call rick collins
seriously.
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call rick collins
seriously.
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oh sh!t tom, well unless we trashed the stuff on you HDD the templates are still there unless you deleted them. I am also pretty sure you should have read the warrant, it should have specifically stated what they were looking for and i doubt it was steroids, so i dont think they should have even bothered with them.Originally Posted by ChiTownTommy
ok to make a long tory kind of short i was in my 7th week of test e, thursday night 2:00am i get a firm knowck on the door. get up to answer it and it is the cops nothing come to mind at first the ask me to step outside and start asking me questions about fake ids, and if i have made them and all that they then tel me the have a search warrent to search through my room, so i give them persmissions anyways knowing that in the terms of the contract with the school any reasonalbe doubt they can search my room. i am left in the hall with another cop well two more come up the elevator after talking to my roomates and searching the room the come out and cuff me. I am taken to the police station figeprinted and everything, they found my gear and some pot along with a piece that i just got to go to a concert this weekend since i don't drink or smoke, they fount all the syringes, juice winny nolva and clomid. Thewy took it all after spending the night in jail i start getting drilled for the fake id thing again well i guess they didn't find anything on me about it other then some kids saying it was me when they got busted for it. they toook my comp and copyed my drive so trouble still might come up for it later not sure. So back to the story i have 2 mistermeniors for the pot and piece the steriods are a class 3 felony. i got a hole of my parents who got my a bonds men who posted my 12,500 bondwith a 1,250 depostit. This is going to be the first steriod case every in this county history so my lawyar is afriad they might be rather harsh on me to prove a point witch means i could end up with anything between 1-7 years in prison. I'll find out he is going to have me talk to the prosucuter before i go to court explain what it all is why i was doing ti and all that, it is considered a controlded substace. i am in a ****load of problems hear, i need help with court and any sujestions i should do to get my test levels back to normale now that i am done with it and they took it all away.
y lawyar said if things work out i will be drug test for the next 2 years and that i won't even pe able to take any suppliments legal or anything. Help me please. I won't have much time to check this anytime soon busy with court lawyer bonds man and school and all that good **** so is people could bump this if it falls i would apprecate it. i will keep you posted ask any questions i will refer them to my lawyer, please any help would be greatly apprecated.
ChiTownTommy
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If the warrant was stated for Id making material etc then they could look in whatever but it may have been limited to your comp. Another snafu is your in a dorm and have no real legal rights to your dwelling when campus security has a reason to search your room. But the poilice would need a clear warrant becauese it is invading for you and your roomates. I would deffinately call Rick Collins
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Who is this Rick Collins fellow and how can i get ahold of him?
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go to yahoo and type steroid law and his name will come up right away.
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ouch man it really sucks to be you.
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not to sound selfish, maybe you need to stay away from the boards, so the rest of us dont get drug down bc of you.... good luck, be smart enough to know you dont need to make a thread with this kinda crap in it where they can see you askin for help, innocent ppl dont do that...
Retired Vet
This is actually good advice, because if they have your computer
they are going to find your AR board name and sure as **** can
come on the site to see what you have been saying since... I'd
probably delete everything you can or have admin do it asap...
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agreed!!!!!!!...WTF are you doin bro...have BC delete your fukkin account...and get ahold of rick collins....thats the only thing i think you should do
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Loose lips sink ships and good lawyers win the toughest cases! Keep both of these sayings at the front of your mind and you may come out alright in the end.
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Room Raiders: COPS Special Edition~
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What country are you from? Sounds bizarre that you're the first ever case of steroids.
Anabolic Member
he typed county not country lol
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My bad. With all his other spelling mistakes I assumed he meant country. Haha.
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i am in Cape Girardeau county in MO
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that sucks dude... im really sorry to hear that. Hope everything works out in the end
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All right, here is my .02 cents
First, get a lawyer who knows what they are doing (Rick Collins, he has his own website with a phone #).
Secondly, do not admit to anything or anyone… it sounds like in your case that it could be anyone’s stash in the shared room.
Thirdly, if your prior record is clean then I guarantee you will not get prison time. It will be most likely a fine, possible community service, and a few years probation. If your lawyer is talking about prison time get a new one.
Do not stress on this too hard because all your going to receive is a simple slap on the wrist if this your first offence. At worst, you could always claim that you have an addiction and instead of prison, you would rather choose an inpatient rehab program. (Just a thought).
BTW, you should get a PO Box and think about getting some cinnamon flavored clomid for you PCT from ARR.
Either way I wish you the best of luck and let us know what happens.
Last edited by Fat Guy; 09-26-2004 at 02:03 PM.
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my lawyer is talking about me talking to the prosicuter before we go to trail explain why i was taking it what it was and that i hasn't caused any harm he is talking ablong the lines of getting a SIS which is below a felony charge but not great. Somthing along the lines of me being drug tested once a month for the next two yaers were i can't take any supplements or anything, and probation for 2-5 years not sure though. IF you guys want me off the board i understand and any mod feel free to kick me, i just figured i am already ****ed and i might as well get help were i can find it. and help in return by informing everyojne what happens with a case like this
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I see no reason for you to quit or be removed from the board…All this stuff is hypothetical and there is nothing illegal about people sharing their experiences with each other. As with some boards that openly post illicit activity this board forbids that kind of activity. So everything is above board (no pun intended) here and IMHO your post are safe because this board is a safe place because it is regulated that way.
Last edited by Fat Guy; 09-26-2004 at 02:17 PM.
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Yea i tried looking up anything about certain stuff and it looks like it is already erased. Thanks for the heads up you reminded me of some stuffI see no reason for you to quit or be removed from the board…All this stuff is hypothetical and there is nothing illegal about people sharing their experiences with each other. As with some boards that openly post illicit activity this board forbids that kind of activity. So everything is above board (no pun intended) here and IMHO your post are safe because this board is a safe place because it is regulated that way.
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Bringing this up a THIRD TIME. You already ADMITTED the steroids were yours didnt you?????
If that is the case, you really have no leverage. Maybe if you are from a small town, the DA might be laid back (they never are) and give you a break.
Dont worry about your account on here. They arent gonna take the time or care to read what you post on a message board.
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I exmededt to them that they were mine prior to them reading me my miranda rights, i mean they didn't read me those until 8:30 the next morning, after that i didn't say **** i kept my mouth shut. Money boss my bad i am horable at spelling
Retired Vet
Bro the thing is they can get everything you've been saying
now very easy... simlpy as doing a search under your board
name... It's not only good for the board, but for you to get
all history of your posts deleted and deleted asap... Don't
make this to easy for them... Have a mod/admin delete all
record of your account now...
Senior Member
ok then mods can one of you delet my post history?
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hey lay back relax, just try to keep us updated in your case.
we are safe
Retired Vet
It's not so much for the board safety, but for his own good
that this his post history gets deleted... They will be able to
get his board name from his harddrive and can do a search on
the site to get more info on his activities... Think bro.. This is
common now for LE to do this...
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pm system admin...
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This is a lot of crap - worst they can do to you is 0-6 months - most likely looking at probation and some class of misdemeanor if you plea - make them prove it and yes, dont let a pub defender sell you cheap because he wants to plea your case ASAP
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I don't know who your lawyer is but I have a friend who got busted with dbols and like a half ounce of weed (in NY) while he was stoned and only got probation with drug tests. The only thing you had that he didnt was the drug paraphanalia and I don't think that makes too much of a difference. I'd have to agree with whoever said the worst part is going to be this hitting your pockets, lawyers are expensive (the reason im studying to be one). Finally, if for whatever reason they do try and hit u with the book or your lawyer sucks or watever get those felony charges off you. Felony convictions will lose you your student loans and all that good **** which will really **** up your money situation. Good luck
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Felonies will not lose you your student loans. That is simply not true.
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your friend got caught with dbol, i got caught with Test, syringes, winny, nolva, clomid.
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I'll throw in my 2 cents... I'm currently in law school, specializing in criminal law.
I didnt read through all the posts, so excuse me if I ask questions that have already been answered.
What kind of lawyer do you have? Under no circumstance should you let the public defender represent you. Here is my advice... call lawyers from the capital city of the state you live in. Lawyers are well worth the money... it could be the difference between court time... and sentence reduction. Its very possibly and likely that you can have one of the charges dropped... with a good lawyer.
Here is what you must understand about college living conditions. You're wrong with you say that "they can search your room if they have reason to believe they need to". Colleges dont have their own special laws.
Under the 4rd Amend. you're protected from anybody searching your room without a search warrent. You said that they told you they had a search warrent.. did they? This is very important... if they didnt have a search warrent this case will be dropped. I can promise you that. It doesnt matter what they have reason to believe... you're paying for that room and you have an expectation of privacy. Anything that you expect privacy, needs a warrent (briefcases, office desk at work, rooms, glove boxes in cars, safes...)
Do whatever you gotta do.... get money from the parents, take out a loan..... get a good lawyer. Dont get one from the county you live in... I repeat, dont get one from the county you live in.
If you have any questions... feel free to PM me bro.
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well they never said they had a warrent but it is in the clouse of the school in the fine print that if there is unreasanable doubt that your are doing anything illegall the university has the right to search you room, they found most the stuff in my desk being majuana and some nolva they found the rest in a coat pocket in my closet. i already got myself a lwyer he is from this county, didn't know better sorry. i am hopefully going to find out a little more in the mmorning once i call him up, i was suppost to appear in court tommrow but he says the judge is a dick and he is going to delay it o he get all the paper work and **** like that. He also said somthing about going and talking to the prosicuter, who is a friend of his and telling her why i am on roids and stuff like that to see if she will lower the charge prior to going to court. does that sound right to you? somthing like that anyway
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Bro... Your college cant voilate your fourth amendment rights. If you're paying room & board and you have a lock on the door... then that room is yours. I dont care what they have in fine print... it wont stand in court. You cant violate the civil liberties given by the constitution. They MUST have a warrent... but you let them in on your own will, which was a mistake. I strongly urge you to get another lawyer, this guy is going to wrap this case up as quickly as he possibly can... after court, you can find your lawyer having lunch with the judge and prosecutor while you're in jail.
When it comes to lawyers, you get what you pay for.
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yea i hope i get what i pay for cause this guy ain't cheap. But i let this guys in assumeing that they were going to look around generally for a id machine because that is what they came to my room for i did not know they could go through my desk and closet. can they?
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If it doesnt have a lock, then its free to search.
As you probably now know... you should never have let them come into your room. To give you an example why they couldnt come in to your room like your college said in fine print.... When they knocked on the door... they asked you to step outside... why? Because they cant walk in, and they knew that. If they were able to walk in, then they would have.... but they didnt... once they had you outside and drilled you with questions, they ASKED you if they could search your room.... and inknowingly, you said yes.
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Actually.... no. Like I said, colleges cant make up their own laws. The instance you gave where they can search lockers without your consent... never, not without a warrent. School principals think they are the "head key keeper". Here is what happens.. the cops send the dogs through the school, they start barking at a locker. So they go get the kid out of class, ask him to open up his locker.... and the dumbass usually does, because he doesnt know his rights. They never just open the locker, because they cant without a warrent. Same goes with college dorms.. this is why the officers asked him to step out of his room, because they know that they cant come in. Once they got him outside, they intimidated him by drilling him with questions. He was so shook up, when they asked to come into the room.... he said sure.
Like I said before.... the golden rule.... If it has a lock, it needs a warrent.
Last edited by EastCoaster; 09-27-2004 at 09:05 AM.
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yep yep! i learned that lesson too tommy so dont feel bad bro
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OK, lets just say that the school can set their own stipulations to searchs. No matter what their code is, they must have established probable cause to even justify such an attempt. When they searched this kids room, I dont see their probable cause. They knocked on his door because they "heard" he was selling fake ID's, hersay is not probable cause unless its coming from an informent... which I'm highly doubting it did in this instance.
If I were this kids lawyer, I would tear this schools officials inside out.
For starters.... you could argue that when he was asked to come outside, he was informally put under arrest. Technically, you're officially under arrest "when you feel that you cannot leave". These officers pulled this kid outside, then when he asked to put some clothes on, the officer put his foot in the door to watch him... in my mind, this kid is undoubtly under the watch and arrest of the officers at this time, UNLESS they said, "you're not under arrest, we just want to ask you a few questions." They have to be very clear about this. Without reading this kid his miranda rights, I dont see how you can justify his consent to search as reasonable. The whole incident was flawed with horrible procedure from the start.
I have no doubt that I would be able to have ALL charges dropped if I were representing this guy.
This kid was informally put under arrest without probable cause... under no circumstances can this be justified. I would tear this case apart.
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Being that in that instance nothing was found, I dont think it would hold much importance. Unless you tried to claim that he was intimidating you, or possibly violating your privacy. Thats a stretch though.
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