aie... That's unfortunate you look at life like that brotha... It's not that bad out here... it could be worse.Originally Posted by Tren Bull
Thanks for the clomid info though!
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aie... That's unfortunate you look at life like that brotha... It's not that bad out here... it could be worse.
Thanks for the clomid info though!
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like i said about the clomid, thats only a rumor i heard. i dont know if its actually true or not.
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I hope not!
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I hope not!
yea me too, that would suck
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The only thing I worry about is longterm mental and cardiovascular issues from steroids.
It increases homocystein values alot, something that seems to be neglected by bodybuilders? Everyone talks about cholesterol but I rarely ever hear anyone mention homocystein.
Luckily I have very low cholesterol so I dont have to worry about that, same with bloodpressure and the homocystein I take care of with b vitamins.
Almost everyone I know off that has been juicing for a long time has mental problems though. The hard part is knowing if juice caused it or if its just because people that take juice are more prone to beeing half nutty from the begining(lets face it. The majority of bodybuilders aint right in the head)
What I DO think is dangerous is all the shit that goes hand in hand with the steroids. Clen, ephedra and the list goes on.
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The only thing I worry about is longterm mental and cardiovascular issues from steroids.
Luckily I have very low cholesterol so I dont have to worry about that, same with bloodpressure.
Almost everyone I know off that has been juicing for a long time has mental problems though. The hard part is knowing if juice caused it or if its just because people that take juice are more prone to beeing half nutty from the begining(lets face it. The majority of bodybuilders aint right in the head
What I DO think is dangerous is all the shit that goes hand in hand with the steroids. Clen, ephedra and the list goes on.
yea thats for sure. clen is pretty bad for your heart
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you're absolutely right in regards to mental problems. It is the toughest one to beat in my books. I've seen people go nuts and can't even recognize themselves in the mirror from abusing gear. Very unfortunate.The only thing I worry about is longterm mental and cardiovascular issues from steroids.
It increases homocystein values alot, something that seems to be neglected by bodybuilders? Everyone talks about cholesterol but I rarely ever hear anyone mention homocystein.
Luckily I have very low cholesterol so I dont have to worry about that, same with bloodpressure and the homocystein I take care of with b vitamins.
Almost everyone I know off that has been juicing for a long time has mental problems though. The hard part is knowing if juice caused it or if its just because people that take juice are more prone to beeing half nutty from the begining(lets face it. The majority of bodybuilders aint right in the head
What I DO think is dangerous is all the shit that goes hand in hand with the steroids. Clen, ephedra and the list goes on.
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I wonder how comon juice related mental problems are. Looking in the gyms make it seem alot more comon than browsing this board.
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Looking around society mental related problems are everywhere..
Everyone seems to have an issue.. we are just looking for something to blame them on or associate them too
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That is true. Seems like every other dude and chick nowdays are eating ssri or benzos to be able to handle stress, depressions, anxiety ect.
But steroids sure do effect the mind. I dont think anyone has ever done any real studies on long term mental effects from using steroids.
Tren for instance triggered anxiety attacks in my friend. Never before had he ever had a anxiety/panic attack. But when he ran tren he got one and hes been struggling ever since with them flaring up every now and then. So the tren defenetly triggered it and they keept on coming even after ditching tren.
It seem like steroids can trigger mental conditions and when once triggered they wont disapere. Maby they where below the surface all the time just waiting to break through. But steroids sure seem to play a part in it.
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Here are the problems that are real that concern me:
Gyno-already have a little bit, but only from ignorance (guess im gyno prone anyway)
Hairloss-already have some. Hopefully all these meds im using work for that
Infirtility-worried about it. I think as long as I never do any long term cycles or heavier doses than I need I shouldn't be worried. Oh, and of course correct pct
High blood pressure/cholesterol/liver values-Worried what can be the long term effects of increasing all of these on cycle
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Infertility... glad you brought that up... anyone have any stats on that? I have never heard "of it" happening, only read media scares... I would like to know more. My understanding is the HPTA being effected or damaged from abuse... but what kind of abuse... actually, I really don't know much about this at all... please comment.
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Steroids are bad for you when taken wrongly i.e. excessively as is alcohol, caffine, rice, sleep, sex, etc......Excess breeds problems. To paint AAS as "Bad for you" is short sighted but they are admittedly risky (especially with the current regulatory scheme that keeps us guessing about the quality/ doses of gear.
Personally, I think that steroids are a potential fountain of youth for males when cycled correctly but the public opinion is set against it now. We really need athletes to come clean about their AAS usage and have the laws changed where we can get them human grade and certified. If we choose to overdo it, then It's like an achoholic that overdose it although at least he can be asured that his poison is not brewed in a bathtub.
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I argee for the most part on mizfits beliefs and ideas.
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yeah me too.....but once again justin's avatar is keeping me from forming complex sentences
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shes hot but u gotta concetrate dude.. i can provide some images that will scare you till way in to tommrow if necessary
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tomorrow sounds good. lets see these pics..........?
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Society is just looking for a place to blame..
Steroids makes ppl stronger.. Makes some things easier for some.. But just as with everything there is risk and reward.. But you can't say there isn’t some risk reward with other drugs and other things we do in life.
I have ADHD and made the choice to take Ritalin to deal with it about a year ago.. My life has change.. There are benefits and there are disadvantages that i must live with because of that choice.. But it is a choice and something i am willing to live with because i have done the research.
I guess I look at people taking steroids in the same way, and yes i have done my roid research too, because I have dated guys who have done gear and particularily have dated a guy who did gear adn had diabetes.. so it was a big concern...
Some people take them to feel better about themselves. Not just to be stronger but because it does a lot more than that. As long as you know the risk. You educate yourself and you make sure to monitor your health, Regardless of what kind of medication you take, whether it be doctor prescribed or self prescribed - as long as it's taken in moderation and the benefits out weight the risk - whose it really hurting?
Depression, obesity, unhappiness and just plain desperation is overtaking society and if you can find something to at least find some kind of inner happiness - I say go for it.
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Society is just looking for a place to blame..
Steroids makes ppl stronger.. Makes some things easier for some.. But just as with everything there is risk and reward.. But you can't say there isn’t some risk reward with other drugs and other things we do in life.
I have ADHD and made the choice to take Ritalin to deal with it about a year ago.. My life has change.. There are benefits and there are disadvantages that i must live with because of that choice.. But it is a choice and something i am willing to live with because i have done the research.
I guess I look at people taking steroids in the same way, and yes i have done my roid research too, because I have dated guys who have done gear and particularily have dated a guy who did gear adn had diabetes.. so it was a big concern...
Some people take them to feel better about themselves. Not just to be stronger but because it does a lot more than that. As long as you know the risk. You educate yourself and you make sure to monitor your health, Regardless of what kind of medication you take, whether it be doctor prescribed or self prescribed - as long as it's taken in moderation and the benefits out weight the risk - whose it really hurting?
Depression, obesity, unhappiness and just plain desperation is overtaking society and if you can find something to at least find some kind of inner happiness - I say go for it.
I agree with everything you write here. I think though that justins point in creating this thread might be that even though the media exagerates the risk of steroids maby we the users ignore them.
They are not as dangerous as the media claim that is for sure. But are they realy as safe as we like to belive??
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We all just nuts looking for a place to crack
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We all just nuts looking for a place to crack
dont talk about nutcracking here you will scare away the freak in my sig
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I don't got nuts.. but i like to lookdont talk about nutcracking here you will scare away the freak in my sig
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I think a massive dose of steroids is less hazardous on ones health than a tiny dose of mizfit
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cant stress it enough.. USE NOT ABUSE!
the media blows everything out of proportion times 10!
and like mentioned before how about all the people including teens who smoke and drink daily! I dont understand some aspects of society..
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Everything is bad for you if abused so it really depends on the person taking them....for instance "Spoons didnt make Rosey Odonnel Fat"...
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taking a fitness class tought my a very smart dr. who brought in an endocrinologist. teach is 49 started lifting when he was 17 and has seen crazy things like men lactating from their nipples and ppl injecting motor oil into thier ass. for 1 1/2 hours they talked about steroids trying to be as unbiased as possible, first covering the amazing gains you get and how steroid users believe that once a pct brings back thier test levels to normal that it will stay that way.
i hear many ppl refer to things on here as "myths" like the "roid rage".
like ppl made this shit up, they didnt, its REAL. and some ppl suffer serious aggression, depression, and anxiety on and off cycles.
main conclusion they came to was that if your willing to sacrifice your physical and emotional health to feed societies perception of the perfect image (or w/e your motivation) that most ppl who use steroids frequently in the long run quit lifting a lot sooner than the ones who are natural, cause at some point after all the shit you've subjected your endocrine system to, it says you know what asshole, im gonna drop your test levels cause im tired of producing test after all the shit you've put me through (this is real) and many steroid users eventually quit lifting all together. Just what ive learned whether wrong or right.
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I remember reading 2 studies that has shown that roid rage is a myth. The test subjects where given 500mg test/week for I think it was 10 weeks and did not show any sign of increased agression. So atleast testosterone doesnt do a thing to agression in sane dosages.
I can se some truth in roiders qutting earlier. Because many of those that juice is 100% dedicated. But its almost impossible to stay that dedicated for years and years and when the dedication is gone I think its easy to almost stop workingout completely.
Someone that just workouts for fun naturaly would probably continue for a very long time.
its like a bright candle burns out quicker.
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haha theres a quote on the net .. it says, "There is no such thing as "roid-rage." It is a myth! If there is an asshole inside you, sure testosterone may bring it out even more. "
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