Quote Originally Posted by Juddman
i just read this whole thread...an unfortunate situation for sure, i feel for you bro. i hate it when doctors just can't help you when you're not feeling well, or they just tell you it might be this or that and shoo you out of the office to leave you wondering and freaking out...

i hope it works out well for you bro..keep us posted
Yeah, I have grown to hate the word idiopathic. The frustrating part at the beginning of this is that both the specialist and my own doc asked if I took steroids. I have not and I told them that, but I do not think they believe me. I am not small; 6'2" 235 lbs with 19" arms - my forearms are almost 15" around, so no doubt they did not believe me. The specialist at one point asked if I had noticed any stretch marks. I moved the gown and showed the marks at my shoulders (between my pecs and my shoulders) and when my arm was hanging off the table with tris hanging off my arm, I got a sense of skepticism from the doc. I guess that was not the kind of stretch marks they were looking for. I have heard from others on this board that guys with low test really notice the boost from supplementation...I am psyched.