Anadrol -- Small Guys

[geobatman]

Can I ask what your diet looks like?
Your Ectomorph who doesnt eat enough. It looks like your serious about your weight training.

For the sole fact that your afraid of needles means that your stuck with orals. Orals only blow ass unless you can afford anavar (the only oral worth while). Anavar is as pricey as it gets unless you want to make your own capsules (but then you run into legitimacy issues).

Options:
1. anavar only cycle (with pct) WHILE severly increasing cals
2. Massive bulk.

Don't bother with winny only, or turinabol only or oral primo only. Option 2 will save you alot of dough.

What people sometimes forget is that although you only put on 5-10lbs during an anavar only cycle...your strength jumps. So when your done your cycle, you take this new strength with you which with the addition of a bulk.......can put on some serious mass.

[Silk22]

i am just restating what a lot of people have said. need test in there for a first cycle to be satisfied with the results. in my opinion.

[LOKITSC]

Great advice. I'll get over the needle-phobia and run 12 weeks of Test Cyp. (only need to inject once a week, right? I can manage that). I'm really disappointed by the Anadrol retention described in this thread. I had hoped to make sizable strength and weight gains. Anyway, I've altered my diet and, most importantly, stopped all cardio. I've seen some weight/strenght gains since I stopped jogging (was at about 20 miles per week).

GeoBatman, my diet looks like this: Calorie intake is between 4K and 5k (weight gainer 2200, divided into three shakes throughout the day). I also take 6 creatine capsules, two after each big meal. Protien intake between 150 and 200 (three egg whites per day, at least one meat dish -- fish, chicken, sometimes beef -- at least one yogurt, one cottage cheese, and BPJ as a filler. Complex Carbs include oatmeal everyday, granola bar, and either rice or pasta. I try to eat six meals a day.

Proposed Cycle:
Anadrol-50 Jump Start for 4 weeks + 12 Weeks Test Cyp (I've heard it's more potent than Test-e) + PTC --Clem 20mg + Nov.

GOAL: Gain 20 lb and keep my body weight there. I'm hoping to only run one cycle, make progress towards 200lb as a stable body weight and get my bench close to 400lb by fall. (most I've maxed is 345 at a body weight of 180lb).

Thanks guys.

[geobatman]

Great advice. I'll get over the needle-phobia and run 12 weeks of Test Cyp. (only need to inject once a week, right? I can manage that). I'm really disappointed by the Anadrol retention described in this thread. I had hoped to make sizable strength and weight gains. Anyway, I've altered my diet and, most importantly, stopped all cardio. I've seen some weight/strenght gains since I stopped jogging (was at about 20 miles per week).

GeoBatman, my diet looks like this: Calorie intake is between 4K and 5k (weight gainer 2200, divided into three shakes throughout the day). I also take 6 creatine capsules, two after each big meal. Protien intake between 150 and 200 (three egg whites per day, at least one meat dish -- fish, chicken, sometimes beef -- at least one yogurt, one cottage cheese, and BPJ as a filler. Complex Carbs include oatmeal everyday, granola bar, and either rice or pasta. I try to eat six meals a day.

Proposed Cycle:
Anadrol-50 Jump Start for 4 weeks + 12 Weeks Test Cyp (I've heard it's more potent than Test-e) + PTC --Clem 20mg + Nov.

GOAL: Gain 20 lb and keep my body weight there. I'm hoping to only run one cycle, make progress towards 200lb as a stable body weight and get my bench close to 400lb by fall. (most I've maxed is 345 at a body weight of 180lb).

Thanks guys.

I'm glad to see your not an idiot when it comes to nutrition. I do believe you can manage another 2000 cals. While I don't agree eating junk is a good way to increase cals, realize you can afford to eat 'dirtier' than alot of people. Don't be afraid to eat an extra serving of dinner etc. Wheres your fruit? Vegetables?

Stopping cardio while trying to put on weight is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. The health benefits of cardio FAR outweigh any decrease in size you'd see. Cardio should be staple if your trying to gain weight, lose weight or maintain. How you do your cardio determines the effect it will have on your body.

Your lifts are extremely impressive for someone weighing 175.

short term goals:
increase your cals, get a multivitamin (you didnt mention it), add some fruits and veges.

long terms goals:
seriously consider running test over 3 months. or anavar over 2 months. Get extensive pre and post blood work as poster above mentioned.

var for strength
or
test for mass

both will be of quality gains.

[fudgedelic]

Great advice. I'll get over the needle-phobia and run 12 weeks of Test Cyp. (only need to inject once a week, right? I can manage that). I'm really disappointed by the Anadrol retention described in this thread. I had hoped to make sizable strength and weight gains. Anyway, I've altered my diet and, most importantly, stopped all cardio. I've seen some weight/strenght gains since I stopped jogging (was at about 20 miles per week).

GeoBatman, my diet looks like this: Calorie intake is between 4K and 5k (weight gainer 2200, divided into three shakes throughout the day). I also take 6 creatine capsules, two after each big meal. Protien intake between 150 and 200 (three egg whites per day, at least one meat dish -- fish, chicken, sometimes beef -- at least one yogurt, one cottage cheese, and BPJ as a filler. Complex Carbs include oatmeal everyday, granola bar, and either rice or pasta. I try to eat six meals a day.

Proposed Cycle:
Anadrol-50 Jump Start for 4 weeks + 12 Weeks Test Cyp (I've heard it's more potent than Test-e) + PTC --Clem 20mg + Nov.

GOAL: Gain 20 lb and keep my body weight there. I'm hoping to only run one cycle, make progress towards 200lb as a stable body weight and get my bench close to 400lb by fall. (most I've maxed is 345 at a body weight of 180lb).

Thanks guys.

Personally i'd say drop the drol, no need for it in your first cycle imo. If you wanna jump start it, jump it with dbol, dbol gives you that fuzzy feeling too Also inject twice per week, i know you're scared of needles at right now, i was freaked too. Then i did my first, went in before i even knew it and i just thought wow that's it? As long as you swap for a sharp needle it goes in like butter, painless. Now i know myself and a lot of guys prolly agree with this, i can't wait til my next injection, it's satisfying.

[LOKITSC]

I just figured out that there are two pages of posts LOL...thanks for all the responses. Seems to be a division of opinion on running Drol even with Test. Actually, most posts seem to discourage running DROL, period. I've already ordered 40 tabs of 100 mg Drol from Thia British Dragon. I also ordered 12 vials of 250mg of Test E and 40 tabs of Nova. Not sure if this source is legit. If it is, then I'm going to double the Test E so that I can run 500mg Test E for 12 weeks with the Drol probably just do 50mg for four weeks. (needles suck but sounds like one adjusts to it) From all the impute, I guess I should do one of the following:

A. 12 Weeks Test E 500mg (no Drol)
2 Weeks PTC Nova 20mg
or
B. Weeks 1-4 Drol 50m (I'd like to do the full 100mg but will refrain)
Weeks 1-12 500 mg Test
Weeks 12-16 Nova 20mg

Also, I've gained weight and strength since I stopped running but I realize I should probably do some cardio so will likely just reduce runs to 3 miles 3X a week (Down form 5-7 mile 4X a week).

Goal: 20lb LBM, Reps 315 Bench, Reps 365 Squat.

Thanks again.

[mr. snakes]

I just figured out that there are two pages of posts LOL...thanks for all the responses. Seems to be a division of opinion on running Drol even with Test. Actually, most posts seem to discourage running DROL, period. I've already ordered 40 tabs of 100 mg Drol from Thia British Dragon. I also ordered 12 vials of 250mg of Test E and 40 tabs of Nova. Not sure if this source is legit. If it is, then I'm going to double the Test E so that I can run 500mg Test E for 12 weeks with the Drol probably just do 50mg for four weeks. (needles suck but sounds like one adjusts to it) From all the impute, I guess I should do one of the following:

A. 12 Weeks Test E 500mg (no Drol)
2 Weeks PTC Nova 20mg
or
B. Weeks 1-4 Drol 50m (I'd like to do the full 100mg but will refrain)
Weeks 1-12 500 mg Test
Weeks 12-16 Nova 20mg

Also, I've gained weight and strength since I stopped running but I realize I should probably do some cardio so will likely just reduce runs to 3 miles 3X a week (Down form 5-7 mile 4X a week).

Goal: 20lb LBM, Reps 315 Bench, Reps 365 Squat.

Thanks again.

Go with B.

[LOKITSC]

addition to above...will use milk thistle to protect liver