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[BASK8KACE]

what is the cause of your hypogonadism? if your testes were truly non functional, then the HCG would have had no effect, because all it does is mimic the chemical signal (LH) that tells your balls to start making test. if the problem is further upstream (pituitary) then Swales program of EOD hcg doses might help you live a more normal life.

I'm not flaming Swale, but PLEASE remember he is NOT a doctor. He's a guy on the internet with a following. My doctor is a specialist in HIV and AIDS so he has had tons of experience with prescribing steroids and HRT for wasting and various problems long before most doctors knew about HRT. I've talked to him about many HRT related issues.

Before anyone asks this stupid question: NO, I do not have HIV or AIDS. My doctor is an internal medical doctor who happens to specialize in this area. He also is one of the leaders in the medical field on HRT and has lectured other doctors around the world on several steroid, HRT related issues

Again: Swale has some good ideas, but he's NOT a doctor. So check with a doctor before you take a non-medical person's advice.

[MMA]

I'm not flaming Swale, but PLEASE remember he is NOT a doctor. He's a guy on the internet with a following. My doctor is a specialist in HIV and AIDS so he has had tons of experience with prescribing steroids and HRT for wasting and various problems long before most doctors knew about HRT. I've talked to him about many HRT related issues.

Before anyone asks this stupid question: NO, I do not have HIV or AIDS. My doctor is an internal medical doctor who happens to specialize in this area. He also is one of the leaders in the medical field on HRT and has lectured other doctors around the world on several steroid, HRT related issues

Again: Swale has some good ideas, but he's NOT a doctor. So check with a doctor before you take a non-medical person's advice.

i thought he was a DO? doesn't he prescribe drugs at his clinic?

[BASK8KACE]

i thought he was a DO? doesn't he prescribe drugs at his clinic?

I don't want to get into bashing SWALE. I think it's good that he has new ideas about HRT, and I believe he should share them with people. Having written that, let me write this too:

I was told that he's not a doctor. I may have been told incorrect information, but I've had to correct him at a different board more than once on the most shockingly basic issues that a doctor should know inside out. I always contacted him by PM in order to ensure he didn't feel attacked in the forums. To his credit, he always handled disucssions between us quite well.

I have a bit of a problem with people who don't share their true credentials with people--especially in a forum like this. If you're not a doctor but are familiar with information, say it clearly. Dont leave things to assumptions and imagination.

Again, I'm not bashing SWALE, It's just just have too much good information from a reputable source (my doctor, a specialist, whom I have described in a previous post).

[Ntpadude]

I like helping at this board--BUT WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY??

BASK8KACE

Okay, I'm calm now...

Oh you mean its not BasketCase???

Just kidding...

[Ntpadude]

I'm not flaming Swale, but PLEASE remember he is NOT a doctor. He's a guy on the internet with a following. My doctor is a specialist in HIV and AIDS so he has had tons of experience with prescribing steroids and HRT for wasting and various problems long before most doctors knew about HRT. I've talked to him about many HRT related issues.

Before anyone asks this stupid question: NO, I do not have HIV or AIDS. My doctor is an internal medical doctor who happens to specialize in this area. He also is one of the leaders in the medical field on HRT and has lectured other doctors around the world on several steroid, HRT related issues

Again: Swale has some good ideas, but he's NOT a doctor. So check with a doctor before you take a non-medical person's advice.

Incorrect... Swale is an Doctor in Michigan who is FDA approved to prescribe steroids. Although some could argue he is a "yes" doctor who likes to write scripts for steroids to body builders. He even has a protocol to take a bodybuilder currently taking steroids and convert them over to HRT. So makes me wonder why bother getting blood test for him, its going to be F.U. by still being on steroid cycle when being considered for TRT.

[BASK8KACE]

Incorrect... Swale is an Doctor in Michigan who is FDA approved to prescribe steroids. Although some could argue he is a "yes" doctor who likes to write scripts for steroids to body builders. He even has a protocol to take a bodybuilder currently taking steroids and convert them over to HRT. So makes me wonder why bother getting blood test for him, its going to be F.U. by still being on steroid cycle when being considered for TRT.

I was told he isn't a doctor and I easily believed it. During my conversations with him, I found that he doesn't know some very basic stuff a doctor should know. But, thank you for clearing this up. I'm surprised.

[SS1476]

BASK8KACE- <-------

This site is a valuable asset with U. Great job. I learned something from this thread...for sure.

MMA,

It's all good, I wasnt sure If I came off too rude. I completey understand what causes your frustration at times here.

Were all in the same boat....or something

[MMA]

BASK8KACE- <-------

This site is a valuable asset with U. Great job. I learned something from this thread...for sure.

MMA,

It's all good, I wasnt sure If I came off too rude. I completey understand what causes your frustration at times here.

Were all in the same boat....or something

it wasn't rude, i was out of line and you called me on it in a polite and respectful manner. that's how gentlemen settle their differences.

[MMA]

I don't want to get into bashing SWALE. I think it's good that he has new ideas about HRT, and I believe he should share them with people. Having written that, let me write this too:

I was told that he's not a doctor. I may have been told incorrect information, but I've had to correct him at a different board more than once on the most shockingly basic issues that a doctor should know inside out. I always contacted him by PM in order to ensure he didn't feel attacked in the forums. To his credit, he always handled disucssions between us quite well.

I have a bit of a problem with people who don't share their true credentials with people--especially in a forum like this. If you're not a doctor but are familiar with information, say it clearly. Dont leave things to assumptions and imagination.

Again, I'm not bashing SWALE, It's just just have too much good information from a reputable source (my doctor, a specialist, whom I have described in a previous post).

the human body is immensely complicated, and medecine is a huge field. you have a lot of knowledge of the part of the medical field you deal with, and even a doctor might not know your field as well as you do if he specializes in something else.

my understanding is that he is a DO, a Doctor of Osteopathy. i'm not sure if that is technically an MD, but like a psychiatrist, he can prescribe drugs and treat patients.

[MMA]

Incorrect... Swale is an Doctor in Michigan who is FDA approved to prescribe steroids. Although some could argue he is a "yes" doctor who likes to write scripts for steroids to body builders. .

he specificly refuses to write scrips for steroids beyond legit HRT dosages, which is worthless to serious bodybuilders.

what he is famous for is for prescribing to bodybuilders all the ancillary drugs that prevent the horrible side effects he might otherwise suffer. this is completely consistent with medical ethics, if you have a method to prevent your patients health problems,you're supposed to use it. he can't prevent these athletes from using steroids, but he can monitor their bloodwork and protect their health as best he can.

He even has a protocol to take a bodybuilder currently taking steroids and convert them over to HRT. So makes me wonder why bother getting blood test for him, its going to be F.U. by still being on steroid cycle when being considered for TRT.

are you absolutely sure about this info? it's new to me. he offered a program for people seeking legit HRT services, and he provided a seperate service for steroid athletes to have their bloodwork monitored by him, and recieve medications to prevent side effects and health complications.

and BTW - HRT is a completely legitimate treatment for any bodybuilder that has damaged his own ability to produce testosterone, as well as any older athlete with low test. just because you do the occasional cycle doesn't mean you should have to suffer from hypogonadal symptoms or abnormally low test when you're not cycling. this is a legit medical treatment for a legit medical problem.

NPTA -you have a lot of good info, but i hate it when people badmouth one of the very few people in the medical field that understands us and is truly concerned with preserving our health instead of feeding us bull**** and trying to get us to stop "abusing" steroids.

[BASK8KACE]

my understanding is that he is a DO, a Doctor of Osteopathy. i'm not sure if that is technically an MD, but like a psychiatrist, he can prescribe drugs and treat patients.

That makes more sense. But, I think you should check into it a bit further. I'm still not convinced he's earned a Ph.D. Perhaps he's a Chiropractor. In Canada a Chiropractor is referred to as a DO--I think. Based on my interaction with him, he seemed like a person that took a little knowledge and ran a bit to far with it. He's talking about HRT and has no idea about certain things a doctor should know when prescribing or suggesting methods of HRT. I wonder how the medical society would view his treatments.

Look up Osteopathy, then tell me whether someone who has focused on that area has any business practicing internal medicine.

I've said enough. Swale's a good guy--he has a loyal following. He has some great ideas, but people should be aware of his true credentials.

[BASK8KACE]

BASK8KACE- <-------

This site is a valuable asset with U. Great job. I learned something from this thread...for sure.

Thank you. I'm glad I could help.

[BASK8KACE]

Please let's not turn this into a bashing session. My mentioning this issue is only becasue someone brought up Swale's name and I felt that it was important to mention that his background--or area of study--does not seem to have given him the qualifications necessary to practice internal medicine. That's like a dentist suddently deciding he was going to start practicing his theories of HIV or Cancer treatment (using presciption medications) on patients who enter his office and have mentioned that they have HIV or Cancer.

Swale has some good ideas. Just be aware of his credentials.

Make sure that as you recieve information you take time to research on your own so you can determine who is giving you good information.

[BASK8KACE]

and BTW - HRT is a completely legitimate treatment for any bodybuilder that has damaged his own ability to produce testosterone, as well as any older athlete with low test. just because you do the occasional cycle doesn't mean you should have to suffer from hypogonadal symptoms or abnormally low test when you're not cycling. this is a legit medical treatment for a legit medical problem.

Actually, MMA, theres a debate going on in the medical community about this issue--whehter or not to prescribe certain HRT medications to steroid Abusers. Some say that it is irresponsible medicine to prescribe steroids--even for HRT--to someone who has a HISTORY of abusing steroids (in this context to abuse means to use steroids illegally). Some doctors feel that the topical gel (Androgel) and patches (Androderm) should be the only alternatives made available to former abusers--not injectibles.

Since many doctors just prescribe the medication and don't require the patients to be injected at the doctors office, this creates a problem. If there is no authority figure (doctor) holding on to the steroids and monitoring how the patient is using them, who can tell whether the steroid abuser won't RELAPSE and start using the HRT prescribed medication illegally (not as prescribed--such as by saving it up to use in large quantities)?

Just because you and most people here sympathize with steroid users, doesn't mean the automatically have a right to be prescribed steroids for HRT WITHOUT constant supervision.

Prescribing HRT without supervision to known steroid abusers is like trusting a known crack cocaine abuser with a ziplock bag full of crack cocaine. The fact that many people on this board save up thier HRT medications for abuse is clear evidence that this is a problem.

[crazed98]

Tomorrow I have an appiontment with my DO. I am getting RBC, lipids, HDL, LDL, Total test, liver enzymes, checked tomorrow. Anything else? I need to know cause it is at 12 noon.

[crazed98]

BASK8KACE, sorry about spelling your name wrong. Your input is valued by me in the way that you have helped me many times, and I am VERY greatfull. You still have the chest that I want, you bastard. I am starting to switch things up a bit, going to dumb bells, heavy weight less reps for 2 weeks then light weight many reps for 1 week. Throwing in fly's b4 every heavy set with the dumb bells. Its slowly workin, but your exactly what i want to look like!

[MMA]

Please let's not turn this into a bashing session. My mentioning this issue is only becasue someone brought up Swale's name and I felt that it was important to mention that his background--or area of study--does not seem to have given him the qualifications necessary to practice internal medicine. That's like a dentist suddently deciding he was going to start practicing his theories of HIV or Cancer treatment (using presciption medications) on patients who enter his office and have mentioned that they have HIV or Cancer.

Swale has some good ideas. Just be aware of his credentials.

Make sure that as you recieve information you take time to research on your own so you can determine who is giving you good information.

crazy88, could you clarify what a DO is?

[MMA]

Actually, MMA, theres a debate going on in the medical community about this issue--whehter or not to prescribe certain HRT medications to steroid Abusers. Some say that it is irresponsible medicine to prescribe steroids--even for HRT--to someone who has a HISTORY of abusing steroids (in this context to abuse means to use steroids illegally). Some doctors feel that the topical gel (Androgel) and patches (Androderm) should be the only alternatives made available to former abusers--not injectibles.

Since many doctors just prescribe the medication and don't require the patients to be injected at the doctors office, this creates a problem. If there is no authority figure (doctor) holding on to the steroids and monitoring how the patient is using them, who can tell whether the steroid abuser won't RELAPSE and start using the HRT prescribed medication illegally (not as prescribed--such as by saving it up to use in large quantities)?

Just because you and most people here sympathize with steroid users, doesn't mean the automatically have a right to be prescribed steroids for HRT WITHOUT constant supervision.

Prescribing HRT without supervision to known steroid abusers is like trusting a known crack cocaine abuser with a ziplock bag full of crack cocaine. The fact that many people on this board save up thier HRT medications for abuse is clear evidence that this is a problem.

which goes back to my original point about the dangers of letting your doc know you use juice. you can have your tests taken by your doc, and covered by your insurance, but have the results sent to someone like Swale or someone who really understands AS.

if you have a midcycle problem, your average doc wouldn't even let you use PCT products, he would just scream at you about the dangers of roids, and tell you to stop using everything immediately. and when you started suffering horrible effects from the lack of PCT, and started growing breasts and such, he would probably try to turn your suffering into some kind of morality play and say "these are the consequences of drug abuse". he wouldn't let you "abuse" other drugs with off label uses to prevent these effects.

[BASK8KACE]

BASK8KACE, sorry about spelling your name wrong. Your input is valued by me in the way that you have helped me many times, and I am VERY greatfull. You still have the chest that I want, you bastard. I am starting to switch things up a bit, going to dumb bells, heavy weight less reps for 2 weeks then light weight many reps for 1 week. Throwing in fly's b4 every heavy set with the dumb bells. Its slowly workin, but your exactly what i want to look like!

No problem. I'm glad I could help.

If you're looking for new training routines, check out DoggCrap's training manual. Do a search using the phrase "DoggCrap" or "DC TRAINING MANUAL "

Let me know if you cannot find it.

crazy88, could you clarify what a DO is?

I think he was joking about our discussion on SWALE being just a DO.

Tomorrow I have an appiontment with my DO. I am getting RBC, lipids, HDL, LDL, Total test, liver enzymes, checked tomorrow. Anything else? I need to know cause it is at 12 noon.

That's just about it. To put it in doc terms, ask for:
--CBC with DIFF & PLT
--Totoal Testosterone
--Free Testosterone
--Chem-Screen Panel + HDL (full lipid profile included)


You might want to specifically ask to include liver values. If your doc asks you why, tell him you want to stay on top of your health and this was suggested to you.

Best of luck!

[BASK8KACE]

which goes back to my original point about the dangers of letting your doc know you use juice. you can have your tests taken by your doc, and covered by your insurance, but have the results sent to someone like Swale or someone who really understands AS.

if you have a midcycle problem, your average doc wouldn't even let you use PCT products, he would just scream at you about the dangers of roids, and tell you to stop using everything immediately. and when you started suffering horrible effects from the lack of PCT, and started growing breasts and such, he would probably try to turn your suffering into some kind of morality play and say "these are the consequences of drug abuse". he wouldn't let you "abuse" other drugs with off label uses to prevent these effects.

If you send medical information to 3rd parties, make sure you remove your identification information such as social security number, address, and insurance ID number.

I had written a post a while ago titled: PICKING A DOCTOR: A quick guide for steroid users. Here's the link to the thread:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=121893

[MMA]

If you send medical information to 3rd parties, make sure you remove your identification information such as social security number, address, and insurance ID number.

I had written a post a while ago titled: PICKING A DOCTOR: A quick guide for steroid users. Here's the link to the thread:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=121893

thanks for the link, could be very useful.

i asked crazy because i think he is seeing a DO in addition to his endocrinologist

[crazed98]

DO= osteopathic. Family doc, the one you go to see when your feeling sick.

[BG]

If you disclose your drug use to the doctor, s/he has a responsibility to write it down (log it). Some insurance companies can deny you health benefits if you have any health issues that later can be traced to drug abuse. Although most people here don't consider themselves drug abusers, the truth is: if you're using steroids without a prescription for an existing, documented condition, then you're considered a drug abuser.

The doctor's report alone probably won't get you sent to jail, but it could cause problems for you and possibly used against you in a court of law depending on whether a good lawyer knows how to bring such evidence into play.

If you tell your doctor that you're dealing drugs or have committed crimes related to drugs, then--as I understand it--s/he is under no obligation to keep that secret. In fact, your doc may be under obligation to report you (as are therpists when they are told by a patient that a crime has been committed).

Basket your on the money, good job!