All you need to know about GYNO.

[andrewg10]

hey man this may sound stupid but i just ordered some liquifem and not sure how to take it. do i inject it, if so where is the best place to inject it? sorry if it sounds stupid Im just clueless at this but want my gyno gone thank man

[Razor]

Thanks C, I just started letro today

[Caedus]

Come off cycle and noticed that my chest is quite puffy looking. I've had gyno since I was a teenager but it's not really noticable. Both of my nipples look okay - not abnormal, but my chest seems a little bit more rounded and puffy. Will this subside? I'm currently on Clomid and the puffyness has subsided slightly. I also have Letro on order, should be here in 5-6 days. Will the puffyness disappear soon after PCT or am I stuck with it?

[Judah]

I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole and other anti-e's. I will go over everything in very simple easy to understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it.

Let me make this first point very clear, as I state in my signature this is from my personal experience, so whether you agree with it or not is your own issue. I have helped many people with gyno and it has worked just fine for them as well.

To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:

SERM - Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
AI - Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI's prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro.

Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don't know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno...let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can't guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

I hope this covers most of the issues, still feel free to PM me if you have questions. But make sure you read the entire post first.

I will ignore PM's that have an answer covered in this post already.

I'm helping my buddy out with his PCT after he did a cycle of Sust for 12 weeks at 500mg a week.

Currently He's 42 years old has done about 10 cycles his whole life. He's 185 pounds 5'11 with 8% body fat.

He has never done any AI's during a cycle or any PCT ever. He's just one of these lucky guys who never has sides. The only side he has ever experienced is a little gyno behind the nipple and every time he ends a cycle it always goes away on its own after a month or 2.

Now that he's in his 40s, he's going to start running PCT when he cycles. Here's my question:

He wants to run PCT. I gave him nolva and clomid to run for pct. He also has Letro. He's experiencing a tiny bit of gyno under one nipple. He's ready to start his pct, how should I advice him to run it based on the circumstances and the compounds he has?

[noon]

Good article
glad to read these

[kylef23]

Great info thanks!

[DannyboyMJ]

Thankyou for such posts, they will really help newbs like myself!

[Phased]

Here is a less harsh way

Ok here is what your gonna do

Letro dosing, i'll break it down for you:
1ml = 2.5mg
0.9ml = 2.25mg
0.8ml = 2mg
0.7ml = 1.75mg
0.6ml = 1.5mg
0.5ml = 1.25mg
0.4ml = 1mg
0.3ml = 0.75mg
0.2ml = 0.5mg
0.1ml = 0.25mg

Weeks 1-2
Letro .25mg EOD, so draw .1ml the plunger, letro is sweet so taste is ok. Take before bed.


Weeks 2-6
Nolvadex 40/40/40/20mg
Clomid 70/70/35/35mg

Nolvadex tastes really bad, mix it with water put it in a shot glass and throw it back.
I would do the same with the clomid.

Take the nolva in the morning, clomid at night.

This should reverse the Gyno .

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Supplements
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Vitamin d3 5000mg ED

[BigPapi09]

Bino,
Hope u can help. I'm week 2 into my anadrol 50 mg per day use. First cycle ever, I read about all side effects and thought it was worth a shot. But never read that I should be taking letro or even Nolva at end of cycles. Stupid and ignorant on my part. I may be just paranoid , but last 3 days I had some pain under my chest which was relieved after burping or sitting up. My nipples feel a little sensitive. Don't feel any lumps behind them though. What should I do, and where is a good place to get it. Any help would be much appreciated doc mc titty

[BigPapi09]

Also to any1 else who reads this too please give me some tips. But, what I'm taking exactly is anadrol oxymetholone. 50 mg a day. I weigh 195 . 6 ft. After 15 days in I felt the pain in my chest and it has persisted for 2 days . Does anadrol cause gyno and should I be using Nolva or letro and where to get them again. Thanks for any1 reading this again.

[max toms]

Hey Guys!

What kind of dosage of arimidex should I be looking at from the beginning of my cycle of deca (400mgs per week) and test E (500mgs per week) as a preventative measure to gyno and or deca dick?

[bilgee]

I mean to say thank you to Bino

[JohnyB]

Epic thread and very informative... thank you for sharing bro.

[bilgee]

Excellent info Bino thank you! I would like to hear your saying on acne problems? I ran couple of begginner type cycle about year and half ago ( test,anavar! cyp e.t.c) had amazing result but really bad acne breakout all over my shoulders and back! It was still happening long after pct. Now i got bad scars and also chickened out to do cycle again. I am 5'7, 35 years old 175lb, 12%-15% bf, have been working out about 10 years solid. Just could not find a lot about acne sides! Please feel free any advice thank you guys

[bob87]

Try accutane also known as isotretinoin it's an acne med I run it as a precaution towards the end of my cycle through pct and even after to be safe it has some nasty sides so do your research

[bilgee]

Thanks Bob i will

[madracer]

great info.. needs to be at the top of gyno search

[vwvwvv]

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

Running Letro approximately 2 weeks before cycle, what would be the recommended dosage? 0.25mg/eod?

And also, first week on into cycle, do I still maintain 0.25mg/eod? and for how long, throughout cycle?

[AliYousaf]

Running Letro approximately 2 weeks before cycle, what would be the recommended dosage? 0.25mg/eod?

And also, first week on into cycle, do I still maintain 0.25mg/eod? and for how long, throughout cycle?

Looking for the same Info.. Has there been any further research on this one or are we good to go with this running Letro two weeks before cycle ?? I have read the initial post by Bino couple of times but its an old thread so I was thinking of some endorsement on this one by gurus or Bino himself. Please any one ?

[Jakarta]

Hey bino, I really need your opinion.
I've got a lump and its sensitive, I got it from pro hormones a few months ago, I must've missed a couple of tabs of the pct.
I just started on test e 500mg/week for my first cycle. Only first week now. What should I do?
Start letro as stated now? Please man, need your help and expertise.

[AliYousaf]

Jakarta ! This is an old thread like 6 years old. I have been told that 6 years in Steroid industry is like renaissance in comparison with modern times. Plus Bino too hasn't been seen in a while.
So what I say Phased is your man.. Search him.

Sent from my iPhone.

[Back In Black]

Jakarta ! This is an old thread like 6 years old. I have been told that 6 years in Steroid industry is like renaissance in comparison with modern times. Plus Bino too hasn't been seen in a while.
So what I say Phased is your man.. Search him.

Sent from my iPhone.

Phased was banned months ago!!!!

[SwooseGoose]

Old thread but a great read. Any updated info on this subject?

SwooseGoose

[andyb73]

Im currently taking t400 and deca. i am about 8 weeks into my cycle. I "kickstarted" my cycle with anadrol. Im noticing lately that my nipples are kind of tender, and puffy. there seems to be a slight lump behind the nipples. I have been taking armidex for a couple of weeks now. I have some clomid, letro and novla on the way. Could anyone give me information how to get rid of the puffyness.. how much letro, novla or clomid i should be taking to get rid of this problem before it gets worse?

[TruRelign]

Im currently taking t400 and deca. i am about 8 weeks into my cycle. I "kickstarted" my cycle with anadrol. Im noticing lately that my nipples are kind of tender, and puffy. there seems to be a slight lump behind the nipples. I have been taking armidex for a couple of weeks now. I have some clomid, letro and novla on the way. Could anyone give me information how to get rid of the puffyness.. how much letro, novla or clomid i should be taking to get rid of this problem before it gets worse?

It's in the post, bro... Maybe read it?

[beauzo]

Good Info, cheers, I'll continue my reasearch

[JohnnyJohnson]

Not sure that I have early gyno symptoms or just being paranoid. Like an idiot I didn't start an AI w beginning if my cycle. I have Aromasin on the way now. Should be here this week and I will begin immediately. My question after reading this is: letrozole my only option for reversing or will Aromasin be sufficient to help if there's even really an issue? Also one other question. Does Aromasin have an anti-receptor cell ability or only SERMS?

[Jsantana1994]

hey C_Bino,
I'm new to the forums and i'm not sure how things work around here. I wanted to message you but i cant even access your page, so i guess i'll post my question on here. Okay so I've had hard lumps under my nipples for a while now, i'm not on any cycle btw. I really want to get rid of them and i've been studying up on liquid letrozole. I just received it today but i cant really find the right dosage on it and for how many weeks. i did read your great post but i'm confused as what you mean by continue the same dosage for 4-7 weeks.
okay let me get this straight, i start taking .50mg of letro on day one and so on. when you say keep the same dosage for 4-7 weeks what do you mean exactly, do i keep taking 2.5mg everyday for 4-7 weeks? please clarify this for me, Thank you!

[Jsantana1994]

I apologize i put weeks instead of days. i meant 4-7 days

[masterdlg]

I have bad gyno and some maybe fat also.im going to try the letro for a couple months and see if that helps.am I oing to lose all gains from my cycle and if this don't work,do anyone know a dr. who does good surgery at a good price.i can deal with streach marks and potmarks on my face but not bitch tits.it really messes w my self image and I get teased some.thank u

[Hawaii_raise]

hello c Bino....long story short i took pro hormones a couple of years ago and at that time till now i had no signs of gyno. I took a natural test booster and my gyno blow up with in a month. At first i did not know how it happen but now i realize it was the pro hormones. I went back to the place were i got m natural test and told them my story and sold me "pes erase". I have been on it for 1 week and it seems my gyno is not getting any better but not getting any worst.

i just ordered "liqued letro" from rui and should be coming in a few days. My question is do i fall in to scenario #1? my lump is the size of a peanut now and it hurts please need some good advice and you seem to know at your talking about. Also should I just stop taking pes erase or stack both?

thank you in advance

[horse_boy]

hello mate, can you please help, i have gyno lumps and i dont know how to get rid of them, i want to start another test/tren cycle but i need these lumps gone, can you please help, im lost. thanks

[Tacitus_Nero]

Any suggestions guys? I have never ran a cycle, this seems to be natural. I've cut alot of weight as of late. Upwards of 50lbs. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[tigerspawn]

Bump

[lcryanwc]

Where can I get real letro at? Also my lumps are very small I bought a over the counter ai that has 6-bromo androst 1,4 diene 3,17 dione at 40 mgs in it. is this stuff any good do I even need the letro? thanks in advance.

[1441cc]

I know this is an acient thread, but I fall in catagory #3.

I am on Tren /Test (for about 6 weeks). I just got my Letro today and have started per instructions in the topic per #3.

Should I stop the tren completely now in order to help the letro work better/faster with my gyno? Or can I stay on the Tren/Test while taking the letro?

Just seeing if it will be more effective stopping my cycle of gear.

[chedapalooza]

I want to run letro on cycle to reverse EXISTING gyno whicj is not caused by aas...Rather than using nolva as the pct for my test e/var cycle, can I use clomid ? (I have rx grade from my doctor) and follow the gyno elimination protocol #3....

2 weeks prior- .25 letro
1-12 test E 500mg
6-12 var 60mg
1-12 gyno redux protocol


Pct
Clomid 50/50/50/25 (100 makes me way too emo)
DAA, anabeta, erase? Would I want to use this OTC AI?

I'm worried about the estro rebound from letro

My chest is gross and making me very depressed and angry!

Thanks for the advice in advance

[KurtCanada1985]

Thank you for all the info poster!

[half natural]

awesome

[Jdamm]

bump