Then please stop.Originally Posted by SVC
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Then please stop.
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Well the body naturally produces tesosterone so it's not going produce somthing it cannot handle. The body does not naturally produce Nicotine and for dam good reasons too.
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OK SVC, I don't now if you have answered this before. Have you had side effects from Steroids,"Not pain killers or rec" THAT by no means could be training related. So do you currenly have blood problems, organs...prostate... The rapid heart beat could be from somthing else you might have played with. Sorry if this sounds rude Just trying to get down to direct points.
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I say again. Long term ill effects from steroid use stems from using the drugs for prolonged periods and not taking care off, high red blood cell count, high blood pressure, cholesterol, liver, kidneys etc and doing this for years. You are asking for an early death if you do.
I'll ask you againIn SVCs defense, he did not have the resources available to us now! So harping on the 13 drugs at once is pointless!
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after watching you vid you said you trained with joint problems, by the sounds of it you made them worse by training through your injuries... correct me if i am wrong but you said something like you couldnt remember you shoulders not hurting. do you have any other health problems that are a result of steroids alone?
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Lemme interject here. Being a perfomance car enthusiast, I can agree with you comparing NO2 to steroids. NO2 doesn't make power, but rather creates a more optimal environment for horsepower. Steroid don't magically make muscle, but the create an optimal environment for muscular hypertrophy. However, I must disagree with you on the dangers of using too much NO2 in a car. First of all, you can flood your engine with a 500hp shot w/o fear of damaging the engine. How? By taking the proper precautions. One must realize that NO2 doesn't directly damage the engine. The reason why engines blow is the more nitrous you run, the more fuel you need, otherwise the air/fuel ratio will be too lean, and will damage the engine. These NO2 horror stories you hear are from dumbasses who don't do their research and run a 250HP DRY SHOT into their stock engine. This is bad for two reasons:
(1)Most car engines manufactured are stock with either cast or hypereutectic pistons, usually with other cast iron internals. These are fine for normal applications, but under the strain of a higher compression ratio or a large amount of horsepower, these parts will suffer imminent failure. Replace those internals with forged aluminum, and you've got a solid engine that can handle lots of abuse.
(2)While computer-controlled cars can compensate for a lean mixture with more fuel, most stock fuel injectors can only flow a limited amount of fuel, and so it can correct the ratio only to a certain degree. Once that threshold is crossed, damage will follow. This can also be easily remedied by putting higher-flowing fuel injectors and a bigger fuel pump in the car.
Another remedy is to go with a "wet" NO2 injection system. A wet system consists of a nitrous line and a fuel line that inject both nitrous and fuel into the block in the proper ratio to ensure pain-free performance. Also, I'd like to note that most nitrous users don't shoot a 500HP shot of NO2. If you spray NO2 at more conservative levels, even as high as 150HP for some engines, you can safely run a dry or wet system that's problem-free.
Steroids are the same way. Think of ancillary drugs and cycling on/off as the same as better engine internals and a higher-flowing fuel system. If you juice 1000mg/wk of Test w/o anti-e's for long periods, then you're asking for trouble. If you take the proper precautions, it's not an issue. Even at a more conservative dose, like 500mg/wk, the risk is lower, and therefore little or no ancillaries are required. You mentioned earlier somewhere that steroids can affect people much like cigarettes do. People might get emphysema or lung cancer in their 40's, but that's because they've been smoking everyday since they were 20. You failed to mention that if you come off cigarettes, those risks are lowered, and given enough time, will be nullified. Also, you don't see smokers cycling on/off. I think anyone who juices year-round is dumb, and anyone who juices year round for several years deserves to die as a result of their own ignorance and stupidity. If a steroid user cycles on/off like they should & takes the proper precautions, and uses more conservative doses, I feel the risks are minimal and negligible. Those risks that are commonly discussed in this thread apply to those who don't take the proper precautions before using steroids and/or those who continue to use steroids without cycling off. That's my .02...
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Do you guys honestly think most people do there steriods properly.
It is not like we can go to the doctor and say-Hay I want to start some juice, can you check my blood and give me the go ahead. And get the stuff from pharmacies so we know exactly what we are taking.
Read just the other week in a paper about the herbs from India- thay contained near leathal amounts of carcinagins and high counts of metals.
now- what do you think are in our steriods from over seas, from countries that hate us in the us. ( sorry got carried away)
I don't know many pro's that cycle or do not bridge with heavy ass ****, or even national leavel people, men and woman. Mabie thay are not dangerous short term or used correctly - but how the hell is to say what is correct useage?
Sorry I my self will get off of the post.
I love this post because look at how many people here finnaly used there brains and did some research. I KNOW NOT MOST BUT MANY
great job guys. Hope we can put this much into other posts
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13 AT ONCE AT VERY LOW DOSES FOR 6 WEEKS & YES I DID NECK RAISES FOR A FEW WEEKS.
IF I DIDN'T MENTION THOSE 2 THINGS IN THE VIDEO, WHAT WOULD MANY OF YOU BE USING TO HUMOR YOURSELF INTO THINKING THERE'S NO CHANCE YOU'LL HAVE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD? Why does almost every other AS user I knew have serious health problems as well? They didn't do "13" or neck raises. Some trained like wimps, used extremely low doses and did short cycles.
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my pic did not get flammed! woot
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Is SVC avoiding my question?
Badass analogy GymDog!
Are you green enough?
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Show a little ass and it might even get bragged up.JK SVC
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[QUOTE=big k.l.g]Is SVC avoiding my question?
Avoiding which question that I've answered 26 times? Have you really been here since the beginning of this thread? This one? (below)
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
So if a gear-head used optimal doses, controlled and monitored BP, watched RBC count and got blood work before during and after every 10-12 week cycle (steriod.com members are encouraged to do so) what are these horrible side effect do you think can occur?
AUTO IMMUNE DISEASES...
BTW I have no affiliation with steroid.com so I'm not quite sure why you keep making reference to it. The only site dealing with AS that I'm connected to, is my site SteroidsViciousCycles.com
Please remember how cocky some of you are acting now when you're f-ed up down the road. If you do end up getting f-ed up, don't be cowards and take a one way trip to a bridge to expedite your dirt nap... Tell the next generation of "KNOW IT ALLs" what you've been through... stick around and suffer for 50 years because you wanted to be jacked for 3.
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Bullshi* name them to me? there could be some but very few. if i can have my friend of mine come on here he'll wake your as* up cause your talking like a dumb***
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[QUOTE=SVC]SVC I'm not acting cocky at all, i asked you a question that i would like an answer to, in detail and why. Just screaming AUTO IMMUNE DISEASES is not going to cut it. Eg there is a bro here who posted in detail how and why maga-dose AAS cycles shorten life span. I would like you to go into detail as well.
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SVC do you have any of these Auto Immune Diseases? Seeing as youve done of of the most wide ranged cycles I've seen I would think it would be you who would know about this first hand.
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that was deep
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But honest
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Yes, I do. A form of arthritis and no family history of it. Another friend and former AS user has MS with no family history of it another Muscular Dystrophy, another has Leukemia...
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A lot of your friends came from the hay day of cocaine too. That Pablo guy in Columbia was really sending over the nose candy in those days.
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I never did Cocaine or any other rec drugs and neither did any of the guys I mentioned... now what's the reason? Could it be the AS we all used? Not in your mind because then you couldn't justify what you're doing...
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I really dont think you are one to educate our future generations. The only reason you are allowed to is because you were a dumbass when doing your AAS and you got ****ed up because of it which has led you to be a "voice" that they (the public) are wiling to listen to, since you have views which are suported by the media... the government... and most of society. It honestly makes me sick to think that you think you are doing our future generations a favor.
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All of the proof that you have provided is anecdotal. That is why you are having trouble convincing "us". You are not seen as independent (as no doubt numerous people here have made you aware). The problem a lot of people are having is seeing your rationale that because you and the other people that you speak of used steriods and are now suffering from various diseases/ailments, that one was the cause of the other instead of other factors/variables.
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Then those people get what's coming to them. I've always taken the proper precautions. I wouldn't do it any other way.
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Since when were any of these disease hereditry ? Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard !!!
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Oh really? Perhaps in the future you should consider researching something before you start typing.
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The word tend is used a lot here. I know one person with MS and she has no history of it in her family so I would like to see a LOT more evidence before I was convinced.
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im still waiting on what big klg posted to be commented on.
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That's right!
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Im kind of interested to see this aswell.
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wow this thread has gotten alot of attention!! now im here giving it more.
this thread is an attention whore
slutofathread!
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Althought is a huge thread
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Thats right.. but where is SVC?Althought is a huge thread
2005 the new year
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I heard that 10mg DBOL ED in 30days would give you som little
gains and also give you higher own production of testosteron higher
after the cycle.
Small doses dbol...
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why did you put this here?I heard that 10mg DBOL ED in 30days would give you som little
gains and also give you higher own production of testosteron higher
after the cycle.
Small doses dbol...
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I heard that 10mg DBOL ED in 30days would give you som little
gains and also give you higher own production of testosteron higher
after the cycle.
Small doses dbol...
thanks for sharing
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2 things, first off this is a random comment, secondly, do you have any proof of this statement. I have never heard anything about dbol boosting natural test production after a cycle, and I find it to be highly unlikely.I heard that 10mg DBOL ED in 30days would give you som little
gains and also give you higher own production of testosteron higher
after the cycle.
Small doses dbol...
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thats def a crock of shlt
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we are getting off topic. Lets wait for SVC.
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Why am I doing this!? BUMP.
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