Biggest 'natural' on here?

[LeanMeOut]

All he needs is to diet down a little... six meals a day... once every 3 hours... cut out the refined carbs moderate protein and healthy fats... throw in some cardio and that should do it!

For once I agree with you on something. But still bro why do you keep posting your pics when all that is going to happen is a flame war? You should know by now this board will never tolerate you lol

[*Narkissos*]

All he needs is to diet down a little... six meals a day... once every 3 hours... cut out the refined carbs moderate protein and healthy fats... throw in some cardio and that should do it!

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The closest you've come to giving advice... If you continued along this line (and posted thumbnails) that'd be cool.

[alphaman]

All he needs is to diet down a little... six meals a day... once every 3 hours... cut out the refined carbs moderate protein and healthy fats... throw in some cardio and that should do it!

You were pushing a keto diet the last time I can remember. And it looks like you shrunk in your recent pics. Natty, huh?

[yikes!!]

Andre, what are those two things near your waist in your pics(top pics)....it looks like you are about to get a double shot of juice from your automatic syringe-pins in your midsection.....haha

[Rob]

Andre, what are those two things near your waist in your pics(top pics)....it looks like you are about to get a double shot of juice from your automatic syringe-pins in your midsection.....haha

there urinals...

[Andre Avigdor]

What the heck are you talking about?!? There is hole in my under shirt... I am trying to go for the Mike Katz Pumping Iron look

[Odin]

Not to sound picky or anything but their seems to be some serious thread hijacking going on here, Andre why are you posting more pic's of yourself than the guy who started this thread, unless he gave you permission. If I started a thread in the members pictues forum and someone started posting pic's I would demand that a modertor delete them and tell the guy to start his own thread!

[Andre Avigdor]

Not to sound picky or anything but their seems to be some serious thread hijacking going on here, Andre why are you posting more pic's of yourself than the guy who started this thread, unless he gave you permission. If I started a thread in the members pictues forum and someone started posting pic's I would demand that a modertor delete them and tell the guy to start his own thread!

Read the title of the thread... "Biggest 'natural' on here?" My photos are part of my response as to what we define as big!

If the original poster asks me to remove my pics I will...

[Odin]

Read the title of the thread... "Biggest 'natural' on here?" My photos are part of my response as to what we define as big!

If the original poster asks me to remove my pics I will...

Well you could have gave a link too your pictures on your web site instead of giving 7 full blowen up pictures, BTW nice Polk audio sound system, their the nicest sounding speakers in the world. No flaming JMO, but you do look good in the pic's.

[IntensityX]

Andre you got a lot of gaul posting your **** pics in someone else's thread no one asked you too including the original poster so go spam your pics somewhere else

By the way Viking looking really thick there bro

[Andre Avigdor]

Well you could have gave a link too your pictures on your web site instead of giving 7 full blowen up pictures, BTW nice Polk audio sound system, their the nicest sounding speakers in the world. No flaming JMO, but you do look good in the pic's.

Thanks I just sold my house... the people that bought liked my home theatre so much that they bought all my AV gear... I am now starting from scratch... so I don't know what I am going to replace them with...

From now on, I am gonna either post thumbs or links...

[spkmania]

[spkmania]

here we go again.....

[viking_warrior_2k]

I can see we've got some lively discussion going on. I'm staying out of the b.s. and just being appreciative of the feedback from you serious guys. I just wanted feedback on my pics - and thanks to all who've posted. I'm really stoked about doing my first cycle. Like I said, I'd only done one vial of cypianate - 10mL - about 2 years ago and I didn't use it properly, so I didn't even see any results. Therefore I feel ok about calling myself a "natural" when compared to a lot of real juicers on here because I've had better results with creatine then I did with my mis-used vial of cypianate. Hope the 'natural' comment didn't offend anyone that is truly natural.

When I was a senior in high school I weighed 200lb., could run the 40 yeard dash in 4/7 sec., and could bench over 320lb. Over the years I've put on the unwanted weight that comes with age and am just now turning to juice to help get off the fat. I'm one of those naturally thick guys and am really looking forward to actually seeing my six pack. Just a wierd side-note... this weekend my dad fell off an 8ft. ladder and landed on his head - [/I]on the sidewalk - [I]and didn't break any bones nor had any blackouts. Hell, I hope I got his toughness. He could have broken his neck! Ol' man gave me some good genes.

Andre, nothing personal, but you are pretty well developed for a 'natural'. I'm not saying you aren't, but the odds are against you, bro'. I'm no juice specialist, but I have been around the gym on and off through the years to know that it takes a hell of a lot of work and incredible genetics to get into your kind of shape naturally. Again, maybe you are a natural, but if you're just trying to get some attention, start your own thread.

Just so ya'll know, I studied the ISSA course to get certified as a personal trainer. I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to health and nutrition, but my 'roid knowledge is limited. As far as my workouts over the past 2 years, I've usually held to 2 ons and 1 off (chest -1, legs - 2, off, back & bis -1, shoulders & tris - 2, off). My diet has been good, but more often than not too much intake of the good foods, therefore I haven't burned fat that I should have been. But my goal has been to get strong, develop my musculature, and after a couple of years hard work, start my first true cycle. This is where I'm at now. My goal hasn't been to get shredded, but to get strong and build muscle naturally in order to better handle when I do a cycle or series of cycles. So, for all you guys busting my ass for not being shredded, hey, water off a duck's back.

Give me a couple of months to get cut up, and I think I'll rival some of the best guys on here. Love the board, and am looking forward to more helpful and informative discussion. As for you insecure guys who throw insults around, well, here's a little story...

The Queen of England is said to have been visiting a foreign country once, and while in the court of the other country's ruler, a lively and unruly dog began barking viciously towards the Queen. Later, one of the Queen's bodyguards asked the queen, "Why didn't you request us to do something about that noisy dog?" The queen answered, "I'm a queen. Only a dog would bark back at a dog."

Get the point?

[Andre Avigdor]

I can see we've got some lively discussion going on. I'm staying out of the b.s. and just being appreciative of the feedback from you serious guys. I just wanted feedback on my pics - and thanks to all who've posted. I'm really stoked about doing my first cycle. Like I said, I'd only done one vial of cypianate - 10mL - about 2 years ago and I didn't use it properly, so I didn't even see any results. Therefore I feel ok about calling myself a "natural" when compared to a lot of real juicers on here because I've had better results with creatine then I did with my mis-used vial of cypianate. Hope the 'natural' comment didn't offend anyone that is truly natural.

When I was a senior in high school I weighed 200lb., could run the 40 yeard dash in 4/7 sec., and could bench over 320lb. Over the years I've put on the unwanted weight that comes with age and am just now turning to juice to help get off the fat. I'm one of those naturally thick guys and am really looking forward to actually seeing my six pack. Just a wierd side-note... this weekend my dad fell off an 8ft. ladder and landed on his head - [/I]on the sidewalk - [I]and didn't break any bones nor had any blackouts. Hell, I hope I got his toughness. He could have broken his neck! Ol' man gave me some good genes.

Andre, nothing personal, but you are pretty well developed for a 'natural'. I'm not saying you aren't, but the odds are against you, bro'. I'm no juice specialist, but I have been around the gym on and off through the years to know that it takes a hell of a lot of work and incredible genetics to get into your kind of shape naturally. Again, maybe you are a natural, but if you're just trying to get some attention, start your own thread.

Just so ya'll know, I studied the ISSA course to get certified as a personal trainer. I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to health and nutrition, but my 'roid knowledge is limited. As far as my workouts over the past 2 years, I've usually held to 2 ons and 1 off (chest -1, legs - 2, off, back & bis -1, shoulders & tris - 2, off). My diet has been good, but more often than not too much intake of the good foods, therefore I haven't burned fat that I should have been. But my goal has been to get strong, develop my musculature, and after a couple of years hard work, start my first true cycle. This is where I'm at now. My goal hasn't been to get shredded, but to get strong and build muscle naturally in order to better handle when I do a cycle or series of cycles. So, for all you guys busting my ass for not being shredded, hey, water off a duck's back.

Give me a couple of months to get cut up, and I think I'll rival some of the best guys on here. Love the board, and am looking forward to more helpful and informative discussion. As for you insecure guys who throw insults around, well, here's a little story...

The Queen of England is said to have been visiting a foreign country once, and while in the court of the other country's ruler, a lively and unruly dog began barking viciously towards the Queen. Later, one of the Queen's bodyguards asked the queen, "Why didn't you request us to do something about that noisy dog?" The queen answered, "I'm a queen. Only a dog would bark back at a dog."

Get the point?

Thanks for calling me developed I threw my pictures into the mix cause I thought you where asking a question... and wanted to use myself as an example... sorry for the hijacking and I don't mean any disrespect. I am in a very simmilar boat to you, I spent the last 8 years working on building mass and only got real serious with my diet 2 years ago... now I am smaller than I was before (255lbs to 200lbs) but I feel better and more muscular... It does not take drugs for someone with decent genetics and a strong work ethic to get to 200lbs just under 10%BF at 5,10"... You already have a ton of lean body mass, if/when you decide to 'cut-up' you will look like a whole new man...

And one final thing... no need to look back at what used to be able to do... we are both still young enough to say that the best is yet to come!

[beyonddriven]

I'm 32, 5'11", currently 260lb. (I know, way too much fat - put on at least 15lbs. from Thanksgiving to Christmas), but I think for natural size, I'm probably one of the biggest guys on here that I've seen. Comments on the pics are welcome. I'll be starting my first cycle of winni-depot to hopefully cut up a bit. Any comments or suggestions welcome. I'll be posting pics of my progress. I know my arms are massive for a natural, but I'm looking to balance everything. My legs are @ 27" at mid-thighs, calves, neck and bi's @ 18"- 19", and I won't say what my waist is. (oh, the shame of it all!!)

Ok, I'll be honest... I did 10mL of Cypianate 2 years ago. Does that count? Other than that, I'm all natural with the exception of creatine mono. Ya'll let me know what you think! Photos are from last week (red shirt) and 3 weeks ago via phone camera, both after upper body workouts and pumped.

If I were you I wouldnt take the winny at this point in time. It will work to a certain extent but not to its full potential untill you drop some serious weight. You have size for sure but you need to cut down a lot still. Stive to get around 10 to 12% and stop worrying about being the biggest for now anyway. This is JMO but what is the point of muscles if you cant see them(unless you are a competing powerlifter). Cut down and you will look great. Good luck man keep lifting

[got fina?]

Andre how many sites r u gonna get kicked from???? Bro stop telling everybody your natural. And stop trying to tuck your stomach into your pants.

[viking_warrior_2k]

Thanks for the advice, Beyonddriven. I actually do have an affinity towards powerlifting. My goals, however, are not to shred as quickly as possible, but to continue to get big while losing fat. Any suggestions on how to accomplish this in the best way are greatly appreciated!!! (I am truly a newbie...)

[Odin]

I would personaly run a regular 500mg Test E and 400MG EQ in a cycle. Since you have a little extra bodyfat, you might as well use it to your advatage and bulk with it. I always think any newbies first cycle should be a bulker, even if they are already big. I just see problems running winny alone bro. Your gonna get this feeling in your head that you should be getting stonger on AS and really try to add strength and Winny gonna end up getting you hurt.

1-14 Test Ethanate 500mg
1-13 EQ 400mg
Week 16 PCT
and keep Nolvdex on hand.
Then after adding your newly 20-25 new quality pounds then run a cutter about 2 months lattter.
1-8 Test prop 100mgED
1-8 Tren actate 75MGED

[viking_warrior_2k]

Thanks a mil, Odin. Owe ya one. Greatly appreciated.

[NoobJuice]

Your all small tatos

[viking_warrior_2k]

Meanwhile, what should I do with the winnie depot I've got coming in? Any recommended stacks to add to what I've already got coming?

[Odin]

Meanwhile, what should I do with the winnie depot I've got coming in? Any recommended stacks to add to what I've already got coming?

Save it for a cutter, Winny help's keep the sides down when used with tren.

[3Vandoo]

Im the biggest natural on here, yes I only use creatine, HMB! YES thats it and ultimate orange of course, with some HOT STUFF!!!!!!!! yoohooo natural baby!!!!!!!

if someone arguing with me, im banning him

have a nice day

[Jackson111]

I don't think it makes any difference. If you can figure out how to get big naturally, fine. If you can figure out how to get really, really, really big on drugs, it takes even more planning and intelligence.

If you are just sort of big, and juiced that doesn't mean anything, but still everyone will respect you, and a lot more women will want you.

A lot of people DO NOT know how to get the most out of performance enhancing drugs.

Its all the same really, the limits of the human body are there though. You have a different level for a person who is totally lifetime drug free, a different level for people on low dosages of just steroids, then you have people who never take any supplements, and then you have the people who have taken everything you can imagine. Bottom line is who is strongest in the world? The guys who have taken the most, and have the most well planned drug program.

Thats my opinion, if you want to say its genetics and drugs and hard work I agree to some extent. But I think it boils down to the most effective training and drug program.

[Elysium]

Haha ive just noticed all these noobs joining in the discussion bashing Andrea Avigpoor. If you dont know the guys history then i suggest you stay out of it.

[BillyJr]

Haha ive just noticed all these noobs joining in the discussion bashing Andrea Avigpoor. If you dont know the guys history then i suggest you stay out of it.

I understand he billboards his ass everywhere and he admited on one board that he used sustanon then edited after one of the members here got a link and his reponse was it was "hacked".

Other then that hes been several other places.. hes a big walking ego.

[Aussie-BigFella]

Viking...

Been over a month since this thread started, have you changed much in that time?

[tbody66]

In response to your question, I believe you are interested in finding out if you are the biggest non-steroid user who is posting pictures on this board. Then of course you admitted to using a couple of years ago. I believe that if you had been lifting during those two years you should definately look more like someone who lifts. You are obviously a large individual, but IMO I would think you would want to have a body that looks more muscular.

On the Andre note, I also thought he was kicked off of here and don't care to see his same old pics on any thread, most especially not his own.

[viking_warrior_2k]

Thanks for asking, Aussie..., Lately my strength has gone up, as I've only been hitting my legs and chest once per week with various other exercises involved, but I've been hitting my sets really hard and intense, upping my sets and poundages, and lowering my reps. Obviously, more "power-lifting" than bodybuilding.

In an unrelated note, a psychic just told my girlfriend, "your boyfriend is super intense!" Hehe, I'm getting recognition from someone I haven't even met! Anyway, I haven't started a cycle yet, but as long as I'm making gains, I'm not worried about it.

As I've been lifting more power moves lately. My weight has gone up to 270lb., but I'm not too concerned as long as I'm getting stronger. I had 1000+lb. on the leg press last week doing multiple sets for reps, so I'm feeling pretty good about my progress. I don't think I've hit my peak stage as far as strength goes, so I'm going to continue on with my power moves, and maybe come summer I'll do a cycle. Heck, I may forgo the whole bodybuilding aspect and just kick some a** in the power-lifting school.

[Mealticket]

Thanks for asking, Aussie..., Lately my strength has gone up, as I've only been hitting my legs and chest once per week with various other exercises involved, but I've been hitting my sets really hard and intense, upping my sets and poundages, and lowering my reps. Obviously, more "power-lifting" than bodybuilding.

In an unrelated note, a psychic just told my girlfriend, "your boyfriend is super intense!" Hehe, I'm getting recognition from someone I haven't even met! Anyway, I haven't started a cycle yet, but as long as I'm making gains, I'm not worried about it.

As I've been lifting more power moves lately. My weight has gone up to 270lb., but I'm not too concerned as long as I'm getting stronger. I had 1000+lb. on the leg press last week doing multiple sets for reps, so I'm feeling pretty good about my progress. I don't think I've hit my peak stage as far as strength goes, so I'm going to continue on with my power moves, and maybe come summer I'll do a cycle. Heck, I may forgo the whole bodybuilding aspect and just kick some a** in the power-lifting school.

You need to CUT....you havent put on 10 lbs of muscle. Get your diet in check. Be serious w/ yourself. It's cool that you're doing what you're doing but unless you want the (big guy, overweight and bloated look) you need to cut down before even thinking bout AS

[Aussie-BigFella]

No worries Viking, thanks for the update.

I to have found more "natural" strength with age, I only train each b/part once per week with great intensity,basic and heavy.

I am considering doing a cycle within the next 3 months, first cycle, just interested to see what will happen then strip back some fat. Anyway best of luck.

BigFella

[simplyjakked]

i love when fat guys talk about the size they have. it is much more impressive to have 17" arms that have definition than 19" arms that dont move when flexed! being fat is not impressive just look around you at the mall (there is plenty of fat out there)!

[3Vandoo]

HEy Andre, how many Aerobic classes a day do you teach?

[SwoleCat]

HEy Andre, how many Aerobic classes a day do you teach?

LMFAO, I just saw this today!

~SC~

[HammerCurler]

who's your daddy?

andre is

[Monsoon says]

Your a big boy cut up and youll look nice.

[proboy1]

Come on dude, natural means "ALL NATURAL". Plus I know theres bigger stacked guys on here than you.

[Elysium]

people are still talkin bout this ish! lol!


andrea still alive or did he get too big from eating tuna and using crosstrainers?

[DrugsrGood]

claiming ur the biggest natural person on here then saying u did steroids is what u call contradicting....theres tons of natural big members on the board that dont post too much or have pictures, as for the members that tend to be regular posters, my vote is for swolecat....

Between me and you though...I dont think swolecat is 100% natural though...just a hunch...