."

When ever I was tempted to cheat on the diet I would imagine hearing... "in 5th place from..."

[seanw]

Where is MBH? I'm not getting my Recommended Daily Allowance of Sh*t

LMAO

[Decakur]

Great post everyone..

[GymDog]

...but everyone I know that has juiced has had an injury of some sort - from muscle tears to shoulder surgeries, correlation?

Man, that's the most ignorant load of **** I've ever heard. Injuries result from going too heavy or improper form, or a combination of the two. I've done 5 cycles, and will be starting my 6th in March. I'm 6'0" 250 lbs, and have NEVER suffered a permanent injury. Yeah, I've strained muscles and overworked my body before, but you don't have to juice to do that...

[Decakur]

Man, that's the most ignorant load of **** I've ever heard. Injuries result from going too heavy or improper form, or a combination of the two. I've done 5 cycles, and will be starting my 6th in March. I'm 6'0" 250 lbs, and have NEVER suffered a permanent injury. Yeah, I've strained muscles and overworked my body before, but you don't have to juice to do that...

Good Point there! What is your bodyFAT?

[GymDog]

Good Point there! What is your bodyFAT?

roughly 6-7%.

[GymDog]

I've tried to answer all of your questions. If possible, I'd appreciate it if you could answer the following (email me: [email protected] or send me a private message in here or post your answers.

1) How long did you train naturally prior to taking AS?

Three years. Went from 155 to 195 naturally.

2) What were the main reasons you started using AS?

I turned to steroids only because I couldn't gain anymore, regardless of whether I adjusted my routine or diet. As a matter of fact, I gained 40 lbs in the first 2 years, and then spent a year stuck at the same weight. I wanted to be much bigger, and steroids were the only way.

3) How old were you when you started using AS?

21 years old.

4) Were you aware that you keep growing in height until you're 23 and that taking steroids prior can stunt your growth and lead to other problems down the road prior to starting your first cycle?

Can I ask you a question? Who the hell feeds you that fragmented and misinformed crap? A person's growth plates don't close at the same age. Maybe one person's plates fuse @ 20, while some may not fuse until 25. I know for a fact that I had been done growing years ago, because as a child I suffered from a growth hormone deficiency, so I was treated from ages 6-17 with Human Growth Hormone, one of the many drugs you were bashing in that speech of yours. Throughout my development, doctors x-rayed my hands to check the spacing in my growth plates. At age 17, they took me off HGH because they told me the x-rays showed my growth plates had closed, and treatment was no longer needed. What's funny is, until recently, doctors didn't know that a person could be deficient in growth hormone levels even as an adult. Next month, I will be seeing my endocrinologist and he will test my GH levels. If they are below normal, I will be prescribed HGH for the rest of my life. I've got my fingers crossed...

5) Do you experience any side effects while you're on AS? (i.e. acne, hair loss, oily skin, increased blood pressure, heart arrhythmia, joint pain, mood swings, elevation in cholesterol, liver enzyme elevation...)

Acne? Yes. Hair loss? No, I am not genetically predisposed to it. oily skin? Yes. elevated blood pressure? NO, I donate plasma sometimes twice a week (when I'm not cycling), and they always perform a blood pressure test before extracting my plasma. Whether I was on or off, my BP never fluctuated. Heart arrythmia? Nope. As a matter of fact, a doctor told me 3 weeks ago that my heart was very healthy. Joint Pain? Believe it or not, nope. I'm a firm believer in strict form, and form is where most injuries occur. Mood swings? None that I or my fiancee have noticed. At least no more than I did before using AAS! I had urine & bloodwork done a couple weeks ago and my liver & kidneys are good, as well as my cholesterol levels are in check.

6) Do you personally know anyone who has experienced severe side effects? If so, what were their side effects?

I have a buddy who thought it was a good idea to cycle for 8 months straight. I'm sure as a result he's got other underlying problems, but the only thing he's complained about is frequent urination, likely as a result of his prostate enlarging, as some BB'ers experience. He's recovering though, as an enlarged prostate is easily treatable. I've heard no problems from my other "chemically-enhanced" friends, because we all use AAS responsibly...and we stay away from lifting 200 lbs using only our necks...

7) Do your parents know you're using AS? Have they asked if you were?

No, they don't. I'm a mature, independent adult, and my parents no longer need to look out for my personal welfare. No, they respect me enough to not ask. It would be one thing bringing steroids into my parents' house, but I'm grown and will be married soon. I'm living my own life. They're living their own lives too.

8) Did you research AS prior to starting your first cycle? If so, where did you do this research (where did you get your information?)

Yes, for 2 years. I wanted to be sure I was as informed as possible to make the rational decision on using or not using steroids. I did all my research online, this board being the one responsible for a larger portion of my steroid education.

9) Did you purchase your AS on the black market? If so, how can you be sure it was real and how can you be sure of the sterility of it?

Yes, with the exception of my first two cycles, I bought it in powder form, converted, and filtered it myself. Never had an absess, even when I did cycles with everyday injections. How can I tell if the stuf is real? I dunno, maybe in 2 years, I blew up to 250 lbs. I dunno. Do you think my **** was real? BTW, I know my AAS was sterile because I boil all my bottles 3 times to ensure any bacteria or other contaminants are destroyed.

10) If you've used TREN or FINAJECT did you make your own?

Ha! I've converted and injected Tren for all my cycles except for my first one and my most recent one.

11) How long do you go off AS between cycles?

Time on = Time off. If I run a 10 week cycle, I take off 10 weeks. If I run a 15 week cycle, I take off 15 weeks.

12) Where do you inject yourself? (i.e. glutes, quads, shoulders...)

My first cycle, I did glutes only. Every cycle thereafter, I rotated biceps, pecs, delts, and sometimes glutes.

13) Have you ever used synthol to temporarily enlarge your muscles? If so, how much oil did you inject and where?

I have never, nor would I ever touch that crap. Only retards use synthol...

[Carlos_E]

When ever I was tempted to cheat on the diet I would imagine hearing... "in 5th place from..."

During contest prep whenever I had a craving I wrote it down on a "list of things to eat after the contest." My list was 2 pages long but I never cheated my contest diet so it worked. I ate maybe 6 things on the list after the show was over.

[Decakur]

When ever I was tempted to cheat on the diet I would imagine hearing... "in 5th place from..."

Thats ****ing amazing bro..

[SVC]

Can I ask you a question? Who the hell feeds you that fragmented and misinformed crap? A person's growth plates don't close at the same age. Maybe one person's plates fuse @ 20, while some may not fuse until 25. I know for a fact that I had been done growing years ago, because as a child I suffered from a growth hormone deficiency, so I was treated from ages 6-17 with Human Growth Hormone, one of the many drugs you were bashing in that speech of yours. Throughout my development, doctors x-rayed my hands to check the spacing in my growth plates. At age 17, they took me off HGH because they told me the x-rays showed my growth plates had closed, and treatment was no longer needed. What's funny is, until recently, doctors didn't know that a person could be deficient in growth hormone levels even as an adult. Next month, I will be seeing my endocrinologist and he will test my GH levels. If they are below normal, I will be prescribed HGH for the rest of my life. I've got my fingers crossed...

[SVC]

Can I ask you a question? Who the hell feeds you that fragmented and misinformed crap? A person's growth plates don't close at the same age. Maybe one person's plates fuse @ 20, while some may not fuse until 25. I know for a fact that I had been done growing years ago, because as a child I suffered from a growth hormone deficiency, so I was treated from ages 6-17 with Human Growth Hormone, one of the many drugs you were bashing in that speech of yours. Throughout my development, doctors x-rayed my hands to check the spacing in my growth plates. At age 17, they took me off HGH because they told me the x-rays showed my growth plates had closed, and treatment was no longer needed. What's funny is, until recently, doctors didn't know that a person could be deficient in growth hormone levels even as an adult. Next month, I will be seeing my endocrinologist and he will test my GH levels. If they are below normal, I will be prescribed HGH for the rest of my life. I've got my fingers crossed...


My point was that taking steroids at too young an age can cause premature closure of the epiphysial plates. Average kids don't suffer from a growth hormone deficiency as a child like you did, so obviously your case is different from most kids...

Did you watch the video closely? Did you listen closely? Was I bashing dwarfs for taking GH? No, I wasn't. I was bashing Crescormin (1985 GH) when it was extracted from human pituitaries and later it was discovered many of the batches were contaminated with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (human mad cow disease). I was also bashing athletes that use so much GH & insulin that all their internal organs grow and they develop huge, aesthetically unpleasing, distended guts.

I hope this clears some things up...

Good luck in the future

[SVC]

Three years. Went from 155 to 195 naturally.

I turned to steroids only because I couldn't gain anymore, regardless of whether I adjusted my routine or diet. As a matter of fact, I gained 40 lbs in the first 2 years, and then spent a year stuck at the same weight. I wanted to be much bigger, and steroids were the only way.

21 years old.



Can I ask you a question? Who the hell feeds you that fragmented and misinformed crap? A person's growth plates don't close at the same age. Maybe one person's plates fuse @ 20, while some may not fuse until 25. I know for a fact that I had been done growing years ago, because as a child I suffered from a growth hormone deficiency, so I was treated from ages 6-17 with Human Growth Hormone, one of the many drugs you were bashing in that speech of yours. Throughout my development, doctors x-rayed my hands to check the spacing in my growth plates. At age 17, they took me off HGH because they told me the x-rays showed my growth plates had closed, and treatment was no longer needed. What's funny is, until recently, doctors didn't know that a person could be deficient in growth hormone levels even as an adult. Next month, I will be seeing my endocrinologist and he will test my GH levels. If they are below normal, I will be prescribed HGH for the rest of my life. I've got my fingers crossed...




Acne? Yes. Hair loss? No, I am not genetically predisposed to it. oily skin? Yes. elevated blood pressure? NO, I donate plasma sometimes twice a week (when I'm not cycling), and they always perform a blood pressure test before extracting my plasma. Whether I was on or off, my BP never fluctuated. Heart arrythmia? Nope. As a matter of fact, a doctor told me 3 weeks ago that my heart was very healthy. Joint Pain? Believe it or not, nope. I'm a firm believer in strict form, and form is where most injuries occur. Mood swings? None that I or my fiancee have noticed. At least no more than I did before using AAS! I had urine & bloodwork done a couple weeks ago and my liver & kidneys are good, as well as my cholesterol levels are in check.

I have a buddy who thought it was a good idea to cycle for 8 months straight. I'm sure as a result he's got other underlying problems, but the only thing he's complained about is frequent urination, likely as a result of his prostate enlarging, as some BB'ers experience. He's recovering though, as an enlarged prostate is easily treatable. I've heard no problems from my other "chemically-enhanced" friends, because we all use AAS responsibly...and we stay away from lifting 200 lbs using only our necks...



No, they don't. I'm a mature, independent adult, and my parents no longer need to look out for my personal welfare. No, they respect me enough to not ask. It would be one thing bringing steroids into my parents' house, but I'm grown and will be married soon. I'm living my own life. They're living their own lives too.



Yes, for 2 years. I wanted to be sure I was as informed as possible to make the rational decision on using or not using steroids. I did all my research online, this board being the one responsible for a larger portion of my steroid education.




Yes, with the exception of my first two cycles, I bought it in powder form, converted, and filtered it myself. Never had an absess, even when I did cycles with everyday injections. How can I tell if the stuf is real? I dunno, maybe in 2 years, I blew up to 250 lbs. I dunno. Do you think my **** was real? BTW, I know my AAS was sterile because I boil all my bottles 3 times to ensure any bacteria or other contaminants are destroyed.


Ha! I've converted and injected Tren for all my cycles except for my first one and my most recent one.


Time on = Time off. If I run a 10 week cycle, I take off 10 weeks. If I run a 15 week cycle, I take off 15 weeks.

My first cycle, I did glutes only. Every cycle thereafter, I rotated biceps, pecs, delts, and sometimes glutes.

I have never, nor would I ever touch that crap. Only retards use synthol...

My point was that taking steroids at too young an age can cause premature closure of the epiphysial plates. Average kids don't suffer from a growth hormone deficiency as a child like you did, so obviously your case is different from most kids...

Did you watch the video closely? Did you listen closely? Was I bashing dwarfs for taking GH? No, I wasn't. I was bashing Crescormin (1985 GH) when it was extracted from human pituitaries and later it was discovered many of the batches were contaminated with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (human mad cow disease). I was also bashing athletes that use so much GH & insulin that all their internal organs grow and they develop huge, aesthetically unpleasing, distended guts.

I hope this clears some things up...

Good luck in the future

[SVC]

I was trying to respond to his statement... see below

[DADDYDBOL]

I've tried to answer all of your questions. If possible, I'd appreciate it if you could answer the following (email me: [email protected] or send me a private message in here or post your answers.

1) How long did you train naturally prior to taking AS? from age 15 to 25
2) What were the main reasons you started using AS? to gain mass
3) How old were you when you started using AS? 25
4) Were you aware that you keep growing in height until you're 23 and that taking steroids prior can stunt your growth and lead to other problems down the road prior to starting your first cycle? yes, and i agree with you on that5) Do you experience any side effects while you're on AS? (i.e. acne, hair loss, oily skin, increased blood pressure, heart arrhythmia, joint pain, mood swings, elevation in cholesterol, liver enzyme elevation...) mild acne and high bp6) Do you personally know anyone who has experienced severe side effects? If so, what were their side effects? yes, gyno
7) Do your parents know you're using AS? Have they asked if you were? my entire family knows8) Did you research AS prior to starting your first cycle? If so, where did you do this research (where did you get your information?) yes, old timers (bbers) and semi pro athletes
9) Did you purchase your AS on the black market? If so, how can you be sure it was real and how can you be sure of the sterility of it? started with vet grade but now use ug's, you don't know thats why there are boards like these to report bad ug's10) If you've used TREN or FINAJECT did you make your own?
11) How long do you go off AS between cycles? time on = time off12) Where do you inject yourself? (i.e. glutes, quads, shoulders...) well with ed tren shots...pretty much everywhere13) Have you ever used synthol to temporarily enlarge your muscles? If so, how much oil did you inject and where? no way!

can i ask you a ?

with regular dr visits and regular bloodwork do you feel its unsafe to use gear?

[Decakur]

SVC That's just amazing..

And also, The HUGE stomage the ATHLETS have today
is because the INSULIN, not GH.
Well, but ofcurse look at Jay Cutlers face, thats because
HIGH input of HGH.. and thats just amazing althought but he's
a nice man and a great athlete.

[SVC]

can i ask you a ?

with regular dr visits and regular bloodwork do you feel its unsafe to use gear?

Thanks for completing the questionnaire.

I think it's safer and wise to get regular blood work and doctor visits while using gear... I always did... My SGOTs never went over 50.

I don't believe all of the possible LONG TERM side effects can be detected in advance.

[DADDYDBOL]

Thanks for completing the questionnaire.

I think it's safer and wise to get regular blood work and doctor visits while using gear... I always did... My SGOTs never went over 50.

I don't believe all of the possible LONG TERM side effects can be detected in advance.

what long term effects? without naming names i know 6 retired pro bbers in mid 40's with no problems what so ever.

[BajanBastard]

what long term effects? without naming names i know 6 retired pro bbers in mid 40's with no problems what so ever.

Wow! That's amazing DADDYDBOL!! Just amazing!

Hey SVC on the issue of using AAS too young, i agree with you that teens (15-19) should wait but the growth plate closure is a little over rated IMO. This is an extract from the nursing 2003 handbook in regards to nandrolone administration in children. "In children during treatment, bone maturation may proceed more rapidly than linear growth periodically review x-ray results to monitor bone maturation". That does not sound like a very sudden reaction to me.

[Decakur]

hey big.. you are not making fun of me? amazing althougth..

[BajanBastard]

hey big.. you are not making fun of me? amazing althougth..

You are cracking me up! You are amazing bro.

[SVC]

what long term effects? without naming names i know 6 retired pro bbers in mid 40's with no problems what so ever.

I'm sure there's 6 lifetime smokers that haven't died but there's 500,000 smokers that do die every year...

Remember I've always stated this COULD happen not this WILL DEFINITELY HAPPEN...

There's lots that have had problems... guys you've never heard of because they weren't pros - but some were...

[SVC]

Wow! That's amazing DADDYDBOL!! Just amazing!

Hey SVC on the issue of using AAS too young, i agree with you that teens (15-19) should wait but the growth plate closure is a little over rated IMO. This is an extract from the nursing 2003 handbook in regards to nandrolone administration in children. "In children during treatment, bone maturation may proceed more rapidly than linear growth periodically review x-ray results to monitor bone maturation". That does not sound like a very sudden reaction to me.

We could debate the premature closure of the epiphysial plates forever and there's conflicting data on the subject...

I have some questions for you big k.l.g and others

1) Do you agree that a normal teenager's body produces lots of natural GH & Test?
2) If your answer is yes, why would any teenager consider taking AS?
3) Big K.L.G., I believe in one of your earlier statements you claimed it was unnecessary to cycle off to allow your body to normalize itself. If you believe that to be true, is it then necessary to take more AS in future cycles to get any kind of additional growth?

I used to notice, after going off for 6 months, I would explode when I went back on again, while guys that stayed on were stagnant.

[SVC]

what long term effects? without naming names i know 6 retired pro bbers in mid 40's with no problems what so ever.

I'll see your 6 and raise you 76 (and please don't take the MBH approach and write "Sonny Schmidt smoked a joint in 76 so that contributed..."

Sonny Schmidt died at 46
Scott Klein died at 30
Ron Teufel died at 45
Mike Mentzer died at 49
Ray Mentzer died at 47
Don Ross died at 55
Dr. John Tristany died
Don Peters died
Don Long (kidney failure)
Flex Wheeler (kidney transplant)
Ed Corney (stroke)
Boyer Coe (heart)
Danny Padilla (heart)
Pete Grymkowski (heart)

62 Finnish power-lifters suspected of using steroids died at a rate five times higher than average

[Carlos_E]

And also, The HUGE stomage the ATHLETS have today
is because the INSULIN, not GH.

Says who? It's from GH causing the internal organs to grow. Some of the things you say is just AMAZING!

[BajanBastard]

[QUOTE=SVC]We could debate the premature closure of the epiphysial plates forever and there's conflicting data on the subject...

I have some questions for you big k.l.g and others

1) Do you agree that a normal teenager's body produces lots of natural GH & Test?.

Yes. That is why young teens don't need drugs.

2) If your answer is yes, why would any teenager consider taking AS?.

Because they believe drugs can replace solid training and diet. JMO.

Big K.L.G., I believe in one of your earlier statements you claimed it was unnecessary to cycle off to allow your body to normalize itself. If you believe that to be true, is it then necessary to take more AS in future cycles to get any kind of additional growth?

I NEVER said it was not necessary to cycle off drugs. You said that AR need to be "cleaned out". I corrected that claim.

I used to notice, after going off for 6 months, I would explode when I went back on again, while guys that stayed on were stagnant.

Other factors are involved higher SHBG, the inablity to consume enough calories etc but yes you are right drugs are best cycled.

[Decakur]

Says who? It's from GH causing the internal organs to grow. Some of the things you say is just AMAZING!

althougth.. the pro's sure have internal organs big.
but the main reason is the insulin and the IGF-1.
Do a little research and you will find the answear why insulin
do that.

sure amazing bro

[Decakur]

SVC i looked at the movie once again and i must say that the
pics on the gut side triceps shot and where you say that you
have done "a couple of cycles" it sure dosent look like you in the
face man, and that freaks me out.

Is it really you? or is it bull**** -propaganda?
If it was you, amazing.. just amazing bro.

Nice legs

[BajanBastard]

I always knew GH to be the culprit. Slin could also be a factor tho.

[SVC]

what long term effects? without naming names i know 6 retired pro bbers in mid 40's with no problems what so ever.

DUNT, DUNT, ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST...
MIKE MATARAZZO HAD OPEN HEART SURGERY
(I just copied the info below from Bodybuilding.com - check out the mentality of this genius who posted this - he's bragging about not caring if he dies and the fact that he's squatting 405 for 1 weighing 240. I could squat 405 for 1 when I weighed 150 and I was natural.

Mike Matarazzo had heart surgery underwent triple bypass heart surgery on Wednesday

flexonline has the story

http://www.flexonline.com/news/71
__________________
I don't care if i die, as long as i get buried in a big box

99% of your life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, YOU SUCK

6'0
240

Db Incline Bench 100's for sets of 6
Squat 405 for 1
Deadlift 425 for 4
Leg Press 1005 for 1

BETA PSI PSI
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[Money Boss Hustla]

Thanks for filling out the questionnaire Narkissos & Sean W. It would really be "AMAZING" if CARLOS E, BIG K.L.G. & M.B.H. filled out questionnaires.

Answer my posts now!

I've tried to answer all of your questions. If possible, I'd appreciate it if you could answer the following (email me: [email protected] or send me a private message in here or post your answers.


1) How long did you train naturally prior to taking AS? ~24y
2) What were the main reasons you started using AS? Wanted to
3) How old were you when you started using AS? ~24y
4) Were you aware that you keep growing in height until you're 23 and that taking steroids prior can stunt your growth and lead to other problems down the road prior to starting your first cycle? Yes
5) Do you experience any side effects while you're on AS? (i.e. acne, hair loss, oily skin, increased blood pressure, heart arrhythmia, joint pain, mood swings, elevation in cholesterol, liver enzyme elevation...) Nothing major
6) Do you personally know anyone who has experienced severe side effects? If so, what were their side effects? Nothing major
7) Do your parents know you're using AS? Have they asked if you were? No
8) Did you research AS prior to starting your first cycle? If so, where did you do this research (where did you get your information?) Yes. Books, BB'ers, Internet
9) Did you purchase your AS on the black market? If so, how can you be sure it was real and how can you be sure of the sterility of it? HG from factory
10) If you've used TREN or FINAJECT did you make your own? Made own and baked
11) How long do you go off AS between cycles? Too long
12) Where do you inject yourself? (i.e. glutes, quads, shoulders...) All over
13) Have you ever used synthol to temporarily enlarge your muscles? If so, how much oil did you inject and where? No

[Money Boss Hustla]

DUNT, DUNT, ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST...
MIKE MATARAZZO HAD OPEN HEART SURGERY
(I just copied the info below from Bodybuilding.com - check out the mentality of this genius who posted this - he's bragging about not caring if he dies and the fact that he's squatting 405 for 1 weighing 240. I could squat 405 for 1 when I weighed 150 and I was natural.

Mike Matarazzo had heart surgery underwent triple bypass heart surgery on Wednesday

flexonline has the story

http://www.flexonline.com/news/71

Extreme case once again. Let's see some data on the average Joe Blow user.

[Jackman]

holy crap i just took an hour to read this **** thing.

[Decakur]

holy crap i just took an hour to read this **** thing.

man it is all worth it, good job

[SVC]

Extreme case once again. Let's see some data on the average Joe Blow user.

There is no such data available. That's my point exactly. Has there ever been a study on the long term effects of Anabolic Steroids on healthy individuals? None that I'm aware of. That's why many of you are relying on each other for info (blind leading the blind if you will).

How would you ever hear about it if Joe Blow who lives in East Cupcake USA had problems from AS? You wouldn't. Think they'd broadcast it on CNN?

Look at how many pros and former pros are developing problems now.

Let's face it, you're going to believe what you want to believe.

If you do have problems down the road, please have the balls to admit it to others...

[SVC]

Answer my posts now!

thanks for completing the questionnaire

[GymDog]

My point was that taking steroids at too young an age can cause premature closure of the epiphysial plates. Average kids don't suffer from a growth hormone deficiency as a child like you did, so obviously your case is different from most kids...

Understandable, but you were coming off with the opinion that 23 is the age for ALL people's growth plates to close, and anyone who juiced any younger than 23 was "robbing" them of linear growth. I'm actually surprised though that I haven't suffered any serious problems from my HGH treatment as a child, since I was put on it when docs didn't know what the proper doses were, and for the last few years of my treatment, I was literally shooting 100 iu's (yes, that's 1cc of HGH) everyday. This is what dose they prescribed for me to take. My little brother has the same problem (must be a sex-linked genetic trait found on the X chromosome), but docs have him on a much lower dosage, somewhere around 6-10iu's a day (can't remember the exact number).

Did you watch the video closely? Did you listen closely? Was I bashing dwarfs for taking GH? No, I wasn't. I was bashing Crescormin (1985 GH) when it was extracted from human pituitaries and later it was discovered many of the batches were contaminated with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (human mad cow disease). I was also bashing athletes that use so much GH & insulin that all their internal organs grow and they develop huge, aesthetically unpleasing, distended guts.

Yes I did. No you weren't, but you must understand that if I get prescribed HGH for the rest of my life, I'm not gonna run it at their recommended dosage of around 1-2iu's/day, but rather more like 4-5iu's/day, maybe 6. Yeah, luckily I didn't get put on HGH until 1987, when synthetic HGH was developed. I also agree with you about that gortesque belly some bb'ers sport. I have used insulin in the past, but if I get prescribed HGH for life, I'll probably never touch it again, for fear that I would risk my internal organs growing, along with any other associated risks. The reason why I made a remark about that, is I probably won't run the doctor-prescribed dosage...at least not for a few years. Don't forget that bb'ers that are also diabetic get an unfair advantage, as well as any male on HRT. If they are bb'ers, chances are they won't use the doctor-prescribed doses for anything. I know I wouldn't, but that's just me...

[GymDog]

Look at how many pros and former pros are developing problems now.

Yeah, and many (if not all of them) juiced year-round and never cycled off. That's just asking for trouble.

[SVC]

Understandable, but you were coming off with the opinion that 23 is the age for ALL people's growth plates to close, and anyone who juiced any younger than 23 was "robbing" them of linear growth. I'm actually surprised though that I haven't suffered any serious problems from my HGH treatment as a child, since I was put on it when docs didn't know what the proper doses were, and for the last few years of my treatment, I was literally shooting 100 iu's (yes, that's 1cc of HGH) everyday. This is what dose they prescribed for me to take. My little brother has the same problem (must be a sex-linked genetic trait found on the X chromosome), but docs have him on a much lower dosage, somewhere around 6-10iu's a day (can't remember the exact number).



Yes I did. No you weren't, but you must understand that if I get prescribed HGH for the rest of my life, I'm not gonna run it at their recommended dosage of around 1-2iu's/day, but rather more like 4-5iu's/day, maybe 6. Yeah, luckily I didn't get put on HGH until 1987, when synthetic HGH was developed. I also agree with you about that gortesque belly some bb'ers sport. I have used insulin in the past, but if I get prescribed HGH for life, I'll probably never touch it again, for fear that I would risk my internal organs growing, along with any other associated risks. The reason why I made a remark about that, is I probably won't run the doctor-prescribed dosage...at least not for a few years. Don't forget that bb'ers that are also diabetic get an unfair advantage, as well as any male on HRT. If they are bb'ers, chances are they won't use the doctor-prescribed doses for anything. I know I wouldn't, but that's just me...

WOW! 100 iu's a day... your insurance company must hate you worse than mine That was costing them some cake! But hey, most insurance companies have 200 billion+ in assets.

What brand did they have you on? Serono Saizon, Lilly Humatrope...?

What are your IGF-1 levels like?

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althougth.. the pro's sure have internal organs big.
but the main reason is the insulin and the IGF-1.
Do a little research and you will find the answear why insulin
do that.

sure amazing bro

Decakur, Please cycle your "amazings" You can say "amazing" on push day Mondays & Thursdays "incredible" on Tues & Fri and "awesome" on Weds & Saturdays SUNDAY DON'T SPEAK OR TYPE