Yea clen works alot better with test that way it preserves more of your muscleOriginally Posted by Spoon
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Yea clen works alot better with test that way it preserves more of your muscle
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Spoon keep checking your temp, and dont go to hard on the cardio, a light walk is all that is necessary.
Thanks for giving the details, very infomative.
'Lurker at the threshold'
bro, i can hardly even wake up and do cardioi have only done am cardio once since i started the dnp. i have to say, i am quite enjoying the heat im getting
at least i know the stuff is working the way it should be. i feel that 400mg ed is perfect for me. its not so unbearable, in fact its VERY ok. Being in an airconditioned room makes all the difference.
worked out around 530pm. finished in about 45 mins. i attempted to go for 75% of max lifts and i was able to do it with some effort. had my blood presure checked and it was high around 166/ 70 is this ok?
btw hope i get to sleep much easier than yesterday.
'Lurker at the threshold'
its been a week since i have taken dnp, i have to say this stuff is great, was expecting to see more results though. the heat is still bearable. ive decided to stay at 400mg ed throughout remainder of cycle. i had an easier time sleeping but waking up was a different thing. LATER!
'Lurker at the threshold'
another thing, i have only done cardio once for the past 8 days. problem is i have a difficult time waking up on dnp. is cardio that big a factor? or can i just skip it totally?thanks
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only do what you can do if ur feeling like not doing cardio skip it
'Lurker at the threshold'
I think what i have felt the last 2-3 days is how it should be for the remainder of my cycle. not bad at all. i dont think i will ever get the dreaded sweats, i get moist but not sweaty and all. I feel clammy all day. I also noticed that it is quite annoying to sleep while feeling "clammy" but its something i have learned to get used to.
thank god for dry-fit shirts defintely helped me out. i have several questions, water retention should be setting in by now right? if so where would this be located, gutt area? coz i honestly thought i would look more defined by now but am assuming that the water im holding is covering up my results. am i making sense? will have an update for you guys later.
BTW its legs day today and will be interesting how i feel in the gym later.
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Especially at low doses, I think cardio should still be mandatory if you are up to it. The profile of how dnp works will probably help your body reach lypolysis faster and you will burn ALOT more fat combining the two.
I would do my cardio on my treadmill where I would have my AC going and two fans blowing on me and a stand where I could place my gallon of water for close reaching.
The only thing that sucks is shortness of breath, especially while doin cardio and even worse, those morning dnp sh!ts while on the treadmill, lol. I would have to run to the bathroom 3 times durin my 45min-1hr cardio sesssion.
'Lurker at the threshold'
i have also been blasting the aircon wherever i am. People in my office cant figure out why i need the aircon so cold, at home i watch tv with airconditioning, electric fan and i aint even wearing a shirt. they probably think im part eskimo.
also, any of you dnp past users ever notice that you keep lifting your shirt and checking yourself out in the mirror? i like do this a 100 times a day its a very narcistic habit
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the water is kinda of all over its not really localized to any one spoti have also been blasting the aircon wherever i am. People in my office cant figure out why i need the aircon so cold, at home i watch tv with airconditioning, electric fan and i aint even wearing a shirt. they probably think im part eskimo.
also, any of you dnp past users ever notice that you keep lifting your shirt and checking yourself out in the mirror? i like do this a 100 times a day its a very narcistic habit
'Lurker at the threshold'
Just a couple of quick questions guys, does dnp effectiveness ever plateau? i think the worst is over for me. also how do i know if i am taking an optimum dose? im on 400mg at the moment, so tempted to increase but will se how i am in a couple of more days.
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Be carefull alot of people are getting the sick/flu like symptoms around days 12 it seems, going up in dosage might make it worse.
'Lurker at the threshold'
will do. just popped my 2nd dose this evening, il be at day 10 tm and will closely monitor myself. wont likely up my dose was just tempted
'Lurker at the threshold'
hey guys its day ten and im feeling good! last night was hell was like in a furnace wast sweating bad, i was out last night withyn my buds checking out the local bar scenes. outdoors was bad, indoors was cool. everyone last night has commented on how much weight i lost and that i look more athletic and fit. that made my day and i have more to look forward to being im only halfway done with my cycle.
i noticed i had a sore throat in the middle of the night but it dissaperead when i woke up. also woke up around 3am and was shocked that my lips and throat were dry so i amply pounded the h20.
i defintely look leaner, i have abs but the water retention factor might be hiding some of my gains. should be interesting to see the way i look now without the water. will have an update later!
'Lurker at the threshold'
darn the compliments have been pouring left and right! friends i havent seen in a month have all complimented me on my quick transformation. i am so visibly leaner right now and might even be better if you take into account the water retention.
i weighed myself and i have lost an additional 4.5 lbs. that brings my total to around 7-8 lbs of pure fat. i cant beleive this stuff. what makes it more encouraging is that im halfway done and still going to shed more fat. i have gotten so used to the heat that i dont even notice it unless i am out doors. i also havent gotten any irritation in my bowels or eyesight, guess im lucky. i am just wondering how long can dnp effectively burn the fat? its gotta plateu at some point?
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Beautiful, good job man.
'Lurker at the threshold'
today is pretty hot. been walking around outdoors for work and i have to say, doing any physical seems like such an effort. walking up stairs, walking to the bathroom is like a major hassle. also noticed that i have been getting "shortness of breath" more frequent now but it aint too bad.
i have to say, thank god for dry-fit shirts that absorb all the sweat. diet has been very strict and i think thats one of the reasons why i am losing fat more effectively than others. tom is a cheat day and looking forward to the pizza, burgers and chinese
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waking up today, i feel like i have no energy or motivation. only looking forward to todays cheat meals. was quite shocked to notice that i had red blotches on both my upper arms and upper pecs, i think they are hives. i popped some anti-alergy meds but its weird.
im wondering if this allergy is related to the dnp? if i was allergic shouldnt i have exhibited the symptoms way , way before? also my skin is not itchy at all. i will observe this closely today.
dont think i will be working out today. could barely even muster some energy to do am cardio. also my muscles are totally depleted of glycogen. they look extremely flat.
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are you looking any leaner now?
Have you ever considered using phosphatidylcholine? I'm going to with my dnp to destroy the trouble areas so fat doesn't build up there anymore.
Even when my bf% gets nice and low, i have these fat pockets on my love handles and lower abdomen. even at like 7% they are there.
'Lurker at the threshold'
defintely feel much better today. i stopped the dnp last night becasue of my very high blood pressure. to continue would have meant flirting with certain disaster. i will just wait til the dnp is out of my system. Got my bp checked today and it was 131/51 vs. 198/70.
i am wondering why i felt ok from day 1-10. after that it seems that my body "felt" like it was deteriorating. shortness of breath, cough, cold, sore throat, flu like symptoms, cold sweats and a very irritable temper were some of the symptoms. all i could say that to continue would be playing with my life. not worth it just to look good.
Iam thinking since i felt good from day 1-10 maybe it would be possible for me to do another short cycle in a couple of weeks. i plan on doing a 2 one week stints. i will also be closely monitoring temps and bp regularly. from my 12 day experience i can say that dnp can be taken safely as long as you pay attention to how your body feels. do not think that your body can ride the wave. be wise and listen to your body.
'Lurker at the threshold'
2 days after i stop i still feel some dnp. still feel some minor, minor heat and shortness of breath. i was planning on doing an eca stack tom but decided to postpone it til sunday and give the dnp a couple of more days to get out of my system.
ive more or less gauged what my body can handle. im just wondering if i could have lasted more on the dnp if i kept my dose lower? also am curious if it was the duration or the dosage that finally led me to quit on day 12? these are questions i need answered for my peace of mind
will do another round of dnp in 2 weeks. this time im limiting it to around 8 days.
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it was probably the duration w/dose after a week or so at 400mg you get somewhere around 1g + of DNP in your blood thats where i started to feel like crap.. i've kept my level near the 800mg mark for my run now at day 15 and i feel fine, getting a lil tired of sweating but its nothing i cant hadle i'll be upping my dose to 400mg/24hrs as aposed to the every 36hrs that i've been doing for the last 2 weeks that should get my DNP up kinda high i'll probably feel like crap but thursday but then its just one more day and i'll be done for a while2 days after i stop i still feel some dnp. still feel some minor, minor heat and shortness of breath. i was planning on doing an eca stack tom but decided to postpone it til sunday and give the dnp a couple of more days to get out of my system.
ive more or less gauged what my body can handle. im just wondering if i could have lasted more on the dnp if i kept my dose lower? also am curious if it was the duration or the dosage that finally led me to quit on day 12? these are questions i need answered for my peace of mind
will do another round of dnp in 2 weeks. this time im limiting it to around 8 days.
'Lurker at the threshold'
yup that probably explains it, the dose +duration was too much for me tom handle. well it was an extreme learning experience for me, at least i now know the limits of my body. great to know your still fine, before you know it youl be done. good luck bro
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12 days is a decent DNP cycle and youve lost 7-8 pounds which is pretty good , nice job since it accumulates in your body you probably could have lowered the dosage and lost alittle sides but with BP that high and starting to lose your breath losing a extra pound or two wouldnt have been worth the consiquencies that could of had happened , usually when people get better used to DNP ive heard of losing 10-15 pounds of fat in 2 weeks
'Lurker at the threshold'
yup yup! i lost around 7 lbs in 12 days that is more than decent. i wanted to extend but it was not worth it. i will take a 2 week break and do another cycle in 2 weeks but this time il keep it to around 8 days.
as to your comment on people losing more when their used to dnp, what do you mean? you mean on my 2nd or 3rd dnp cycle my body will be more used to dnp and more efficiently burn fat as compared to my 1st?
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what i mean by that is when you get it downpacked ie. dosage perfected up to to 600mg , training perfected , diet perfected , timing , to DNP use , then your results will be better than when you first started because you will be using it to its full potential
'Lurker at the threshold'
forgot to mention. rem those hives i mentioned in day 12? apparently they were some form of airborne virus that gives you rashes all over your body no fever no itching, dr. said it would dissapear in a couple of days.. its gone now, but coz of it i have a nice instant tan all over my body. its like i went to the beach. its strange but i aint complaining.
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you're just a freak
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the dnp will give you hives. it is an histamine build up that can be battled by taking benydrl everynight before bed. check on meso-rx there are alot of posts about it, by -H- and other users. the generation II caps have an antihistamine in them but I don't think its enough.
'Lurker at the threshold'
that makes sense bro about dnp concentrations building up. got the hives at day 12. would have never thought it was from the dnp they are all gone now but left my a nice even tan all around my body. its weird. i dint take benadryl at all. next time i will but i stopped coz of my ridiculously high bp.
'Lurker at the threshold'
been 4 days since i stopped dnp and still my muscles look flat. holding water as well, how long does it normally take before muscles get full again and you shed all visible water?
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4-7 days I believe. Have you carbed up?
'Lurker at the threshold'
had a cheat day last mon lotta carbs. as of the moment i just get my carbs from pwo, ppwo and breakfast on my workout days. non workout days i just have one carb meal usually breakfast.
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here is some more info that might help you on your next run at it
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Boasting an astounding 50% increase in metabolic rate, DNP is the most effective fat burner that bodybuilders are using today to melt away the last amounts of diet resilient fat on their physiques. For comparison purposes, the ECA stack, which is also a highly effective fat loss tool, produces only a 3% increase in metabolic rate. Athletes reporting fat losses of 10-12 pounds in 8 days of use have further added to the DNP mystique. However, DNP is also the deadliest substance used in bodybuilding - so deadly, that it has killed athletes including one member of Elite Fitness.
In this issue of Elite Fitness News, I?ll tell you more about DNP, share the precautions you should take if you decide to use it, and give you the reasons why you should avoid it in favor of other diet drugs and supplements that are not nearly so dangerous.
DNP or 2,4-Dinitrophenol, (Pronounced die ni'tro fe' nolz) is an industrial chemical with various applications such as making dyes, wood preservatives, explosives, insect control substances, other chemicals, and as a photographic developer. Sold under several trade names, including Caswell No. 392, Sulfo Black B, and Nitro Kleenup, DNP has recently gained steady popularity as a fat loss tool.
DNP was used in diet pills in the 1930s, but was banned for this use in 1938. Classified as an "uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation," medically, DNP is quite dangerous. You see, the body has no negative feedback system that may deal with overdoses. Specifically, there is no upper limit to the increase in body temperature that may be obtained with DNP?s use.
The following article combines several theories to form what is perhaps the single best way to cycle DNP for maximum fat-loss benefits. As I mentioned earlier, DNP can be deadly and I would never use it myself nor would I ever recommend that anyone ingest it. The casual use of DNP for dieting is ridiculous. Hearing reports of athletes using DNP before trying a Cyclical Ketogenic Diet, legal diet supplements, and medically supervised weight loss drugs is crazy. Here are a few links to effective weight loss supplements, drugs, and strategies that are much safer than DNP and are certainly a much better alternative for all but the most elite bodybuilders.
That said, if an athlete makes the personal decision to use DNP, it is possible to take precautions to maximize its benefits and minimize the potential risks.
The 7-day DNP fat loss inferno cycle:
The 7-day DNP fat loss inferno cycle involves a moderate to high dosage of DNP for fat burning. The DNP fat loss inferno involves a 7-day on, 7-day off approach with four distinct phases. Most athletes using DNP follow this type of cycle. The phases are as follows:
Phase 1: The 3-day Carb-Depletion Phase.
Phase 2: The 1-day Thyroxine (T3) Re-normalization Phase.
Phase 3: The 14-day DNP Inferno Phase.
Phase 4: The 2-day Post-DNP Phase.
Phase 1. The 3-day Carb-depletion phase
Phase One has a three-day duration and begins the four days preceding the ingestion of DNP. The purpose of this phase is to deplete muscle-glycogen content by restricting carbohydrates. This is achieved through a Ketogenic style diet.
Kcals should be restricted to 10-12 times bodyweight in lbs. And carbohydrates should be restricted to less than 60g/day. Protein is consumed at 1 gram per pound of bodyweight or higher and the remaining dietary calories should come from fat.
This phase lasts exactly 3 days, and will reduce muscle-glycogen levels so that the body is forced to rely on fat as fuel more readily when you start your DNP cycle.
Phase 2 The 1-day Thyroxine (T3) Re-normalization Phase
This is a new concept for DNP dieting. During the past three days, the athlete has restricted carbohydrates and as a direct consequence T4-T3 conversion is slowed down resulting in reduced T3 levels. This is bad for the DNP phase, as you need enough active T3 to last throughout the entire 7-day on DNP phase.
Day four of the DNP cycle involves a mega-carbohydrate meal at mid-afternoon (4-6PM) designed to create a massive insulin spike and re-normalize T4-T3. This concept has been extrapolated from ketogenic diets and has been shown to dramatically increase serum concentrations of T3.
Day 4 involves Keto eating until the Mega-carb meal. Then in the late afternoon, at least circa 250g of carbohydrates must be consumed to create an insulin spike. Any sugar (fructose, sucrose, maltose etc.) is fair game. Fructose in particular is good because it primarily re-fills liver glycogen which is directly involved in T4-T3 conversion. (Empty liver glycogen signals the thyroid to decrease T4-T3 conversion).
As a side-note, a 250g carb-meal after three days of Keto dieting creates a more pronounced insulin spike than would a 250g carb-meal after three days of normal eating.
Kcals during Phase 2 should be kept at 15X Bodyweight in lbs. Macro-nutrient break-downs can be calculated by the athlete. The only carb intake on day 4 should be the 250g carb-meal.
Phase 3 The 14-Day DNP Phase
The first two days of actual DNP consumption are the most important to follow correctly. During Days 1 and 2 of the actual DNP portion of the cycle, it must be determined if the athlete will have an allergic reaction to DNP.
Day 1: 200 mg of DNP is ingested
Day 2: 200 mg of DNP is ingested
At this point the dieter should be able to assess if an allergic reaction has occurred. A DNP-stimulated allergic reaction will lead to swelling in as little as 1 to 2 days time. Approximately 10% of athletes will have such a reaction. The unfortunate few who experience this type of a reaction must terminate the cycle immediately. Benadryl or Ketotifen (Anti-histamines) can be used to treat mild symptoms. Obviously a doctor should be consulted should the symptoms prove more severe.
Day 3: Dieters making it to day 3 of the DNP phase have the option of increasing their dosage. The normal dosage for beginners is 400mg DNP/day. Even an amount this small should provide outstanding results. A word of caution. DO NOT TAKE MORE, if you are not experienced with DNP-use. More advanced users may chose to go higher based on past experience.
The 400mg/day dosage is maintained from Day 3 through Day 9(Exactly 7 days). The last dose is taken on Day 9.
Supplementation and Nutritional Protocol for a DNP cycle:
1. An ECA stack is beneficial while on a DNP cycle as it as it acts as an anorectant. DNP raises Neuro-peptide Y levels in the brain, which is directly linked to increased hunger. Consuming 75-100mg total of ephedrine alkaloids/day should be sufficient to suppress appetite. PPA (Nor-ephedrine) should NOT be used as it causes lethargy when combined with DNP.
2. Anti-oxidants. Due to the DNP induced rapid combustion of fats, free-radical production skyrockets up-wards. To combat this, anti-oxidants must be used. Anti-oxidants are the single most important supplement to take on a DNP cycle.
a) Fat-soluble Anti-O: Vitamin E: 1000mgs/day
b) Water-soluble Anti-O: Vitamin C: 2-3g/day
c) Alpha Lipoic acid: 600-1000mgs/day
Dual-anti-oxidant: BOTH fat & water-soluble actually re-cycles other anti-oxidants.
3. Glycerol: Although optional, glycerol is often consumed at 15ml's 3X/day. Glycerol increases hydration for many athletes.
No additional supplements are really required other than these three. All the rest you have read in various DNP articles are more for peace of mind than improved functionality. I consider them overkill.
4. Water: Not a supplement, but an absolute necessity.
DNP causes sweating and can be incredibly dehydrating. Dehydration is the NUMBER ONE cause of most DNP problems and deaths. Excessive dehydration results in over-heating. Dieters who do not replenish fluids properly while on a DNP cycle could die. The consensus among athletes is that at least two gallons of water must be consumed daily.
5. EAT FRUIT while on your DNP cycle.
Fruit for some reason has been found to greatly reduce the lethargy associated with a DNP cycle. It also has a high water content, therefore it helps to keep the dieter hydrated. Watermelon is an obvious recommendation.
6. Dietary intake: There are several schools of thought on this matter, but sticking to the old standard always works.
Kcals should be kept anywhere from 10-15X Bodyweight in lbs. Macro-nutrient break-downs should be kept at around 20% fat, 30% protein and 50% carbs. (Changing the ratios in favor of more carbs and protein w/ less fat will result in a more fat loss but nothing special. Also, remember that more carbohydrates means more heat.)
Take for example the 220 lb (100 kg) bodybuilder. He would consume anywhere from 2200 to 3300Kcal /day (Depending on his appetite control).
WHAT NOT TO DO on a DNP cycle.
a) Do not under any circumstances consume alcohol or ANY type of diuretic while on a DNP cycle. Alcohol and diuretics will dehydrate you and can cause SERIOUS problems.
b) Do not remain in a hot environment without replenishing fluid loss due to perspiration. This too can also cause SERIOUS problems.
c) Do not begin with a high dosage of DNP if you are a novice. This is just asking for a trip to the ICU.
The half-life of 2,4 Dinitrophenol is 36 hours. So, after 36 hours, there is only 50% of the DNP remaining in your system. Therefore, 72 hours later 25% remains. Then 12.5% remains after 108 hours. After 5 days (120 hours), there's roughly 9% of the DNP left in your body that you had on Day 9. This DNP concentration is low-enough to allow you to begin Phase 4 of the cycle -- the 2-day Post-DNP phase -- without compromising glycogen synthesis rates. Kcals during Days 10-14 should remain the same as during days 3-9.
Phase 4: The 2 day Post DNP Phase.
The whole purpose of this phase is to get muscle-glycogen levels back to normal. The Ketogenic carb-up can be used as a sort of template for this phase.
After Phases two and three, muscle-glycogen levels are depressed and need to be replenished.
Day 15: Carb-intake should be 7g/Kg of LBM (lean body mass = bodyweight minus body fat.) So assuming a 220 lb bodybuilder has 0% body fat, lol, he would consume 700 g of Carbs. Protein-intake remains at 1g/lb and fat is restricted as low as possible.
The focus on day 1 should be on High-GI foods like Fat-free Ice-cream and all the other non-fat high sugar desserts. Calories should be around 4000 for the 220-lb bodybuilder -- in other words, 18X bodyweight in lbs.
Drastically restricting fat is CRITICAL here, as the body is still burning fat for fuel as you replenish your glycogen stores. In essence, the dieter is still losing fat while carbing up.
Day 16: Muscle-glycogen has increased, so carb-intake should be decreased from day one?s 7g/Kg to only 5g/Kg of LBM. That would be 500g for our 220-lb bodybuilder. Protein is 1g/lb again. Fat remains as low as possible. Kcals for the dieter are reduced to 3000 Kcal range, or around 14X Bodyweight in lbs. The focus of Day 2 should be low-GI foods like vegetables, milk, lean meats etc.
Additional Precautions:
Dieters feeling extremely nauseated or who vomit during a cycle should discontinue use immediately and not restart for at least 36 hours.
Dieters should carry a pocket thermometer at all times. If body temperature rises above 102 Fahrenheit then the dosage should be lowered or the cycles should be terminated. Additionally, the dieter should take a very cold bath to lower the temperature.
In addition to water, V8 juice should be consumed. Drinking gallons of water depletes the body of electrolytes pretty badly predisposing the dieter to shock, nausea, lethargy, and even death. V8 is the best for replenishing electrolytes as it contains 950mg of potassium per 8oz compared to Gatorade?s 35mg of potassium in 8oz.
Massive amounts of fruits and sweets should be consumed if one becomes nauseated or vomits - i.e. force feed yourself.
Dieters should never allow themselves to become overheated on a DNP cycle. Always stay next to a fan and keep the air conditioner on. Do not attempt a DNP cycle if you work out doors in a warm climate or another warm environment like a kitchen. Even at low doses this can build up and be potentially dangerous.
There are two versions of DNP - regular and crystalline. Know which one you are taking. When taking the crystalline DNP caps, never take more than 200mg at once if you've never used it before. Even if you are used to it, it is still much safer to spread the dosage throughout the day. Crystalline DNP is much faster acting and can rapidly elevate temperature.
Post-Steroid Cycle Use of DNP
One of the primary causes of muscle breakdown after a steroid cycle is suppressed TSH. Anabolic steroids suppress TSH, which in turn lowers T3 and T4 production by the thyroid gland. The reduction in TSH is one reason that anabolic steroids are such excellent muscle builders.
Soon after the completion of a steroid cycle, TSH up-regulates, which in turn super-stimulates the thyroid. This excess stimulation causes the thyroid to produce above normal levels of T3 and T4. This increase in thyroid hormones is highly catabolic and is the main reason why people lose muscle post-cycle.
Athletes have learned that they need to restrict T3 production post cycle to prevent muscle loss. A novel approach to achieving this goal is the use of DNP. About 80% of the body?s endogenous T3 is produced from the metabolically inactive T4 to the metabolically active T3. The de-iodinase enzyme is responsible for this conversion. It literally cleaves off an iodine molecule.
By ingesting 200mg DNP/day, the athlete can correct the over stimulated Thyroid, returning T3 levels back to normal. DNP directly blocks the production of T3 from T4 via the de-iodinase enzyme.
As a bonus, the reduction in your ATP stores because of the DNP is counter acted by an increase in the oxidation of triglycerides as an energy source. The benefit is the elimination of any potential fat-gain from the low post-cycle testosterone levels. And as DNP is non-hormonal, it has no effect on HPTA recovery.
After cessation of DNP use post-cycle, the athlete will reap the benefits of the "Anabolic Rebound Effect" which further lends credence to the use of DNP as a post-cycle ancillary for the elimination of any post-cycle muscular losses.
Macro?s DNP Supplements
200mg alpha lipoic acid 3x a day with meals
1200-1500mg magnesium in 2-3 divided doses.
2-3000mg vitamin C
1200IU of vitamin E
200mcg of selenium.
1000-2000mg of calcium (can?t take it with the magnesium, though. Take it before bed)
Melatonin if you can?t sleep and it is also one of the best and cheapest anti-oxidants.
50mg of zinc a day
one iron tab as hemoglobin is a protein as well.
A potassium gluconate tab or two a day
Taurine at 3g a day.
Glutamine at 15g-20g a day .
1 table spoon glycerol 3 x a day
at least 2 gallons of water
a fan to point at your head while sleeping- or at work- basically anytime you can point a fan at you
500mg grapeseed extract
300mg cranberry extract
600-900mg of green tea
a good mulit vitamin
EC+1g of tyrosine 3x per day and 20mg of yohimbine topically 2x per day- for added energy and fat burning effects
'Lurker at the threshold'
thanks bro, lotta useful information!
'Lurker at the threshold'
Ive been off dnp since sunday but i still have a hard time waking up and still get shortness of breath. there still dnp in my system?
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"After 5 days (120 hours), there's roughly 9% of the DNP left in your body that you had on Day 9."
Someone stated at Meso that dnp stays in you system for about 21 days(traces). Not sure how accurate that is but I would say a decent amount would be in there for at least a week IMO.
'Lurker at the threshold'
yup thats what i figured. thanks!
'Lurker at the threshold'
had a really great workout today. only noticed that their is some residual heat in my body. my muscles are finally full again and all i can say is that i have never looked so define. my muscles are nice and shapely and i have also become vascular.
for my 2nd go which is on monday, wondering if i really need to carb deplete coz was really looking forward to cheat day on sunday. hoping on finally losing my lower gut, my top abdomen is already nice and shapely. ive lost a total of 9.5 lbs. another 5-7 lbs would be perfect.
still have some fat pockets on my lovehandles and upper back. the dnp seems to ignore these areas. weird.
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