LOL....
I come and offer an IDEA....
How am I tainting your board?
I am CONTRIBUTING to your board, and you should be HAPPY to have this information.
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LOL....
I come and offer an IDEA....
How am I tainting your board?
I am CONTRIBUTING to your board, and you should be HAPPY to have this information.
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you have some good ideas but its doesnt really look ideal. Running dbol at teh end of every cycle as a bridge before PCT seems unneccesary..you could just run prop like Big K up until 3 days before PCT or just suspension til the day before. I guess your idea could work, just doesn't really seem practical.
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I think you coming and giving ideas can be good for discussion/debate but I just don't like how you seem to push them on people. Leaving the idea out in the open seems like a better approach...
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Low dose d-bol as a bridge is nothing new btw so you didnt invent it. And it does cause an increase in estrogen so in turn it would have an effect of test levels
Last edited by AnabolicAndre; 04-23-2006 at 12:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by chest6
Dianaviron IS the BRIDGE, AFTER you do your PCT regimen.
You are MISUDERSTANDING the point.
You can not USE TEST PROP after you complete PCT! You CAN however, use Dianaviron.
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well i do admit that ur ideas r interesting and it is a good thing to have debates about them but yes u do seem abit arrogant in how u force ur opinion
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Proviron ELIMINATES estrogen!
And at such low doses of Dianabol, estrogen wouldn't be a problem anyway.
BUT--it is covered.
This is why Proviron works so well with DBOL.
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ok ross- how long do u propose that this BRIDGE of dianaviron b run AFTER the PCT
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I just dont understand why he always signs back up after being banned, like he has nothing better to do.
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I still dont understand WHY would one want to impact test production after he has just got it back???
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and would running the dbol at such a low dose even b effective or practical- its half life is very short and I know i for one need at least 35mgs to see results
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**HOW TO RUN THE DIANAVIRON BRIDGE**
Begin your HCG right when you discontinue your PITUITARY inhibiting compound(Test,Tren, Deca). Continue to administer an Aromatase Inhibitor for the next 6 weeks WHILE you run your MILD, fast-acting anabolic(Winstrol, Anavar, Primo).
Discontinue your Mild anabolic, and immediately begin your Dianaviron:
Dianabol: 10-20mgs ED
Proviron: 50mgs ED
**Estrogen should be ALREADY in check at this point, and your PITUITARY is FULLY recovered! Your testicles will also NOW begin to restore function, while you are bridging with Dianaviron.
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Okay, thats what I initially thought. That doesnt really sound like a good idea to me. You are still supressing your HPTA after PCT..not really needed. Thats basically just staying on for an extended period of time. I see the point of proviron by itself for added natty support but not adding another exogenic substance, whether it be suppression or total shutdown after PCT. I thought you meant this at first, I guess I misunderstood you. I'm not really for this idea. This idea has been around forever though. You just added proviron in there, which I guess is a good idea if you did do this.
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But whyyyyy???
If I have just run several compounds to fully restor HPTA function why would i want to introduce compounds back into my body to possibly affect that??
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The GOAL is to MAINTAIN all of your gains(and continue GAINING!) with a MINIMAL effect on HPTA.
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there are plenty of other options that most run between cycles and do not affect HPTA function(slin, GH, IGF) why not give the body a break?
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and how the hell is 10-20 mgs of dbol gonna help me maintain my gains???
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good call
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What compounds FULLY RESTORE HPTA function?
NONE!
Especially for chronic steroid users! These PCT regimens are not MAGIC!
Dianaviron will BARELY affect TESTOSTERONE production! And, you will be MUCH more anabolic than NTAURALLY!
The decision is a No-brainer....especially for those who CRUISE on TEST--which is NOT good.
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Not to mention that total free test levels are highest during and after PCT most make and maintain gains pretty well, there really is no need for "dianaviron" great idea in theory, but in practicality is pointless.
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Slin and HGH?
NOW we are in a whole 'nother BALLPARK.
Not my thing....too many risks.
Anabolic steroids are SAFE for Adult men--remember that--always.
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lol so ur telling me that roids like halo or cheque drops r safer then HGH??
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oK my apolagies I miss worded that, you run the compound to ATTEMPT to restore htpa function, why would you want to comprimise that?
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Then don't run it.
I will bet, that if you DO use Dianaviron AFTER/DURING your PCT, you will make great gains with NO side-effects. It makes cycling more effective...
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exactly.
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LOL
Once again, these are extremes--and NO, I do not use either of those steroids.
But I simply can not advocate HGH.
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No not another ballpark we havent left the effing stadium... these compunds dont affect my test levels and if they do it is POSITIVE, both proviron and d-bol have negative roles on natural test levels.
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Right you cycle ON the you cycle OFF.
apparently ross thinks its a good idea to never stop the cycle.
this is where your unconventional thinking flaws my friend
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Testosterone takes MONTHS to fully recover!
BOTTOM LINE--
Do a cycle, and JUST come OFF.
Run your pathetic Clomid or Nolvadex, throw in an AI, and lose ALL of your gains, thinking that just by controlling estrogen you will affect your testosterone production....
Dianabol was DESIGNED for androgen replacement. Proviron was DESIGNED for androgen therapy in men who had no libido and LOW test levels(Post-cycle).
Running the Dianaviron IN CONJUNCTION with your HCG and AI is the smarter move--if you are SERIOUS about RESTORING testosterone and MAINTAINING your gains! Testosterone takes MONTHS to fully recover!
DO NOT forget the difference between PITUITARY inhibtion and testicular inhibition.
Your run Dianaviron for 10 weeks PAST your PCT, then you simply continue running the PROVIRON BY ITSELF, until your next cycle.
YOU DO COME OFF.
Last edited by -The Ross-; 04-22-2006 at 11:38 PM.
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thread hijack- hey andre if thats your girl in ur avatar....props : )
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ok ross but tell me - how is dbol at such a low dose going to do Anything
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Yea man thanks shes a sexy little number.
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You run Dianaviron for 10 weeks PAST your PCT, then you simply continue running the PROVIRON BY ITSELF, until your next cycle.
YOU DO COME OFF.
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Blindside I dont think its supposed to its just enough of an androgen replacement to keep circulating adrogens high enough to keep the body in an anabolic state until your test levels come back to par not really for mass building
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youre an idoit. whatever man I guess ignorance is bliss.
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Ross, You have always got a good discussion going...Ive never heard of pituitary suppression does that exist??Anybody with some studies???Ross I like the way you made your post look like it was a commercial..Well thought out, even if proven false...
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ok ok i get what the dbol is used 4 but forgive me as i've never personally run proviron- wouldn't it get suppressive to natural test such as adex does after its run for periods of 5+ wks.
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Nope--Proviron is great!
It is NOT an aromatase inhibitor--it is an ANDROGEN, that also happens to FUNCTION like an AI, as it "blocks" this enzyme from converting androgens into estrogen.
Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.Related Articles, Links
Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.
Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S.
We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone, estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased. Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL. There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH. Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in T3 and increases in T3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS
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both are suppressive although very little supression comes from both orals the two combine I would only assumed would have a higher suppressing effect
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