Deca Cycle First timeR

[sp9]

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[Tren Bull]

2 eggs? I don't care how much deca you inject, you are not going to grow without a proper diet. The calories HAVE TO BE THERE in excess of what you burn naturally through the day. 2 eggs...did you really say two eggs?

8am 1st meal I have 12 egg whites, stuffed into a quesadilla with four pieces of cheddar cheese, one green pepper and a tomato. I wash it down with a myoplex with 16 ounces of milk. That's breakfast!

Listen: you self-professed party boy, you don't know anything about AAS and it is not inate human knowledge. You have to learn it.

PLEASE wait one month: get some test to run with your deca and for that month you wait, eat 7000 calories/day with a goal of 300 grams of protien.
Dude, you sound like an impulsive ass who is going to f**k himself up and then blame roids. Seriously, this board is here to help but it's impulsive kids doing shots without any knowledge that gets the Congress' panties in a wad and on the banned wagon "I just made that pun up som nobody else use it!)

See what happens when you eat eight meals a day and actually give your body the protien it needs to grow. 2 eggs...I can't believe you said that. that's 12 grams of protien!

Finally, you are not 170. PERIOD. You were not 240. Period. You are a boy: you're impulsive nature and refusal to accept good advice proves a childlike mentality.

exactly. if you do not eat right (especially the way this fool is...8 grams protein in the morning, no lunch???), you will not only not gain, but its possible that youd even lose muscle. even if you are on deca, you will not gain ANYTHING if you eat like this

[lowstace]

dude u sound like a weak rich kid with to much money,and time on your hands....you should be able to put on lots of mass..if you worked out hard.......I would love to have had as my cellmate when I was locked up....Icould have had fun

[Tren Bull]

dude u sound like a weak rich kid with to much money,and time on your hands....you should be able to put on lots of mass..if you worked out hard.......I would love to have had as my cellmate when I was locked up....Icould have had fun

HAHA

[sp9]

I would feel bad giving you any advice to run a cycle, you should lift naturally and get your diet in order for the next 3-4 years minimum before you use drugs that could impact your body's abiltity to produce it's own testosterone for the rest of your life.

[lowstace]

Trenbull your a good guy 4 helping him out dude I wish I was a better person

[Tren Bull]

Trenbull your a good guy 4 helping him out dude I wish I was a better person

haha thats funny. the way i look at it, we were all newbs at one point. besides, this guy is gonna run gear regardless of if we think its a good idea or not... he might as well know what hes doing.

[sp9]

haha thats funny. the way i look at it, we were all newbs at one point. besides, this guy is gonna run gear regardless of if we think its a good idea or not... he might as well know what hes doing.

I understand your logic, and you are relatively young yourself. It just makes me sick to see a teenager introduce these drugs for cosmetic reasons when they have teh highest natural test levels that they will ever have going forward.

I am glad I was a newb at 32. I hated my skinny body for many years from 14 to 25...I still avoided drug use. I started lifting at 15 years old and have been doing it consistently for over 20 years. Diet getting better every year.

This is like recomending a freaking teenager get lipo or a boob job to feel better about themselves. Makes me sick.

[Tren Bull]

yea, guys are using roids at very young ages now. my best friend started in the game when he was 14, maybe younger.

[Kale]

Have a read of this mate, it will help with some questions

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php...hlight=starter

[Newmansmen]

So should I use all my clen during the pct? Or use it n sync with the deca towards the end of the deca cycle?

[Kale]

So should I use all my clen during the pct? Or use it n sync with the deca towards the end of the deca cycle?

Use it for PCT

[Newmansmen]

Use it for PCT

Any reccomended doses?

[Kale]

Any reccomended doses?

Seriously, read this and take the advice in it !!!

Clenbuterol handbook
CLENBUTERAL FAQ: EVERYTHING YOU
NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT CLENBUTEROL
by BigAndy69

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adren****e. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day

[Tren Bull]

dont run the clen while you're on deca... wait about 3-4 days after your last shot of deca to start with the clen. just so you know, its important to slowly work your way up in dose with clen. on the first day take 30 mgs, on the second day take 60 mgs. on the third day, take 90 mgs, then on the fourth day take 125 mgs and stay with that dose for about 2 months. if you immediately take 125 mgs, you will start trippin... literally you will be halucinating, and you might have a heart attack (not likely, but still a possibility)

[Newmansmen]

Also using exactly the same cycle i first stated i read a "review of the cycle" and looks like good results..

This cycle was kick butt. I Was a little scared when I first ordered, but about 10 days later there it was. Did the cycle like it said. Before I got started I weighed 175lbs with a body fat of 26%. During the cycle my max weight was around 195 towards the end of the cycle. I was eating tons of protien every 2 hours or so.
I followed this cycle with cytomel and after 2 weeks on it I weighed about 187lbs and My body Fat was at 16%. Also I gained almost 2 full inches on my arms. This is the best, most athletic, I have ever looked in my life. Well worth the Money!

[Newmansmen]

WoW.. hmm that seems to controdict what me and tren bull have been putting together.

[Kale]

Only the doses, and believe me you want to start of low and not jump up to quick. I know a guy who is almost twice as big as you and he cant tolerate more than 40mcg.

[Geodogg]

deca with no test!?
you don't know jack shit about AAS. or PCT.
there is not one thing about you that says your ready to do it.
when you fvck your self up don't blame AAS.

by the way there is no fvcking way you are 170 in that pic. I weigh 170 and i am WAY WAY bigger then you.

[diezell]

yeah i think this is someone on the board playing a joke, i hope so atleast.

[Kale]

Bro if you did some research you would understand why people are rideing you. We are trying sto stop you from doing something that you may regret. But I will stay out of this thread from now on. !

[Tren Bull]

no, dont run the clen while your cycling the deca, use it during pct for about 2 months

[Hellmaskbanned]

I'm surprised nobody has hit him with the height issue.

Forget about growing more inches bud, your stuck at that height for good now!

Who cares if he's 18 or 33yrs old. It would still be a bad idea to juice at his condition, but oh well.

Make a cycle log , I would like to see your progress. Add some after pictures, I bet many here would like to see that.

[Tren Bull]

as i said before... DO NOT RUN THE CLEN WHILE YOU ARE ON CYCLE, save it for pct. whoever wrote that cycle review obviously has no idea what the hell he is doing... deca only cycle and running clen at the same time? thats fu_kin ridiculous. anyway, good luck with this cycle, if you eat alot, train hard and get enough rest, you will make some noticable gains. but you have to stay with it once you finish your cycle... be stubborn and determined. if you do that and eat 40 grams of protein every three hours, you will keep alot and eventually youl reach your goals. and btw, get some clomid asap, it is essential that you take it during pct, or else you will lose all your gains... maybe even end up smaller than you were before... dont let this happen.

[Tren Bull]

btw, it looks like your deca vial has no cover over the rubber part (where you stick the needle). i hope you took that off yourself, cause its not a good sign if it came like that.

[Newmansmen]

btw, it looks like your deca vial has no cover over the rubber part (where you stick the needle). i hope you took that off yourself, cause its not a good sign if it came like that.

Ya i took it off earlier.. Just wanted to check for the emblem..

Thats not the only needle! I have several and change the actual needle for pulling the deca and then change it out with a fresh one.

I went and bought some protein ice and protein bars..

Protein bars more for the carbs (they only have 12 grams of protein)
Protein Ice is a drink- 40 grams of protein a serving..

And im about to fix up a mess of eggs for dinner with a tuna salad and some crackers for carbs..

Im changing! I am and i will get some of that clomid for the pct..

[diezell]

i really hope thats not his only needle too, this has bad written all over it

[Newmansmen]

Also! Has anyone used Cytomel? (or T4 L-Thyroxine) I know it mess's with the levels of the thyroid and causes your thyroid to get all funky..

When should i incorporate this into my cycle..

lol ANOTHER Question..

Seeing as i did buy these off the net.. Should i notice somethings(like physical effects on body) that would indicate that i have legit stuff?

[Tren Bull]

deca can cause pretty drastic water retention, but not always. its possible (although very rare) that the progesterone and the prolactin that aromatized from the deca will cause you to lactate.

[Newmansmen]

deca can cause pretty drastic water retention, but not always. its possible (although very rare) that the progesterone and the prolactin that aromatized from the deca will cause you to lactate.

Wow i cant help but laugh at that.. Lactate? lol

Okay im on top of water and already have a gallon in me today! Will keeping sodium down and water intake up help? or is it kinda inevitable?

[FLBMWMech]

Also! Has anyone used Cytomel? (or T4 L-Thyroxine) I know it mess's with the levels of the thyroid and causes your thyroid to get all funky..

When should i incorporate this into my cycle..

lol ANOTHER Question..

Seeing as i did buy these off the net.. Should i notice somethings(like physical effects on body) that would indicate that i have legit stuff?

Dude... You're too f*ckin hard headed for your own good--- you dont listen to advice of people who have cycled MANY times, you ignore the fact that your first cycle is poorly structured and underdosed, you dont have any anti-estrogen agents, AND you look like a 6th grader.
Giving you any kind of thyroid hormone is flat out DANGEROUS. Way more so than AAS. Simply because you won't respect the drug. Its not that you dont want to, you're just too stupid, and have limited mental capacity at your age.
I hate to start name calling.. but with 91 damned posts telling you how to run your first cycle and put on real gains that you can be proud of... all you can say is "Im shooting (a very small amnt) of Deca solo... how do I use this cy-to-mel stuff?)

[Grappler13]

Dude... You're too f*ckin hard headed for your own good--- you dont listen to advice of people who have cycled MANY times, you ignore the fact that your first cycle is poorly structured and underdosed, you dont have any anti-estrogen agents, AND you look like a 6th grader.
Giving you any kind of thyroid hormone is flat out DANGEROUS. Way more so than AAS. Simply because you won't respect the drug. Its not that you dont want to, you're just too stupid, and have limited mental capacity at your age.
I hate to start name calling.. but with 91 damned posts telling you how to run your first cycle and put on real gains that you can be proud of... all you can say is "Im shooting (a very small amnt) of Deca solo... how do I use this cy-to-mel stuff?)

We tried. Let's close this post. It's probably a fake anyway. 170lbs ROFL.
Doesn't get carded: I'd card him for cigs.

[sooners04]

What about anti-e's? You'll need them throughout the cycle (if thats what you want to call it). I suggest saving for some Testosterone and doing some more research on this site. Good Luck

[Remington]

FLBM---why are you wasting your time? His question is a JOKE!!
This "kid" isnt serious. Total fraud. The MODs should remove this thread before a REAL underage kid reads it and actually tries some of what this moron is posting.
Dood--do us a favor---leave. Or at least stop.
This site is a tool for those of us with SERIOUS questions.
Im happy I found this site---DONT RUIN IT!

[Newmansmen]

As much as i HATE to ask you all another question..

But i am having what i would describe as "hot flashes" get really hot and feel like im radiating heat.. Bad thing? Normal thing?

Some of you will be proud to know that i have already gotten in 224 grams of protein today and still havn't had dinner (cooking some chicken right now)
But it went like this..
I had 6 eggs (only 1 was whole) 36
3 protein ice drinks 120
3 protein bars 36
1 can of tuna 32

SO you will be seeing results and I will have before and after pics! I have been eating a lot of little crap too like crackers and toast and oatmeal. Plus i've been working out 3 + hours doing some cardio and checking pulse regulary to make sure im not over 135..

[Tren Bull]

being as you are trying to bulk, it would be a good idea to save the cardio for after you finish your cycle, or at least the last week of it. btw, hotflashes are normal, so is drastically increased heart rate and insomnia

[Newmansmen]

being as you are trying to bulk, it would be a good idea to save the cardio for after you finish your cycle, or at least the last week of it. btw, hotflashes are normal, so is drastically increased heart rate and insomnia

Thanks Tren Bull! Good to know, the hot flashes were starting to get me paranoid.. And the heart rate i havn't noticed going up (yet).. But this is re-assuring, lets me know i got good shit-

[legobricks]

Thanks Tren Bull! Good to know, the hot flashes were starting to get me paranoid.. And the heart rate i havn't noticed going up (yet).. But this is re-assuring, lets me know i got good shit-

dude, you are going to really f*ck with your body in a bad way. See this is why steroids were banned in the first place becuase of f*cktards like yourself. Go eat a "bucket o' dicks" and workout with that. better yet, have one of your whoes give you a golden shower cus thats the ONLY sex youll be having after this cycle. HAHA, good luck with that bro! And on top of that, YOU ARE F*CKIN TO SKINNY to juice. Period. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO BASE!!! God, you heard what we are saying by doing it natural for a little while, and you ignored it. You heard what we were saying about going with JUST test for a first cycle and you ignored it. Ignorance will kill you in the end. Sorry to see this happen.

[Kale]

Holy F uck !!!!! My Eyes !!! My Eyes !!!!

[Newmansmen]

Holy F uck !!!!! My eyes !!! My Eyes !!!!

Ohh shut up! Should't you have a dick up your ass right now? lol