Stop bashing Deca! and telling newbies to use Test

[kingofmasters]

Yours are always good but my head usually hurts after reading one...

LMAO

Yours are always good --> Are we dating now?

Sorry to hijack the thread but it is just such ignorant propagandistic inaccurate info that is given here by the Pro-Deca gang!

[BUYLONGTERM]

Am feeling neglected here
weren't my posts good?

You are the man!!! I think everyone knows your posts kick booty!!!

[kingofmasters]

You are the man!!! I think everyone knows your posts kick booty!!!

Ah I am so happy right now, i swear if I were a woman....

Did Anyone say (Post)Whore?

Greets
Kingofmasters

[BUYLONGTERM]

Ah I am so happy right now, i swear if I were a woman....

Did Anyone say (Post)Whore?

Greets
Kingofmasters

LMAO!!!!!

[monstercojones]

LMAO!!!!!

speaking of post whores.... j/k bro

[SKiN]

LMAO

Yours are always good --> Are we dating now?

Sorry to hijack the thread but it is just such ignorant propagandistic inaccurate info that is given here by the Pro-Deca gang!

Haha sorry im straight...

and dont u mean the limp dick gang.... haha

[slamd097]

Freaks....LOL...I agree with you guys...as far as the no test no cycle..been there done that..so T.J..I would say from personal experience..I would run test with everything...It worked even better with the test then it did on its own...just my .02

[itsallmental]

Test is also cheaper

I had to get something in there.

reason #1 why i used it as a first cycle. i also gained 28 off running only 2 vials, with no anti-e's(not gyno prone). so, spending only 80 bucks on a first cycle, i couldnt ask for better.

how would deca been "a better choice" for me? would i of gained 30 instead of 28? highly unlikely.

[punk_bbuilder]

Mud man you once again prove to be a pimp ...you make me home town proud

[Anhydro78]

Hey toenail have you ever done a Deca only cycle before???? I have!!! It was my first and it was stupid.After it kicked in it worked for about 3 weeks until my natural test was suppressed. Then I had no ambition!!! And when I went of I was actually further behind in my training than when I first started.Meaning I was weaker than when I started.

[Blown_SC]

I'll start by saying I've never used AS...

I'm just wondering though...

Since when has the 'Test is Best' opinion been accepted as customary?

[SV-1]

There's not much I can add to this. I've butted heads with Toenail Juice Z in a few of his older threads and he's got some *very* strange ideas (not just about deca).

[einstein1905]

I'll start by saying I've never used AS...

I'm just wondering though...

Since when has the 'Test is Best' opinion been accepted as customary?

I'm not pro "test is best", although there aren't any real contenders, but I'm definitely against "deca only is good".

[Blown_SC]

I'm not pro "test is best", although there aren't any real contenders, but I'm definitely against "deca only is good".

Thanks for the reply Einy... but, I wasn't sayin that you thought that ( i worded it wrong)... just wondered if this has been the way most (educated) ppl have thought? Just wondering that's all....(since the 70's? 80's? 90's?)

For anyone else, take a look at this thread (why deca only is bad) ...

I found it helpful.....(includes why winny-only is bad as well)

Click Here

[monstercojones]

I'm not pro "test is best", although there aren't any real contenders

thats how i feel... what other compound is so universally useful? test is it for me. i can see running a cycle without it for certain circumstances, but really i think test is a valuable part of 95% of cycles.

[Krunchtime]

Good post bro!

thanks

[Krunchtime]

There's not much I can add to this. I've butted heads with Toenail Juice Z in a few of his older threads and he's got some *very* strange ideas (not just about deca).

Well I think hes going to have his head butted quite a bit. starting threads called "stop bashing deca! and telling newbies to use test!" He needs to get serious. If he could have come up with any small bit of info to support his arguement then maybe he would have a point. Id say mudman and einstein win here. As for toenail juice or whatever his name is ... Run deca only all day. Its not my dick...its yours.

Dueces
Krunch

[Troyboy]

I love you guys, specially the british guy, "I willl turn you over and show you my limp noodle" HHHHAHH that was too good...

Good points made, But test is the best.

simple as that, nature made and nature good!

[50%Natural]

This was one of the worst arguments ive ever seen for any sort of debate whatsoever. These are generalizations lacking any credible references...I'm sorry, but that is a ****ty ass post

I found this written on another board, and i'm sure a lot of you will agree with this.

Top Reasons Why Testosterone is a Bad Choice!! (especially for NEWBIES)

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This may surprise many people but test is a bad choice for almost all prospective AS users.

And in a no-surprise move, I will recommend Deca as the best anabolic out there for mass, cutting and athletic use.

Here are some well known reasons why test is inferior

1. You will lose half of your gains after a test cycle

2. Test is awful for your prostate and colon

3. Test will make your hair fall out faster than most other compounds

4. Test requires higher and higher dosages to get a decent affect (all along the side effects increase).

5. Test causes gyno faster than almost all other compounds

6. If you use anti-estrogens to protect yourself from the sides listed above, you will be taking away many of the properties that make test good for gains, so it is a lose/lose situation

The list goes on and on.

[50%Natural]

Am feeling neglected here
weren't my posts good?

KOM, you are the man...You've really impressed me with the scientific knowledge you have obviously aquired through strenuous schooling...

[LightWeightBaby]

what a dumb post

[SportsMedVIP]

This was one of the worst arguments ive ever seen for any sort of debate whatsoever. These are generalizations lacking any credible references...I'm sorry, but that is a ****ty ass post

I like how he says it's an article. Like it was printed in something reputable with good data backing it. It's an editorial at best.

[SportsMedVIP]

The list goes on and on.

And I'd like to see the rest of this list. It's sounds like it's very long.

[RussianVodka]

Deca only cycle is very bad idea. My first 3 cycles was test cyp only - (250mg, 400mg, 600mg). I had no sides at all. Used arimidex and nolva and proper PCT.
No test - no cycle!!!

[Toenail Juice Z]

We don't kiss asses; we respect each other and since Einstein has well founded morally and scientifical arguments which are also polite; we give him kudos (the fact that I agree with him 98% of the times also plays a rol )

And not only that I don't approve of Deca, I even find that it has no place in a stack either! (and that while never have used it; it just sounds so awful in theory).
Far better compounds for those goals!

And offcourse we can't stop you, you want to do a Deca Only cycle, then go ahead! we just advice! (most of the times scientifical not even as a personal opinion)... But think about it --> What do we have to gain by giving you false advice (which if it goes wrong only places yet another dark shadow on performance enhancing compounds!).

So go ahead with it, but you must know that that list is almost completely inaccurate; not only in theory but also if you look at real-life experiences of members on the board (including me) and else in the world!

Greets
Kingofmasters

I don't want to do a deca only cycle. I have done one in the past as well as deca and tren with no problems

[Toenail Juice Z]

its pretty funny that he threw tapering out there as his trump arguement. advocating tapering a deca only cycle really shows a tremendous amount of education on the subject of AS.

I can't beleive I said tapering. It probably just swept out I never taper.

Sorry bros

[Toenail Juice Z]

Test is also cheaper

I had to get something in there.

Deca's cheap in Europe though.

$8 / 200mg amp and test enanthate around the same.

Depends on the season.

Winny Depot for example in the cutting season (summer) can go for around $14-20$(US Dollars) and amp! but in winter it never goes above 12-14 dollars/amp (50mg Spanish Zambon)

[Toenail Juice Z]

Most ignorant post ever, how can something naturally found in your body be a bad choice.

Synthetic Testosterone is naturally found in the body??? Hmmm

[Toenail Juice Z]

Hey toenail have you ever done a Deca only cycle before???? I have!!! It was my first and it was stupid.After it kicked in it worked for about 3 weeks until my natural test was suppressed. Then I had no ambition!!! And when I went of I was actually further behind in my training than when I first started.Meaning I was weaker than when I started.

I also did a deca only cycle for my first cycle. Got the best results out of any other cycle, but that was probably due to the fact it was my first cycle, and first cycle gains are always the best.

[Demon Deacon]

Synthetic Testosterone is naturally found in the body??? Hmmm

Natural Test is. I believe maybe i am wrong. Does it say anything in your article about test being found in the body? I really want to know now if test is naturally produced in our body. Could you please read your article over and tell me if it says anything about it? And find out if our bodies taper it as well.

[Toenail Juice Z]

There's not much I can add to this. I've butted heads with Toenail Juice Z in a few of his older threads and he's got some *very* strange ideas (not just about deca).

Come on bro, give me some credit. What strange ideas are you referring to? The one where I said you shouldn't ejaculate often if you want optimal gains

[Toenail Juice Z]

Natural Test is.

You just proved my point.

[Demon Deacon]

You just proved my point.

Well as long as i helped somebody

[Toenail Juice Z]

I am not promoting with this post for newbies to use DECA only cycles.

Deca can be combined with almost any steroid with excellent results, it just doesn't always have to be test. That's all i'm saying.

BTW check out the poll I made about those who got deca dick while doing a deca only cycle and those who didn't. It's pretty interesting.

Anyway, I'm no fan of deca alone. Let this be clear.

I just wanted to argue the test is best attitude that prevails on this board.

[einstein1905]

synthetic test and "natural" test are identical

[Toenail Juice Z]

synthetic test and "natural" test are identical

Sorry bout that. I didn't do my homework then

[einstein1905]

I am not promoting with this post for newbies to use DECA only cycles.

Deca can be combined with almost any steroid with excellent results, it just doesn't always have to be test. That's all i'm saying.

BTW check out the poll I made about those who got deca dick while doing a deca only cycle and those who didn't. It's pretty interesting.

Anyway, I'm no fan of deca alone. Let this be clear.

I just wanted to argue the test is best attitude that prevails on this board.

It's not about deca dick...that's really a very minor concern. it's the utter lack of androgenicity in the body to control the elevated prolactin to prevent all of the negative effects elevated prolactin has.....simply adding an androgen to the mix solves many if not most of these problems.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Well I think hes going to have his head butted quite a bit. starting threads called "stop bashing deca! and telling newbies to use test!" He needs to get serious. If he could have come up with any small bit of info to support his arguement then maybe he would have a point. Id say mudman and einstein win here. As for toenail juice or whatever his name is ... Run deca only all day. Its not my dick...its yours.

Dueces
Krunch

ho ho ho

[Demon Deacon]

It's not about deca dick...that's really a very minor concern. it's the utter lack of androgenicity in the body to control the elevated prolactin to prevent all of the negative effects elevated prolactin has.....simply adding an androgen to the mix solves many if not most of these problems.

It was about deca dick for me. Got it, didnt like it, still have it, want to get rid of it.

[Billy_Bathgate]

lol...unlike motor oils

synthetic testosterone and natural testosterone are identical in chemical structure

First hand...dbol aromatises much greater for me than testosterone. winstrol is much harder on my prostate than testosterone. proviron is much harder on my hair. ive always kept all my gains from testosterone. i dont find myself needing more and more testosterone to keep making gains. ive never experienced any sides with testosterone that i didnt with deca, in fact i would call deca worse in terms of recovery for me and libido


if you know how to train, diet, use proper ancillaries, and proper recovery, none of the things that were said are even applicable


myth busted.....